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JeffTheAlpaca
02-22-16, 09:15 AM
:wtf:

Couldn't that money have went to a more useful cause?

I thought this was a good thing where we did not have to hear Kesha's music and I thought her 15 minutes of fame ended in 2011.


Two days after a New York judge denied Kesha a court injunction that would have allowed her to record new music outside of her record label Sony Music, Taylor Swift has agreed to give the singer $250,000.

In October 2014, Kesha sued Dr. Luke, accusing him of drugging, raping and abusing her a decade ago; Dr. Luke has denied all charges. The producer’s lawyers argued that Kesha made up the allegations as an attempt to nullify her contract with Dr. Luke and Sony. Judge Kornreich reserved to rule on a motion to dismiss the claims until Kesha's lawyers filed more evidence on the alleged abuse.

“In a show of support, Taylor Swift has donated $250,000 to Kesha to help with any of her financial needs during this trying time,” a spokesperson for Swift wrote in a statement.

Swift is the latest singer to show support for Kesha after the trial, with Lady Gaga, Lorde, Grimes, Lily Allen and Kelly Clarkson among those who have taken to Twitter to publicly back the singer.

“There are people all over the world who love you Kesha,” Gaga wrote. "And I can say truly I am in awe of your bravery.“

“Standing with Kesha through this traumatic, deeply unfair time,” added Lorde. “Send good vibes her way, everyone.”

Over the weekend, Demi Lovato wrote a series of tweets supporting Kesha and exemplifying women empowerment.

https://www.yahoo.com/music/taylor-swift-donates-250-000-kesha-court-ruling-051300130-rolling-stone.html

http://img.ccrd.clearchannel.com/media/mlib/2135/2016/02/default/taylor_swift_kesha_0_1456097656.jpg

Mikael79
02-22-16, 09:42 AM
:wtf:

Couldn't that money have went to a more useful cause?
Look at Taylor Swift's face - does it look like she has an operational mind?

astrochimp
02-22-16, 09:51 AM
Girl power!

Dan
02-22-16, 10:07 AM
I'm not a fan of Kesha*, but Sony should do the right thing and just end her contract and let her move on.

The whole situation is ugly.


*she did a few things with The Flaming Lips that I enjoyed, so maybe I should give her another chance?

davidh777
02-22-16, 10:28 AM
Couldn't that money have went to a more useful cause?

Taylor Swift is making money hand over fist and donates to a ton of different things. Last year she randomly gave the Seattle Symphony $50K because she happened to hear a piece by them that reminded her of going to symphony concerts with her grandmother. Plus we know from the Spotify issue that she's big on artists' rights.

Groucho
02-22-16, 10:49 AM
I love the outrage about this. If this were, say, Paul Stanley, giving $250,000 to Vince Neil we'd be on page 3 right now with everybody declaring what a hero he was.

Why So Blu?
02-22-16, 10:53 AM
One thing I know about Taylor Swift is that everything she does that puts her in the limelight is a calculated business move to make her brand even more popular.

I do think it's BS that the judge said that Kesha cannot be released from her contract and calls into question whether Kesha was abused or not.

davidh777
02-22-16, 11:13 AM
One thing I know about Taylor Swift is that everything she does that puts her in the limelight is a calculated business move to make her brand even more popular.

That may be true, but I'll take that over all the thoughtless moves by other celebrities.

TomOpus
02-22-16, 11:26 AM
It's her money and this is like pocket change to her.

Dan
02-22-16, 11:35 AM
One thing I know about Taylor Swift is that everything she does that puts her in the limelight is a calculated business move to make her brand even more popular.
:up: absolutely. She's the Gene Simmons of pop-country. :) But that doesn't mean it's a bad thing, in this case.

I do think it's BS that the judge said that Kesha cannot be released from her contract and calls into question whether Kesha was abused or not.
Agreed.

Hokeyboy
02-22-16, 12:01 PM
I love the "outrage" over her donating money to Kesha... as if she hasn't contributed millions elsewhere.

I'd also love to see the 2015 charitable contributions from the loudest complainers.

Josh-da-man
02-22-16, 12:46 PM
I love the outrage about this. If this were, say, Paul Stanley, giving $250,000 to Vince Neil we'd be on page 3 right now with everybody declaring what a hero he was.

You obviously don't spend much time around heavy metal fans. :lol:

DVD Josh
02-22-16, 01:17 PM
I do think it's BS that the judge said that Kesha cannot be released from her contract and calls into question whether Kesha was abused or not.

The facts call into question whether she was abused or not. Much of this story appears to be manufactured b/w Kesha and her mother. But I wasn't there, so I don't know. A jury will decide that question.

maxfisher
02-22-16, 04:30 PM
With all the things we can criticize celebrities for, it's good to see we're not overlooking the little things, like instances of them being kind to one another. The fact that the larger issue involves taking a stand against the sexual abuse of women is just a bonus. Kudos for finding and posting an unflattering picture of the woman claiming the abuse.

banthafett
02-22-16, 06:27 PM
I love the outrage about this. If this were, say, Paul Stanley, giving $250,000 to Vince Neil we'd be on page 3 right now with everybody declaring what a hero he was.

Three pages of great jokes about it being hush for something. (Gay)

JeffTheAlpaca
02-22-16, 06:29 PM
I love the outrage about this. If this were, say, Paul Stanley, giving $250,000 to Vince Neil we'd be on page 3 right now with everybody declaring what a hero he was.

LOL at least Vince Neil has or had talent.

So you would give $250,000 to somebody who did this song?

I bet LMFAO wish they received this donation to restart their career lol

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Jason
02-22-16, 06:32 PM
isn't Kanye begging for money? He should totally hit her up for some scratch!

Mabuse
02-22-16, 08:08 PM
I like that Your Love Is My Drug song. Great hook. I didn't know anything about this situation. Hope she comes out a winner. Record companies treat artists like shit.

Mabuse
02-22-16, 09:35 PM
BTW, I thought it was Ke$ha. Maybe she took out the dollar sign because she's broke. Zing!

Supermallet
02-22-16, 10:04 PM
LOL at least Vince Neil has or had talent.

So you would give $250,000 to somebody who did this song?

I bet LMFAO wish they received this donation to restart their career lol

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/CFWX0hWCbng" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Given that the issue here is potential rape and sexual abuse, I don't see what talent or lack thereof has to do with it.

hal9000
02-23-16, 02:37 AM
I wouldn't mind fucking either one of them... at the same time would be a bonus! What... too soon?

Thrush
02-23-16, 09:51 AM
Given that the issue here is potential rape and sexual abuse, I don't see what talent or lack thereof has to do with it.

A shitty song about children dying in Guatemala is still a shitty song.

Also notsureifserious.

DVD Josh
02-23-16, 10:30 AM
Kudos for finding and posting an unflattering
picture of the woman claiming the abuse.

In fairness to the poster, the ratio of unflattering pictures of Ke$ha to flattering ones is about 10000:1. This is the best I could find, really:

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Entertainment/GTY_kesha_jtm_140626_16x9_992.jpg

She's just not all that pretty. Doesn't mean she's lying, doesn't mean she wasn't raped, just to preempt all of those stupid arguments.

Ropes Pierre
02-23-16, 10:45 AM
Given that the issue here is potential rape and sexual abuse, I don't see what talent or lack thereof has to do with it.

if raped women want sympathy they apparently need to put out thought provoking music and write insightful lyrics.

if tom waits raped leonard cohen, we would be on page three by now.

#ke$halivesmatter

Hokeyboy
02-23-16, 11:09 AM
if tom waits raped leonard cohen, we would be on page three by now.
Absolutely sublime.

majorjoe23
02-23-16, 01:31 PM
if raped women want sympathy they apparently need to put out thought provoking music and write insightful lyrics.

if tom waits raped leonard cohen, we would be on page three by now.

#ke$halivesmatter

That would be a very raspy rape.

CRM114
02-23-16, 03:41 PM
Wait a minute. Why does this lawsuit mean Kesha has no money? According to wikipedia:

"As of February 2016, she has reportedly sold over 33 million records (albums, tracks, and ringtones) in the United States and 60 million records worldwide.[4][5]"

She also had a TV show and probably makes millions in live gigs. Why am I feeling sorry for her? Sure, I feel sorry that she was allegedly sexually abused but how does that translate to blowing all your money?

And, Dr. Luke. :lol: Is he an MD?

By the way, Kesha is a very intelligent person. "After attaining a near-perfect score on her SATs, she was offered a full scholarship at Barnard College."

(Full disclosure: the only knowledge I have of Kesha's music is her work with The Flaming Lips.)

GuessWho
02-23-16, 04:22 PM
And, Dr. Luke. :lol: Is he an MD?Same med school as Dr John, Dr Hook and Dr Dre

ntnon
02-23-16, 05:38 PM
:wtf:

Couldn't that money have went to a more useful cause?
Yes.

But this move isn't about money - arguably the money is just to give reporters a story... so they'll cover the actual story: artists' rights to record their own music.

Side tangent The focus on the money reminds me a lot of when OK! or Hello gave Catherine Zeta Jones fifty thousand pounds to exclusively photograph her wedding. And when criticised for 'selling the rights to her wedding', she said "that kind of money doesn't matter to me/us"... for which she got even more flak.

The point/real story was that a magazine offered her an mount of money that wasn't life-changing to her, to do something that didn't matter much. And then she donated this free money to charity. The focus on selling out and then on being out-of-touch were the media stirring stuff up to mock a celebrity.

Here, a famous person is showing (monetary) support for a friend/colleague who has been seen to be unfairly treated by at least one person/company. By doing so, she's drawing attention - again - to the state of the industry, and it's treatment of (female) artists.

Celebrities using their clout and coverage* to shine a light into dirty corners is a good thing.


*And/or vast amounts of money, resulting in more coverage.

Supermallet
02-23-16, 08:56 PM
A shitty song about children dying in Guatemala is still a shitty song.

Also notsureifserious.

I'm completely serious. A lot of people have taken this issue as an excuse to mock and deride Kesha, which not incidentally is the sort of treatment a lot of rape and sexual abuse victims receive. If this were not a celebrity, but just a woman whose boss took sexual advantage of her, would you deem it appropriate to dismiss her by saying that she wasn't very good at her job anyway, so it's not like it mattered?

This isn't the only place I've seen this sort of response. People on the Steve Hoffman Forums were saying that now she's damaged goods so no one will want to listen to her anymore. It's absolutely mind-blowing how misogynistic and puerile people can be. And that includes the OP.

Hokeyboy
02-23-16, 10:49 PM
The SHF isn't exactly a bastion of sensitive, enlightened thinking. Or logic. Or gender equality. Or... I think I'll just stop here.

The Questyen
02-24-16, 12:02 AM
I'm completely serious. A lot of people have taken this issue as an excuse to mock and deride Kesha, which not incidentally is the sort of treatment a lot of rape and sexual abuse victims receive. If this were not a celebrity, but just a woman whose boss took sexual advantage of her, would you deem it appropriate to dismiss her by saying that she wasn't very good at her job anyway, so it's not like it mattered?

This isn't the only place I've seen this sort of response. People on the Steve Hoffman Forums were saying that now she's damaged goods so no one will want to listen to her anymore. It's absolutely mind-blowing how misogynistic and puerile people can be. And that includes the OP.

After some of the responses on the first page I was going to reply but your post fits my thoughts perfectly.

Josh-da-man
02-24-16, 06:53 AM
I'm completely serious. A lot of people have taken this issue as an excuse to mock and deride Kesha, which not incidentally is the sort of treatment a lot of rape and sexual abuse victims receive. If this were not a celebrity, but just a woman whose boss took sexual advantage of her, would you deem it appropriate to dismiss her by saying that she wasn't very good at her job anyway, so it's not like it mattered?

This isn't the only place I've seen this sort of response. People on the Steve Hoffman Forums were saying that now she's damaged goods so no one will want to listen to her anymore. It's absolutely mind-blowing how misogynistic and puerile people can be. And that includes the OP.

https://mobile.twitter.com/pennyred/status/361043650970529792?lang=en



"Germaine Greer once wrote that women have no idea how much men hate them. Thanks to the internet, now we do." - Laurie Penny

(https://mobile.twitter.com/pennyred/status/361043650970529792?lang=en)

EddieMoney
02-24-16, 08:52 AM
http://www.tmz.com/2016/02/23/kesha-dr-luke-sexual-assault-rape-drugs-deposition-video/

CRM114
02-24-16, 09:40 AM
Yes.

But this move isn't about money - arguably the money is just to give reporters a story... so they'll cover the actual story: artists' rights to record their own music.

So contracts are meaningless now?

I don't know the details of what is going on but contracts cannot be broken based on allegations alone. Was Dr. Luke charged?

Dan
02-24-16, 12:29 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2016/02/23/kesha-dr-luke-sexual-assault-rape-drugs-deposition-video/

Because victims of significant mental and physical abuse - especially female - have never lied to someone they don't know and will likely never meet again, to protect their abusers who have complete control over their careers, right? She lied before or she's lying now so she must be a stupid lying liar who doesn't deserve a career anyway. Case closed!

So contracts are meaningless now?

I don't know the details of what is going on but contracts cannot be broken based on allegations alone. Was Dr. Luke charged?

As I understand, recording contracts have been broken for far less serious situations. And people in power are not adverse to sabotaging an album's promotion just to spite an artist.

Anyway, Dr. Luke isn't going to be convicted. Guaranteed. That doesn't mean it did or didn't happen, but that's just how the system works. It's incredibly hard to prove, and that's exactly what abusers rely on.

Let's say he's not guilty. Regardless, It's obvious that there's significant irreparable turmoil in the working relationship between Kesha, Luke, and Sony. How does that get fixed?
Should she just suck it up and record six more albums which may or may not get promoted by Sony? I don't think that's the right move - for Sony, or for Kesha - but if the contract is king, that's the only option. And you can bet that when it comes time to tour, Sony will say, "Sorry. Not in the budget. Maybe next time."

So no, the contract isn't meaningless, but I think it's fair to say that it should be re-evaluated and possibly nullified.

Sony is in the position of power here. They can let her walk away. Is Kesha worth the fight for them? I don't know but I don't think so. Personally, I think she'd be better off going indie, but maybe that's what Sony is afraid of.

The whole situation is ugly. Every bit of it. And I'm sure the stuff we don't know about is even uglier.

joeblow69
02-24-16, 12:49 PM
If I were her, I'd just do 6 albums of cover songs. Quick and easy. Get it over with.

JeffTheAlpaca
02-24-16, 05:46 PM
Demi later retracted her statement

Demi Lovato has criticised Taylor Swift following her $250,000 donation to Kesha.

Swift has since donated a quarter of a million dollars to help with Kesha's legal fees, but her actionshave drawn sharp criticism from Demi Lovato.

“Take something to Capitol Hill or actually speak out about something and then I'll be impressed,” Lovato tweeted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/taylor-swift-instagram-demi-lovato-kesha-dr-luke-a6888976.html

http://www.billboard.com/files/media/2014-mtv-vmas-show-taylor-swift-demi-lovato-billboard-650.jpg

majorjoe23
02-25-16, 12:04 AM
Demi later retracted her statement



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/taylor-swift-instagram-demi-lovato-kesha-dr-luke-a6888976.html

http://www.billboard.com/files/media/2014-mtv-vmas-show-taylor-swift-demi-lovato-billboard-650.jpg

Taylor Swift/Demi Lovato action shave? I'm interested.

EddieMoney
02-25-16, 07:46 AM
Because victims of significant mental and physical abuse - especially female - have never lied to someone they don't know and will likely never meet again, to protect their abusers who have complete control over their careers, right? She lied before or she's lying now so she must be a stupid lying liar who doesn't deserve a career anyway. Case closed!

No, but there is a possibility that she is not being truthful.

Josh-da-man
02-25-16, 09:03 AM
http://www.billboard.com/files/media/2014-mtv-vmas-show-taylor-swift-demi-lovato-billboard-650.jpg

Taylor looks like she's getting ready to slip her hand under Demi's dress and motorboat those titties.

-other-

CRM114
02-25-16, 03:49 PM
What interest would Sony have in NOT promoting those 6 albums?

Deadman31
02-26-16, 11:19 AM
Taylor Swift is such a nice little boy.

Decker
07-06-17, 05:19 PM
Kesha has been freed! New single co-written by Ryan Lewis of Macklemore fame. I think it's pretty strong :
https://youtu.be/v-Dur3uXXCQ

Here's an article on The Ringer on the conflict and the upcoming album
https://theringer.com/kesha-praying-rainbow-new-album-bbc613125aa5

JeffTheAlpaca
07-07-17, 06:23 PM
I heard her on XM radio talking about this.

I thought she was a superficial pop star at first but she has some substance when she was talking about depression and helping others.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/kesha-recording-new-album-was-way-to-cope-with-depression-w491374

Decker
08-11-17, 01:51 PM
http://image.direct.livenation.com/lib/fe95157070600c7a74/m/7/Kesha_Rainbow_735x321.jpg
I've written every song on this album and they're all so personal. This record, quite literally, saved my life. I hope you guys like it and I hope you can hear it, and I hope it helps people.

- Kesha

LISTEN NOW (https://webmail.west.cox.net/do/redirect?url=http%253A%252F%252Fclick.direct.livenation.com%252F%253Fqs%253D0c43a0cc222407a0255645be 05d0dd25b2e2d95632e85e48c772cd99b7f10e20ead3de161b5763e3e0b22178a3938264debfc450e4207a18)

Throwing Copper
08-12-17, 06:27 AM
I'm not even a Kesha fan, but I listened to the whole album and I like it a lot. Pretty good mix of pop and country among other genres.

It's getting good reviews across the board.

JeffTheAlpaca
08-14-17, 06:58 PM
And she posed nude for the album cover too

http://static.metacritic.com/images/products/music/7/4fafc244b94d666fe9e8cf213914b6df.jpg

nando820
08-15-17, 10:32 AM
I'm in!


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