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Old 11-03-15, 06:53 PM
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The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15




"The Darkness and the Light" - (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)

DR. LIGHT COMES THROUGH THE BREACH - Barry (Grant Gustin) learns a new breacher, Dr. Light, has come through the portal and sets off to capture her. Jay (guest star Teddy Sears) tells Barry that Dr. Light was not a threat on Earth-2 and that Barry can reason with her. However, during a fight with The Flash, she blinds him and drops some shocking news about Zoom. Meanwhile, Barry and Patty (Shantel VanSanten) go out on a date. Steve Shill directed the episode written by Ben Sokolowski & Grainne Godfree (#205). Original airdate 11/3/2015.

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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

Would have preferred seeing "Earth-2" in stead of Earth Two.


Crisco was pretty funny.
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Why do they keep referring to Wells as if the one they had wasn't Thawne AS Wells. There is a distinction isn't there? The Wells they knew wasn't actually Wells...
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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

Yeah, he's just a dick.

Wells' daughter, Jesse Quick, was one of the three girls romping through the woods in the first episode of season 2 of the Leftovers.
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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

Speed mirage was badass.

Loved Crisco line, too.
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OMG Kendra Saunders I can't even!!!!!!!!

(Seriously, I wonder if they were just using the name as an easter egg or if they have plans)
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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

Originally Posted by JasonF
OMG Kendra Saunders I can't even!!!!!!!!

(Seriously, I wonder if they were just using the name as an easter egg or if they have plans)
She's in Legends of Tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by dex14
Why do they keep referring to Wells as if the one they had wasn't Thawne AS Wells. There is a distinction isn't there? The Wells they knew wasn't actually Wells...
I keep saying the same thing. For scientists with genius-level IQs, they struggle with the concept. Constantine is going to be on Arrow next week .
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tomorrow I think.
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Originally Posted by mwbmis
She's in Legends of Tomorrow.
Oh yeah! Totally forgot about that. They're doing a decent job of laying groundwork.
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An episode so nice I watched it twice. This show is so far beyond other superhero shows that I want to marry it. Some wacky liberal state must have already made that legal.

Henceforth I will call Earth-2 Wells as the jerk Wells. So much ground to cover from this episode, it was packed with great lines and key points. It will be interesting to see what kind of connection Zoom and jerk Wells have together.

I thought the date was cute between Barry and Patty. I guess it's only a matter of time until she learns he's the Flash. I liked how Barry was late to the date, that's his trademark.

So Jay has a friend from Atlantis? Nice to see Jay in action at the beginning. I'm not sure I like him hooking up with Caitlyn but we'll see how that develops.

A nation waits with bated breath to see Cisco break dance in his Vibe costume.
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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

Originally Posted by Deftones
Speed mirage was badass.
It looked cool, but it just highlights the problem with the Flash--if he's fast enough to do that then he's fast enough that he doesn't need to do a speed mirage. He should have been able to beat Dr. Light before she had time to even realize that he was there. But you just have to roll with that, I guess, otherwise he'd too easily beat anyone who doesn't have speed powers.

I liked Barry's date with Patty. Damn, she's cute.

I remember some speculation about Caitlin perhaps having latent metahuman powers, due to the accelerator explosion. Wells' metahuman detector didn't ping on her, FWIW.

Do we know how Zoom stole Jay's speed force?
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If you stop and think through the Flash's speed powers, nothing makes sense. He could defeat every villain in a second (literally) and be everywhere at once and omnipresent like the Kingdom Come version, even more overpowered than Superman. You have to fudge it a little bit.

He and Patti have great chemistry, their date was genuinely sweet instead of cloying. I hope they get them together and she learns his secret, she'd be a good addition to the team.

Caitlin got over Ronny fast .
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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

Originally Posted by Cellar Door
It looked cool, but it just highlights the problem with the Flash--if he's fast enough to do that then he's fast enough that he doesn't need to do a speed mirage. He should have been able to beat Dr. Light before she had time to even realize that he was there.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that notices that kind of stuff. Always amazing what people will accept in one show, because they like it, yet totally bitch about how a different show should be even cancelled for the same kind of holes because they don't like it.

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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

While I love the speed mirage use of Flash's power, I thought the FX for it could have been better.
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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138

Caitlin got over Ronny fast .
She's had practice.
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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

Asshole Wells is the best. Good to have him back.
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Cisco is hilarious, and is it possible that Zoom is

Spoiler:
Earth 2 Barry?
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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

Originally Posted by JasonF
OMG Kendra Saunders I can't even!!!!!!!!

(Seriously, I wonder if they were just using the name as an easter egg or if they have plans)
Is it just me or did she look like she was in her mid-30's which made Cisco hitting on her very creepy.
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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

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Is it just me or did she look like she was in her mid-30's which made Cisco hitting on her very creepy.
At 26 actor Carlos Valdes (Cisco) is actually a year older than 25 year old Ciara Renee (Kendra).

That aside, I'm not sure why Cisco hitting on an older woman would be "creepy" anyway. Maybe it is just you
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Maybe its because he looks so much younger even than 26. She looked like a soccer mom and he looks like a college kid. Creepy wasn't the right word. Maybe just visually odd.
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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

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Why do they keep referring to Wells as if the one they had wasn't Thawne AS Wells. There is a distinction isn't there? The Wells they knew wasn't actually Wells...
Yeah, that bothered me, too. They never actually met the Earth-1 Wells. He died when S.T.A.R. labs was just an idea. Thawne did the actual work. The personality of this Earth-2 Wells could very well be what the Earth-1 Wells actually was. We only got a glimpse of Earth-1 Wells right before he died.
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To be fair, they didnt know Wells wasnt Wells until right before they beat him. So for the majority of their lives including the last couple when they were really close to the person pretending to be Wells so I think it is perfectly reasonable to continue to refer to that person as Wells. They really didn't know Thrawne as a separate entity nor face so most people would continue to refer to them as the name they associate with that face.
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Re: The Flash (S2E05) -- "The Darkness and the Light" -- 11/3/15

Wait a minute...they've taken this multiverse thing too far.

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Earth Two Arrowverse is so much more interesting than Earth One. Better Metas. Mythological places (maybe Aquaman?). I want to go there...


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