Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
09-21-15, 02:43 AM
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Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
THE VILLAINS WILL RISE ON THE SEASON PREMIERE OF "GOTHAM" MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, ON FOX
Penguin is King of Gotham and after a shakeup at the GCPD, Detective James Gordon's moral compass wavers, as he seeks help from Penguin. Meanwhile, Bruce Wayne continues to explore the secrets from his father's office, while GOTHAM newcomers Theo Galavan (James Frain) and his sister, Tabitha (Jessica Lucas), make friends with some unlikely allies, a group of dangerous inmates from Arkham in the all-new "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do... " Season Two premiere episode of GOTHAM airing Monday, Sept. 21 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (GTH-201) (TV-14 L, S, V)
Cast: Ben McKenzie as Detective James Gordon, Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock, Michael Chiklis as Detective Nathaniel Barnes, Sean Pertwee as Alfred, Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald Cobblepot/The Penguin, Erin Richards as Barbara Kean, David Mazouz as Bruce Wayne, Camren Bicondova as Selina Kyle/the future Catwoman, Cory Michael Smith as Edward Nygma/the future Riddler, James Frain as Theo Galavan, Jessica Lucas as Tabitha Galavan, Chris Chalk as Lucius Fox, Nicholas D'Agosto as Harvey Dent, Zabryna Guevara as Captain Sarah Essen
Guest Cast: Drew Powell as Butch Gilzean, Peter Scolari as Commissioner Loeb, Anthony Carrigan as Victor Zsasz, James Andrew O'Connor as Tommy Bones, David Fierro as Zaardon, Cameron Monaghan as Jerome, Todd Stashwick as Richard Sionis, Will Brill as Arnold Dobkins, Stink Fisher as Aaron Helzinger, Dustin Ybarra as Robert Greenwood, Otto Sanchez as Odgen Barker, Philip Goodwin as Compere
Penguin is King of Gotham and after a shakeup at the GCPD, Detective James Gordon's moral compass wavers, as he seeks help from Penguin. Meanwhile, Bruce Wayne continues to explore the secrets from his father's office, while GOTHAM newcomers Theo Galavan (James Frain) and his sister, Tabitha (Jessica Lucas), make friends with some unlikely allies, a group of dangerous inmates from Arkham in the all-new "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do... " Season Two premiere episode of GOTHAM airing Monday, Sept. 21 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (GTH-201) (TV-14 L, S, V)
Cast: Ben McKenzie as Detective James Gordon, Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock, Michael Chiklis as Detective Nathaniel Barnes, Sean Pertwee as Alfred, Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald Cobblepot/The Penguin, Erin Richards as Barbara Kean, David Mazouz as Bruce Wayne, Camren Bicondova as Selina Kyle/the future Catwoman, Cory Michael Smith as Edward Nygma/the future Riddler, James Frain as Theo Galavan, Jessica Lucas as Tabitha Galavan, Chris Chalk as Lucius Fox, Nicholas D'Agosto as Harvey Dent, Zabryna Guevara as Captain Sarah Essen
Guest Cast: Drew Powell as Butch Gilzean, Peter Scolari as Commissioner Loeb, Anthony Carrigan as Victor Zsasz, James Andrew O'Connor as Tommy Bones, David Fierro as Zaardon, Cameron Monaghan as Jerome, Todd Stashwick as Richard Sionis, Will Brill as Arnold Dobkins, Stink Fisher as Aaron Helzinger, Dustin Ybarra as Robert Greenwood, Otto Sanchez as Odgen Barker, Philip Goodwin as Compere
Expected to be a 22 episode 2nd season
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Season 1 is now available on Netflix (as of today 9/21/15). if you missed episodes or want to try to get back into it, here's your chance.
It's also available on Blu-Ray, but the season set is kind of expensive at $40+
09-21-15, 08:51 AM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
Looking forwards to having this back.
09-21-15, 08:55 AM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
I can't decide if I want to continue with this show or not. It's just so uneven. Maybe the second season will have better-planned pacing.
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09-21-15, 01:46 PM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
I watched the first 12 or so episodes of last season but it wasn't good enough to keep my attention week to week. But if this season is focusing on different Gotham City villains I may have to check it out.
I really like the dude from Shameless as Joker. Though I hope it doesn't mean that he's leaving or has left Shameless.
I really like the dude from Shameless as Joker. Though I hope it doesn't mean that he's leaving or has left Shameless.
09-21-15, 04:05 PM
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09-21-15, 04:10 PM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
Notice how Barbara Kean is on the villain side of the graphic above. I guess they are fully embracing her as a villain this season. Especially now that Morena Baccarin is a series regular and will probably be Jim's permanent girlfriend.
09-21-15, 04:38 PM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
Looking forward to this. Like the cast additions they have made.
09-21-15, 05:23 PM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
Hopefully it gets whatever was missing last season... I barely managed to finish it. Literally was making myself watch it for the second half because I had no interest in the show itself but was hoping they'd do something good with the premise. It never got better though. So unless the enjoyment goes up I don't really foresee me watching this season in completion.
09-21-15, 07:16 PM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
Just heard Mckenzie and Baccerin are together. Fucking lucky bastard!
09-21-15, 07:23 PM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
09-21-15, 07:42 PM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
40 minutes in and I'm bored... not a good start to the season.
Zsasz's puppet (that he dropped in the sink) didn't get a reaction from me.
Yawn.
Zsasz's puppet (that he dropped in the sink) didn't get a reaction from me.
Yawn.
09-21-15, 07:57 PM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
Two shows using Lou Reed's "Perfect Day" in the opening on back to back nights.
09-22-15, 12:53 AM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
I thought it was a solid season opening episode aside from something I'll mention later. I really like what they've done with the Penguin, that actor basically carries the show with his performance. They've already gone to a very dark place with Jim Gordon, where can they really take that angle any further without warping the character we know will become Commissioner Gordon?
I am surprised Fox allowed that cut-off head in plain view at the 8 PM hour. Standards of acceptability have greatly changed in the last decade on broadcast in prime time. It wouldn't have been allowed by the FCC just a few years ago.
The one problem I had with this episode was the terrible arc they gave Bruce. When he discovered that numerical keypad, I was like "Great, now Bruce will start applying detective skills to deduce the passcode and unlock this rudimentary Batcave. He can learn how to take finger prints and other detective skills." Then we get a moronic sub-plot about Bruce wailing on the door and blowing it up with liquid explosives.
I haven't had much problem with the unusual takes Gotham has had on Batman's villains but it's obvious this producing team doesn't really get the character on a fundamental level, or studied the hero much beyond watching Batman Begins over and over. It usually works in spite of that handicap.
I am surprised Fox allowed that cut-off head in plain view at the 8 PM hour. Standards of acceptability have greatly changed in the last decade on broadcast in prime time. It wouldn't have been allowed by the FCC just a few years ago.
The one problem I had with this episode was the terrible arc they gave Bruce. When he discovered that numerical keypad, I was like "Great, now Bruce will start applying detective skills to deduce the passcode and unlock this rudimentary Batcave. He can learn how to take finger prints and other detective skills." Then we get a moronic sub-plot about Bruce wailing on the door and blowing it up with liquid explosives.
I haven't had much problem with the unusual takes Gotham has had on Batman's villains but it's obvious this producing team doesn't really get the character on a fundamental level, or studied the hero much beyond watching Batman Begins over and over. It usually works in spite of that handicap.
09-22-15, 02:11 AM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
I love this show maybe because I can enjoy it at face value and really know crap all about the comics so any deviations are completely irrelevant to me. I know that I like Jim and his partner, Penguin, young Batman, probably the best Alfred ever, Joker is promising and I enjoy the arc of the show very much, though the extra episodes last year were uneven. Maybe my favorite of all the super hero shows but it seems so divisive. Then again I think the Walking Dead is the dumbest and one of the worst shows on TV yet people love that.
09-22-15, 02:25 AM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
Good start to season 2. I guess my memory is a little foggy, but I didn't remember at all that Jim was demoted and Harvey left the force. That came as kind of a surprise.
Loved Penguin and how he's progressed from season 1. He actually really felt threatening in that scene with the Police Commissioner and the head.
Morena looked really sexy in that negligee. More scenes like that would be greatly appreciated. 
Liked hearing the letter from Bruce's Dad that sort of teased what's to come in Bruce's future.
Good setup for the villains causing a ruckus in Gotham. Glad that Barbara is still a fucking nut job and they aren't attempting to redeem her.
Loved Penguin and how he's progressed from season 1. He actually really felt threatening in that scene with the Police Commissioner and the head.
Morena looked really sexy in that negligee. More scenes like that would be greatly appreciated. Liked hearing the letter from Bruce's Dad that sort of teased what's to come in Bruce's future.
Good setup for the villains causing a ruckus in Gotham. Glad that Barbara is still a fucking nut job and they aren't attempting to redeem her.
09-22-15, 07:08 AM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
I liked the glimpse we got of the actual Riddler, and not just nerdy Edward. The green shirt was a nice touch.
09-22-15, 02:10 PM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
This season is being divided into two 11-episode runs. And it will feature character appearances by:
Spoiler:
09-22-15, 02:14 PM
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09-22-15, 02:23 PM
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Re: Gotham (S2E01) -- "Rise of the Villains: Damned If You Do,…" -- 9/21/15
So I DVR'd this episode, but I gave up on the show last season really early on. Will I be utterly confused without going back and watching the first season (which isn't going to happen, at least not in the near future)?