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LJG765
07-14-15, 11:54 PM
6th Annual August Animation Challenge!

List thread here (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/627876-6th-annual-august-animation-list-thread.html)when live.

The Details

Challenge starts July 31st at 12:01 am local time.

Challenge ends September 1st at dawn.

Rules

Movies/TV shows should be labeled Animation from either imdb.com or allmovie.com. Other labels don't matter as long as there is at least a Animation label from one of those sites. Action/Animation would be fine.

This is the challenge where any and all types of animation is welcome, computer, hand drawn, puppetry, stop motion, etc. The entire movie/show does not need to be completely animated. Something like Roger Rabbit or a Ray Harryhausen film would generally be allowed.

If anyone has a problem with something someone watches or just wants an opinion on if it's animation or not, ask here.

Animation documentaries are allowed but not DVD featurettes/interviews that are just fluff promo pieces.

As with the other challenges, the lists must be numbered or it won't count.

Watching the movie/show with the commentary can counted as unique items.

Watching multiple versions(theatrical and director's cut) of the same movie/show will also count.

Lists

Since the general consensus seems to be for the easy counting method we will go with that. However, it is not required, so if you wish to count another way, feel free, as I will not be doing stats.

How to win

Names will be randomly selected from http://www.random.org/lists/ The top people, one prize per person, get something. Unfortunately, prizes can only go to people in the States.

Sponsors: HamiltonBooks and GoldenWheels!

Prizes:

1. Happiness is a Warm Blanket, Charlie Brown, Happiness is...Peanuts: Snoopy's Adventures, He's Your Dog, Charlie Brown, and You're A Good Sport, Charlie Brown

2. Archie's Weird Mysteries: The Complete Series, The Wacky World of Tex Avery V. 1, Toxic Crusaders: The Movie and The Animated Movie Guide (book)

3. The Richie Rich Scooby-Doo Show v. 1, Saturday Morning Cartoons V1: 1960s and Saturday Morning Cartoons V1:1970s

Checklist:

Official Checklist:

*one wildcard is allowed

Watch works from 5 different studios:

--- Warner Bros
--- UPA
--- Paramount
--- Fleischer Studios
--- Disney
--- Famous Studios
--- Screen Gems
--- Studio Ghibli
--- Depatie-Freleng
--- MGM Cartoon Studio
--- Rankin/Bass
--- Dreamworks Animation


Watch works from 6 different directors:

--- Tex Avery
--- Friz Freleng
--- Chuck Jones
--- Hanna & Barbera
--- Peter Lord
--- Frank Tashlin
--- Bruce W. Timm
--- John Kricfalusi
--- Nick Park
--- Bob Clampett
--- Brothers Quay
--- Hayao Miyazaki
--- Satoshi Kon
--- Don Bluth
--- John and Faith Hubley
--- Gene Deitch


Watch 5 Winsor McKay Award Winners from the Annie Awards (http://annieawards.org/winsor-mccay-award):

--- Max & Dave Fleischer
--- Tex Avery
--- Fritz Freleng
--- Chuck Jones
--- Walt Disney
--- Bill Hanna & William Barbera
--- Mel Blanc
--- Ub Iwerks
--- Wolfgang Reitherman
--- Sterling Holloway (actor)
--- Ray Harryhausen
--- Ralph Bakshi
--- Don Bluth
--- Genndy Tartakovsky
--- Mike Judge
--- John Lasseter
--- Tim Burton
--- Bruce Timm
--- Matt Groenig

From iCheckMovies:

Watch 2 short films from Annecy Festival's 100 Films for a Century of Animation (http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/annecy+festivals+100+films+for+a+century+of+animation/)
--- Film 1
--- Film 2

Watch 2 short films from ASIFA's Top 50 Animated Short Films (http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/asifas+top+50+animated+short+films/mjf314/)
--- Film 1
--- Film 2

Watch 2 animated films from Golden 100 of Russian Animation (http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/golden+100+of+russian+animation/mjf314/)
--- Film 1
--- Film 2

Watch 2 films from Filmspotting Top 100 Animated Films (http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/filmspotting+top+100+animated+films/bondo/)
--- Film 1
--- Film 2

Watch 2 Annie Awards Best Animated Feature (http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/annie+awards+best+animated+feature/moviedearest/) winners
--- Film 1
--- Film 2

Watch 2 films from Japan Academy Awards' Excellent Animations (http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/japan+academy+awards+excellent+animations/eddyspeeder/) list
--- Film 1
--- Film 2

Watch 2 films from The Animated Movie Guide: Top 60 Animated Features Never Theatrically Released in the United States (http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/the+animated+movie+guide+top+60+animated+features+never+theatrically+released+in+the+united+states/mjf314/) (from Jerry Beck's book The Animated Movie Guide)
--- Film 1
--- Film 2

--- Watch a Saturn Award for Best Animation Film (http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/saturn+award+for+best+animation+film/mochard/) winner - Film 1


Watch animation from at least 9 different decades:
--- 1900 -
--- 1910 -
--- 1920 -
--- 1930 -
--- 1940 -
--- 1950 -
--- 1960 -
--- 1970 -
--- 1980 -
--- 1990 -
--- 2000 -
--- 2010 -


Watch animation from at least two languages other than English:
--- First language -
--- Second language -


--- Watch an animated movie that spawned a TV spin-off OR an animated movie that was based on an animated TV show -
--- Watch a work of animated non-fiction [i.e., Waltz with Bashir, etc.] -
--- Watch an Academy Award Best Animated Feature winner -
--- Watch an Academy Award Best Short Subject (Cartoon)/Animated Short winner -


Watch animation from at least 4 different ratings:
--- G -
--- PG -
--- PG-13 -
--- R -
--- NC-17 / X -
--- Unrated -


Watch animation from at least 4 of these categories:
--- Watch an anime movie or series -
--- Watch a US kid's show that originally aired on Sat mornings -
--- Puppet show -
--- Mostly or all CGI -
--- Watch 90+ minutes worth of shorts (i.e Tom and Jerry, Bugs Bunny) -
--- Cartoon based on a newspaper comic strip -
--- Motion Comic -


Watch animation from at least 6 different genres:
--- Action -
--- Comedy -
--- Adventure -
--- Fantasy -
--- Science Fiction -
--- Horror -
--- Mystery -
--- Western -
--- Drama -
--- Crime -
--- Romance -
--- War -


Need help with cartoons from a newspaper comic strip?

Alley Oop
Baby Blues
Barney Google
Barney Google and Snuffy Smith
B.C.
Beatle Bailey
Blondie
Bloom County/Opus/Outland
The Boondocks
Broom Hilda
The Captain and the Kids (aka, The Katzenjammer Kids)
Cathy
Dennis the Menace
Dick Tracy
Dilbert
Doonsbury
Dream of the Rarebit Fiend
The Dropouts
Emmy Lou
The Family Circus
The Far Side
Flash Gordon
For Better or For Worse
Fred Basset
Garfield
Girls & Sports
Hagar the Horrible
Heathcliff
Hejji
Henry
Krazy Kat
Life in Hell
Li'l Abner
Little Jimmy
The Little King
Little Lulu
Little Nemo in Slumberland
Mandrake the Magician
Marmaduke
Moon Mullins
Mother Goose and Grimm
Mutt and Jeff
Nancy
Over the Hedge (CGI)
Ox Tales
Peanuts
The Phantom
Pogo
Popeye
Prince Valiant
Reg'lar Fellers
Ripley's Believe It or Not!
Rupert Bear
Scamp
Smokey Stover
Snafu
Tarzan
Toonerville Folks (aka, Toonerville Trolley)
Tumbleweeds
Wee Pals (aka, Kid Power)
Ziggy

Easy access links to the iCheckMovies part of the checklist. Thanks coyoteblue!
Japan Academy Awards' Excellent Animations (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/japan+academy+awards+excellent+animations/eddyspeeder/)
Annie Award for Best Animated Feature (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/annie+award+for+best+animated+feature+nominees/enigma/)
Golden 100 of Russian Animation (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/golden+100+of+russian+animation/mjf314/)
ASIFA's Top 50 Animated Short Films (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/asifas+top+50+animated+short+films/mjf314/)
Annecy Festival's 100 Films for a Century of Animation (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/annecy+festivals+100+films+for+a+century+of+animation/)
Filmspotting Top 100 Animated Films (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/filmspotting+top+100+animated+films/bondo/)
The Animated Movie Guide: Top 60 Animated Features Never Theatrically Released in the United States (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/the+animated+movie+guide+top+60+animated+features+never+theatrically+released+in+the+united+states/mjf314/)
List of Animation lists (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/?excludetags=user:icheckmovies&sort=lastupdated&tags=animation)
(Couldn't find the list on icheckmovies, so I went with wikipedia)
Saturn Award for Best Animated Film (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Award_for_Best_Animated_Film#2000s)

For August 2016: Add actors/actresses to watch to checklist:
Jim Backus
Mel Blanc
June Foray
Dan Castellaneta
Jim Cummings
Ed Asner
Maurice LaMarche
Megumi Hayashibara
Bill Fagerbakke
Tom Kenny
Clancy Brown
Ron Perlman
Andrea Martin
Paul Frees
Daws Butler
Tara Strong
Edward Everett Horton
Hans Conried
Nancy Cartwright
Mark Hamill
Dom DeLuise
Alan Tudyk
Frank Welker
Maurice LaMarche
Billy West
Kelly Hu

shadokitty
07-15-15, 05:24 AM
Can't wait. I've even slowed down on sci-fi cartoons to keep cartoons fresh next month.

Trevor
07-15-15, 09:03 AM
In for four, thanks for running this.

Giles
07-15-15, 09:23 AM
:wave:

BobO'Link
07-15-15, 10:54 AM
I did a blind buy of Cowboy Bebop (the entire series) last week from Amazon so will watch it this month to see if I like it or not.

wishbone
07-15-15, 11:12 AM
I did a blind buy of Cowboy Bebop (the entire series) last week from Amazon so will watch it this month to see if I like it or not.I saved watching my set for this challenge as well and I'm really looking forward to it.

Question for those in the know:  I have read that this series has a great English dub. Would you recommend that I watch with the English dub first or Japanese with subtitles?

Ash Ketchum
07-15-15, 11:12 AM
I did a blind buy of Cowboy Bebop (the entire series) last week from Amazon so will watch it this month to see if I like it or not.

It qualifies for the Sci-Fi Challenge also. In fact, I started this month with Cowboy Bebop #1, for old times' sake. I love that series. Just be aware that despite the frequent comic tone (think Lupin the 3rd meets Neuromancer), there are some very serious episodes. The wide-ranging music score by Yoko Kanno is pretty amazing. A girl I went to high school with sings on the soundtrack. And each episode title references some genre of music.

coyoteblue
07-15-15, 11:29 AM
Question for those in the know:  I have read that this series has a great English dub. Would you recommend that I watch with the English dub first or Japanese with subtitles?

Cowboy Bebop is one of the few series where watching with the English dub is preferred and recommended (Big O is another one).

I've got an hankerin' to burn through Flame of Recca; I've read through the arc covered by the anime and it'll be interesting to see what (if any) changes they've made to the story. I've still got 10 or so volumes to go for the manga.

Another item on my 'to be watched list' is Jack and the Cuckoo Clock Heart (2013)

BobO'Link
07-15-15, 12:11 PM
It qualifies for the Sci-Fi Challenge also.
Yes, I know. I'm so backed up with non-animated SF series I'm purposely waiting for the Animation Challenge for this one. Part of me wants to start it to find out (I've heard if you like Firefly you'll like Cowboy Bebop - Firefly is a SF TV Top 10 Favorite) but that backlog won't let me. :)

BobO'Link
07-15-15, 12:13 PM
Cowboy Bebop is one of the few series where watching with the English dub is preferred and recommended (Big O is another one).
Thanks! Being animation I pretty much figured there's no issue with lip sync with a English dub but had wondered the same thing. English track it is. :)

Ash Ketchum
07-15-15, 01:04 PM
Thanks! Being animation I pretty much figured there's no issue with lip sync with a English dub but had wondered the same thing. English track it is. :)

To be honest, I've never heard the English dub of COWBOY BEBOP, so I don't know how good it is. The Japanese voice actors are superb, and if you listen to the English dub you miss out on hearing the dulcet tones of Megumi Hayashibara in the role of Faye Valentine. She's one of my favorite singers in the world, as well as being one of my favorite voice actresses.

coyoteblue
07-15-15, 01:44 PM
I'm not much of a dub fan, myself. 99% of the stuff I watch will be with Japanese audio. Bebop is one of the very, very few dub exceptions I make.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
07-15-15, 02:16 PM
My wife loves One Piece but I don't think I'll be ready to start that for next month. One long running series at a time.

I think I'm going to watch movies that do stop motion animation, robotics, and other non-cartoon type animation.

shadokitty
07-15-15, 02:49 PM
My wife loves One Piece but I don't think I'll be ready to start that for next month. One long running series at a time.

I think I'm going to watch movies that do stop motion animation, robotics, and other non-cartoon type animation.

I have a few movies like that myself.

coyoteblue
07-15-15, 03:13 PM
My wife loves One Piece but I don't think I'll be ready to start that for next month. One long running series at a time.

I think I'm going to watch movies that do stop motion animation, robotics, and other non-cartoon type animation.

Movies like these?

<b>The Puppetoon Movie</b> (1987)
<b>Gumby: The Movie</b> (1995)
<b>Thunderbirds Are GO</b> (1966)
<b>Thunderbird 6</b> (1968)
<b>Team America: World Police</b> (2004)
<b>Walace & Grommit: Curse of the Were-Rabbit</b> (2005)
<b>Coraline</b> (2009)
<b>The Nightmare Before Christmas</b> (1993)
<b>James and the Giant Peach</b> (1996)
<b>The Boxtrolls</b> (2014)
<b>Strings</b> (2004)
<b>Toys in the Attic</b> (2009)

mrcellophane
07-15-15, 03:19 PM
I'm a little chagrined to say that I typically watch anime series dubbed if one is available and not terrible. Usually, the reviews at Anime News Network reliably assess the dubs and subs. With some favorite anime series, such as Fullmetal Alchemist and Wolf's Rain, the English voice actors are too connected to the characters for me to watch subbed. Honestly, it's easier to watch a good dub since I often have dinner while watching television.

I've been waffling about participating in this challenge. However, this could be a good time to work through a couple anime series and Saturday morning cartoons. I really want to delve into Attack on Titan and Death Note.

mrcellophane
07-15-15, 03:21 PM
My wife loves One Piece but I don't think I'll be ready to start that for next month. One long running series at a time.

I think I'm going to watch movies that do stop motion animation, robotics, and other non-cartoon type animation.

I love One Piece! It's so good! Perhaps, I should finally pick up the next collection I need and continue. I will be king of the pirates!

wishbone
07-15-15, 03:42 PM
I've been waffling about participating in this challenge. However, this could be a good time to work through a couple anime series and Saturday morning cartoons. I really want to delve into Attack on Titan and Death Note.http://i.imgur.com/f6kE07z.jpg

You should participate even if it's just a little bit. :)

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
07-15-15, 04:02 PM
Movies like these?

<b>The Puppetoon Movie</b> (1987)
<b>Gumby: The Movie</b> (1995)
<b>Thunderbirds Are GO</b> (1966)
<b>Thunderbird 6</b> (1968)
<b>Team America: World Police</b> (2004)
<b>Walace & Grommit: Curse of the Were-Rabbit</b> (2005)
<b>Coraline</b> (2009)
<b>The Nightmare Before Christmas</b> (1993)
<b>James and the Giant Peach</b> (1996)
<b>The Boxtrolls</b> (2014)
<b>Strings</b> (2004)
<b>Toys in the Attic</b> (2009)

Some like that, definitely The Boxtrolls, and some unwatched Ray Harryhausen films as well as David Allen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_W._Allen stuff. I just got Dolls on blu-ray Monday and Robot Jox on blu-ray just shipped, so I might do a Robot Jox and Robot Wars double feature. Maybe another double feature with Q and The Crater Lake Monster.

Since Jurassic World is out, I might dig up the Prehysteria! trilogy and watch those for the first time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehysteria!_(film_series)

I love One Piece! It's so good! Perhaps, I should finally pick up the next collection I need and continue. I will be king of the pirates!

Check out the Amazon exclusive collections. They put a few of the collection sets together in a box set and it can sometimes end up being slightly cheaper than buying individually.

LJG765
07-15-15, 06:46 PM
Sounds like everybody already has quite a line up of options! I bought recently the Winsor McCay: The Master Edition collection that I'm eager to watch. Otherwise, it's going to be whatever I haven't watched yet. Despicable Me 2, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2, to start with.

I'm a little chagrined to say that I typically watch anime series dubbed if one is available and not terrible. ...Honestly, it's easier to watch a good dub since I often have dinner while watching television.

I've been waffling about participating in this challenge. However, this could be a good time to work through a couple anime series and Saturday morning cartoons. I really want to delve into Attack on Titan and Death Note.

I have to admit to the same. While some films the dubbing is horrible and I prefer the sub titles to it, I tend to be doing something else while watching. Bad habit, but I blame society for my need to multitask. O:)

http://i.imgur.com/f6kE07z.jpg

You should participate even if it's just a little bit. :)

What wishbone said! Seriously, even just a little bit counts!

Some like that, definitely The Boxtrolls, and some unwatched Ray Harryhausen films as well as David Allen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_W._Allen stuff. I just got Dolls on blu-ray Monday and Robot Jox on blu-ray just shipped, so I might do a Robot Jox and Robot Wars double feature. Maybe another double feature with Q and The Crater Lake Monster.

Watched Boxtrolls not too long ago and it was alright. I liked the animation aspects of it much more than the actual story, though.

Ash Ketchum
07-15-15, 08:19 PM
Movies like these?

<b>The Puppetoon Movie</b> (1987)
<b>Gumby: The Movie</b> (1995)
<b>Thunderbirds Are GO</b> (1966)
<b>Thunderbird 6</b> (1968)
<b>Team America: World Police</b> (2004)
<b>Walace & Grommit: Curse of the Were-Rabbit</b> (2005)
<b>Coraline</b> (2009)
<b>The Nightmare Before Christmas</b> (1993)
<b>James and the Giant Peach</b> (1996)
<b>The Boxtrolls</b> (2014)
<b>Strings</b> (2004)
<b>Toys in the Attic</b> (2009)

Speaking of which, the 1949 British color version of ALICE IN WONDERLAND, mixing live actors with stop-motion puppet animation, is up on YouTube. If you've never seen it, it's worth a look. It's quite a curio. Disney supposedly suppressed it to clear the way for his version.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/RbAv1r4UqDM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

davidh777
07-15-15, 08:30 PM
Just dropped into the thread to see why there was so much pre-discussion, and I find it's all about Cowboy Bebop! I've seen a few episodes, but like many finally bit on the full BD set recently so I might watch that along with everyone else. :lol:

LJG765
07-15-15, 08:32 PM
Speaking of which, the 1949 British color version of ALICE IN WONDERLAND, mixing live actors with stop-motion puppet animation, is up on YouTube. If you've never seen it, it's worth a look. It's quite a curio. Disney supposedly suppressed it to clear the way for his version.

Thanks for posting this. It also counts for the current challenge! (Actually, I think I'll watch it tonight as I need something from the '40s anyway...)

coyoteblue
07-15-15, 11:50 PM
Speaking of which, the 1949 British color version of ALICE IN WONDERLAND, mixing live actors with stop-motion puppet animation, is up on YouTube. If you've never seen it, it's worth a look. It's quite a curio. Disney supposedly suppressed it to clear the way for his version.


I can't recall of ever hearing of this version of the story. I'll definitely be watching it for Animation challenge or the current challenge.

shadokitty
07-16-15, 03:26 AM
I have so much animation available, I have no clue what to work on.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
07-16-15, 12:02 PM
Here's another version of Alice in Wonderland that I like. It's a bit darker than the original, I think, but still fun for the family.

Alice (1988) Něco z Alenky
Part 1 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jjkww_alice-1988-neco-z-alenky-english-subs-part-1_shortfilms
Part 2 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jjl50_alice-1988-neco-z-alenky-english-subs-part-2_shortfilms

coyoteblue
07-16-15, 12:13 PM
Here's another version of Alice in Wonderland that I like. It's a bit darker than the original, I think, but still fun for the family.

Alice (1988) Něco z Alenky
Part 1 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jjkww_alice-1988-neco-z-alenky-english-subs-part-1_shortfilms
Part 2 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jjl50_alice-1988-neco-z-alenky-english-subs-part-2_shortfilms

Oh! I've got this version (somewhere); I'd forgotten about it. I've got a mini-series, Alice Through the Looking Glass, starring Kate Beckinsale, that I haven't watched yet, too. I'll must find it (for this month's challenge though).

Earlier this month I picked up Earthworm Jim and all the available season sets of Duck Dodgers. I'll be cherry picking them for the Animation Challenge at least.

LorenzoL
07-19-15, 12:55 PM
I have a lot of Animation to go through so this challenge will be perfect. I won't be able to start right away as I will be away on vacation but I'll start as soon as I come back.

shadokitty
07-20-15, 06:52 PM
I finally figured out some of what I'll watch. I completed my commitment to the Disney Movie Club, and got quite a few animated movies, like Big Hero 6, Sleeping Beauty, 101 Dalmatians, and 101 Dalmatians II. I've got others as well. While my ordering will slow down, I think I will stay in the club however.

BobO'Link
07-20-15, 07:00 PM
I finally figured out some of what I'll watch. I completed my commitment to the Disney Movie Club, and got quite a few animated movies, like Big Hero 6, Sleeping Beauty, 101 Dalmatians, and 101 Dalmatians II. I've got others as well. While my ordering will slow down, I think I will stay in the club however.
You can maximize your savings by cycling the account (i.e. quitting, re-enrolling with the best code). The possible downside would be if you already have anything of interest that's offered as enrollment titles.

shadokitty
07-20-15, 07:02 PM
You can maximize your savings by cycling the account (i.e. quitting, re-enrolling with the best code). The possible downside would be if you already have anything of interest that's offered as enrollment titles.

Do you mean, like incentives to return, as they'll try to get me back?

BobO'Link
07-20-15, 08:45 PM
Do you mean, like incentives to return, as they'll try to get me back?
Yes, they'll try to get you back but you don't have to wait for the best deal. Check out the Disney Blu-Ray Club thread (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-clubs/579042-disney-blu-ray-club-33.html) for more details - it has the better codes listed and helpful information on how to maximize your membership. While the codes and information all mostly talk about BR you *can* enroll with DVDs and purchase DVDs for fulfillment titles and spend less.

LJG765
07-21-15, 02:11 AM
I'm a member of the DMC as well. I have pretty much everything, so I just stay in for the occasional new exclusive. I rarely buy anything anymore, but every once in awhile there is a good deal or exclusive that I'll pick up. I do love the VIP pins, though. And at Christmas, they do ornaments that are exclusive, though last years was kind of cheap. As a VIP, there are two basic offers-buy 1 at full price and get the rest at 50% with free shipping or buy 1 at full price, get the rest at 60%. I know you get a better deal if you cancel then resubscribe, but like BobO'Link mentioned.

shadokitty
07-21-15, 11:59 AM
It won't count for the , but Thursday night movie at Oshkosh, will be the sequel to Planes, Planes: Fire and Rescue. The original movie was played before it even came out in theaters a few years ago.

davidh777
07-22-15, 01:35 AM
Would Sin City count for its extreme greenscreening?

LorenzoL
07-22-15, 06:31 AM
Would Sin City count for its extreme greenscreening?

What about The Muppets?

Trevor
07-22-15, 06:44 AM
What about The Muppets?
Would Sin City count for its extreme greenscreening?
These have always counted in the past.

LJG765
07-23-15, 01:43 PM
Would Sin City count for its extreme greenscreening?
I have not watched this one. If the greenscreening is at least 50% of the movie, I don't see why it wouldn't count. There is one wildcard for this challenge. If you watch it and you don't think it counts, use the wildcard on it.
What about The Muppets?

The Muppets are puppets, so they automatically count per the challenge rules. So go for it!

LJG765
07-23-15, 01:43 PM
Wow, this challenge is only a week and a bit away! Time really flies!

LJG765
07-24-15, 04:22 AM
It's officially a week until the challenge starts. I'll get the list thread up for those who want to get ready in the next day or so, Saturday night at the latest!

LJG765
07-24-15, 10:56 PM
Here's the list thread. (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/627876-6th-annual-august-animation-list-thread.html) Plan away!

shadokitty
07-25-15, 12:47 AM
Looking forward to some GI Joe and Bugs Bunny.

LJG765
07-27-15, 03:17 PM
I'm happy to announce that GoldenWheels and HamiltonBooks have officially offered to sponsor the Animation challenge. :) Thank you!

LJG765
07-27-15, 03:19 PM
The start of the challenge is coming up really fast! Anyone have any comments/complaints/suggestions for the checklist? I did update a bit on studios from suggestions from last year. Anything missing?

wishbone
07-27-15, 03:21 PM
Looking forward to some GI Joe and Bugs Bunny.http://i.imgur.com/ctXUAlh.jpg

Happy birthday Bugs!

http://time.com/3967572/bugs-bunny-75/

coyoteblue
07-27-15, 04:14 PM
The start of the challenge is coming up really fast! Anyone have any comments/complaints/suggestions for the checklist? I did update a bit on studios from suggestions from last year. Anything missing?

It looks pretty solid. Maybe in a few years you can add Mamoru Hosoda to the director's list.

LorenzoL
07-27-15, 08:45 PM
When I come back from vacation, I'm going to start to with finishing Mazinger Z and Shin Mazinger. I recently watched the Book of Dead and loved it.

LJG765
07-28-15, 04:26 AM
It looks pretty solid. Maybe in a few years you can add Mamoru Hosoda to the director's list.

I could see that happening. I took a look at his work and I've actually seen both "The Girl who Leapt Through Time" and " Summer Wars." I enjoyed them both.

I recently watched the Book of Dead and loved it.

I watched this not long ago myself and was pleasantly surprised at how much I liked it. I ended up picking up a copy when it was on sale about a month ago. I've been debating about whether I should re-watch it or not. It'd be a good one to watch during that time when it'd count for both animation and sci-fi...

LorenzoL
07-28-15, 06:06 AM
:lol: I forgot that I could include The Book of Death for this month challenge.

LJG765
07-28-15, 02:28 PM
Oops, I'm thinking of Book of Life not Book of Dead.

LorenzoL
07-28-15, 03:17 PM
Oops! My bad. I meant the Book of Life.

LJG765
07-28-15, 07:54 PM
Ha! We both got it wrong, but still were thinking about the same title. :)

Whiskey Warfield
07-29-15, 11:15 PM
Is Crumb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109508/) an eligible film?

LJG765
07-29-15, 11:51 PM
Is Crumb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109508/) an eligible film?

I'm going to say you could use the wild card for this. Technically, Crumb was a comic book artist. He really didn't do animation. I know one of his characters was made into a cartoon (Felix the cat, if I'm remembering correctly) but I do not think he actually did the animation. If I'm wrong, please let me know as then it would meet the rules as an eligible title. That being said, I remember enjoying this documentary so I hope you still watch it if you haven't yet.

coyoteblue
07-29-15, 11:57 PM
I'm going to say you could use the wild card for this. Technically, Crumb was a comic book artist. He really didn't do animation. I know one of his characters was made into a cartoon (Felix the cat, if I'm remembering correctly) but I do not think he actually did the animation. If I'm wrong, please let me know as then it would meet the rules as an eligible title. That being said, I remember enjoying this documentary so I hope you still watch it if you haven't yet.

Ralph Bakshi directed/animated Fritz the Cat (1972).

shadokitty
07-30-15, 02:10 AM
With my recent order of both seasons of the Dic G.I Joe series, tomorrow's I'll have every episode, minus the movie with Cobra La. And there's also a Roku channel that has all four seasons of the original Transformers, plus I own all three Japanese series on DVD.

shadokitty
07-30-15, 10:25 AM
A couple questions. One directed to you LJG. Would you be averse to starting the challenge at dusk tomorrow night instead of midnight?

Also, is anyone else thinking of a sci fi cartoon to get them in the mood for this challenge?

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
07-30-15, 11:05 AM
Also, is anyone else thinking of a sci fi cartoon to get them in the mood for this challenge?

I've considered:
Dungeons and Dragons
Serial Experiments Lain
Batman vs Robin

and to a lesser extent:
He-Man (original series)
G.I. Joe
MASK
Manzinger Z (looking back at older animation lists to see where I left off. I don't think I finished it)
Transformers (original series)

and the "I own it but it'll be one of the last things in my collection I watch":
The Animatrix (I only liked the first Matrix. The second is ok but it's the median between the good first one and the stupid last one. I'm not sure I'd want to get into the backstory with animation.)

LJG765
07-30-15, 02:29 PM
Ralph Bakshi directed/animated Fritz the Cat (1972).
Ooh, so close, but no cigar for me!
A couple questions. One directed to you LJG. Would you be averse to starting the challenge at dusk tomorrow night instead of midnight?

Also, is anyone else thinking of a sci fi cartoon to get them in the mood for this challenge?

Funny you say that, shadokitty, I was going to change it to then about a week ago, but when I reread the challenge start time, it actually starts at 12:01 on July 31st. So you can start at midnight, if you want to! It definitely overlaps the sci-fi challenge, so I hope people take advantage. For your other question, I probably will start watching a few of my animation films with a fantasy tag but not necessarily sci-fi.

Whiskey Warfield
07-30-15, 03:27 PM
Thanks for the response, guys. I own it on blu so I'll save Crumb for a future challenge.

shadokitty
07-30-15, 05:29 PM
Sling TV will probably get a lot of use for me this challenge. Besides the Disney channels, Cartoon Network, and Boomerang, HBO On Demand has a large selection of children's fairy tales as well.

LJG765
07-30-15, 08:31 PM
Thanks for the response, guys. I own it on blu so I'll save Crumb for a future challenge.

September's Criterion challenge is just right around the corner and it'd count for that one! :)

shadokitty
07-30-15, 09:25 PM
Three more hours. Can't wait, and to give it extra fun, I'm not working on any challenge till it starts. Watching a BBC Earth documentary on Netflix now, Nature's Great Events.

shadokitty
07-30-15, 09:38 PM
I'm looking forward to watching my Schoolhouse Rock set as well.

LJG765
07-30-15, 11:43 PM
Looking forward to the challenge myself. I'm finishing up tonight with my last sci-fi/fantasy only movie but plan to switch over to ones that count for both. Haven't quite decided what I'll start with, though. No theme yet that I've decided on. Think I'm just going to flit back and forth to what grabs my attention but I do have several newer ones I haven't watched yet like Despicable Me 2 and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2.

Enjoy guys and gals! Hope everyone has a great challenge!

shadokitty
07-31-15, 02:36 AM
I wanted something for double credit, so decided to start the challenge with a couple episodes of MASK.

shadokitty
07-31-15, 05:32 AM
After watching a show on UFOs for the Sci Fi / Fantasy Challenge, I decided to switch over to this challenge for my next viewing. I found an episode of The Cleveland Show on Cartoon Network, about Cleveland trying to be cool to win back his son's love.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
07-31-15, 12:20 PM
I think I might keep going with Dark Shadows during the animation challenge but still get some animation in, probably movies, when I need a break. I cleared episode 1,000 yesterday and if I keep up my regular pace, I'll finish and have at least a full week to completely focus on animation.

The end is so close I can't stop myself from crossing the finish line :)

coyoteblue
07-31-15, 08:02 PM
I think I might keep going with Dark Shadows during the animation challenge but still get some animation in, probably movies, when I need a break. I cleared episode 1,000 yesterday and if I keep up my regular pace, I'll finish and have at least a full week to completely focus on animation.

The end is so close I can't stop myself from crossing the finish line :)

If you've got the momentum use it to go all the way.

coyoteblue
07-31-15, 09:31 PM
Netflix has added season five of MLP: Friendship is Magic, just in time for the Animation Challenge. I was missing watching it; the real challenge is going to be not burning through the remaining 11 episodes.

LJG765
07-31-15, 10:10 PM
I think I might keep going with Dark Shadows during the animation challenge but still get some animation in, probably movies, when I need a break. I cleared episode 1,000 yesterday and if I keep up my regular pace, I'll finish and have at least a full week to completely focus on animation.

The end is so close I can't stop myself from crossing the finish line :)

I don't blame you, I'd feel the same way!

shadokitty
08-01-15, 11:14 AM
I just discovered that sometimes Amazon Prime has shows you never would have the to look for. I haven't decided how many events I'll watch yet, but I just discovered a new anime under Recommended Shows, RahXephon. I had never even heard of it before.

Whiskey Warfield
08-01-15, 07:04 PM
I was lucky enough to find the 1977 version of The Hobbit online. I haven't seen it since I was a kid. It's amazing how many voices I recognize now and how well it holds up.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
08-01-15, 08:17 PM
I was lucky enough to find the 1977 version of The Hobbit online. I haven't seen it since I was a kid. It's amazing how many voices I recognize now and how well it holds up.

I'm the opposite. I've seen that thing so many times as a kid and would get insanely bored from it and only finished it a few times. I'm guessing I like like it a little more now than when I was in grade school.

coyoteblue
08-01-15, 11:01 PM
I collected all the links for the 'From iCheckMovies: ' part of the checklist:

Japan Academy Awards' Excellent Animations (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/japan+academy+awards+excellent+animations/eddyspeeder/)
Annie Award for Best Animated Feature (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/annie+award+for+best+animated+feature+nominees/enigma/)
Golden 100 of Russian Animation (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/golden+100+of+russian+animation/mjf314/)
ASIFA's Top 50 Animated Short Films (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/asifas+top+50+animated+short+films/mjf314/)
Annecy Festival's 100 Films for a Century of Animation (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/annecy+festivals+100+films+for+a+century+of+animation/)
Filmspotting Top 100 Animated Films (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/filmspotting+top+100+animated+films/bondo/)
The Animated Movie Guide: Top 60 Animated Features Never Theatrically Released in the United States (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/the+animated+movie+guide+top+60+animated+features+never+theatrically+released+in+the+united+states/mjf314/)
List of Animation lists (https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/?excludetags=user:icheckmovies&sort=lastupdated&tags=animation)
(Couldn't find the list on icheckmovies, so I went with wikipedia)
Saturn Award for Best Animated Film (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Award_for_Best_Animated_Film#2000s)

shadokitty
08-02-15, 02:32 AM
As part of my cartoon marathon I just watched my first ever episode of Naruto, on Cartoon Network. It's too early to make a judgment call on how I like it however.

shadokitty
08-02-15, 07:56 AM
I plan to watch cartoons all day today, so when I woke up, I started with an episode of MASK. It was about VENOM making giant vines grow in L.A..

mrcellophane
08-02-15, 12:55 PM
Yesterday evening, I went out to dinner with my sister and brother-in-law, and then we played some new board games. I got home rather late, but decided to pop in The Croods. I'd forgotten just how adorable and enjoyable the film is. The animal and character designs are so inventive. I especially love the owl bear and the land whales. However, Belt the utility sloth is my favorite; I have a plush Belt that hangs on my desk lamp, and a friend made me a clay Belt figurine. I'm usually not a fan of animal sidekicks in cartoons, but Belt is enduring but not grating.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/57/c7/b2/57c7b29268841fe0ebe1b23ca1a1c08e.jpg

He's just so darn cute!

shadokitty
08-02-15, 01:07 PM
After finishing Disc One of Volume Three of MASK, I decided on a change of pace, and popped in Schoolhouse Rock. I just finished 'Conjunction Junction'.

shadokitty
08-02-15, 01:34 PM
I think I'm gonna look for something on TV, cartoon or otherwise right now. I'm stuck. Maybe a documentary or outdoor show.

BobO'Link
08-02-15, 03:09 PM
I officially started by watching the first 6 episodes of Cowboy Bebop. I'm finding few similarities to Firefly - maybe I misread comments and they were more of a "If you like Firefly then you'll probably like Cowboy Bebop" type and *not* that it's *similar* to Firefly. The only "similarities" I've noticed are that both are in a somewhat distopian future. The animators *do* appear to have stolen a few imagery items from Babylon 5 and other classic SF programs.

So far it's "OK" but had I watched a few episodes first I'd probably have not made the purchase as it's really not my type of program. It seems to be all about a bounty hunter who's a martial arts expert and his buddy and the "deals" they make to stay somewhat solvent. I must admit the animation is excellent, if you discount the Japanese tendancy of everyone having a sharply pointed nose. At least everyone doesn't have those "doe eyes" that are so popular in that culture. The open theme is simply awesome. I wish the show were as exciting.

I watched a few episodes while switching back and forth from English to Japanese language and think this *may* have been produced with English speakers in mind as the lip sync, which is always somewhat iffy in anamation, seems to match better with the English track. I've also been watching with subtitles on and think the English audio track tells a more cohesive story than you get by reading the subtitles - there are *frequent* differences in what is being said.

I'll finish the set but it's not something I'm in a hurry to do. I'd show it to my grandson to see if he likes it but there's more profanity than I'm comfortable with for a 11 year old.

shadokitty
08-02-15, 09:44 PM
In a better mood now, so watching cartoons again. I just finished an episode of Superman: TAS on Amazon Prime, 'Knight Time', in which Superman masqueraded as Batman.

LJG765
08-03-15, 02:51 AM
I watched The Lorax today. Not my first watch, but it's been long enough that I had forgotten some of the elements, like how long the Onceler takes to tell his story. I love the colors of this movie. The trees, fish, birds...very pretty. The music is fun, though I really like the last song the best. Just very catchy.

I noticed that my DVR was filling up, so I spent most of the rest of the night just watching things off that to get me some more room, but I have a small stack of animation already picked out and ready to go. I remembered that I was only partially through the Pink Panther set I picked up a couple years ago, so I really want to finish that this month. Plan on starting that tomorrow.

shadokitty
08-03-15, 03:34 AM
I'm doing a free seven day trial of a Roku channel with a lot of newer animated movies called Istreamitall.

Since I woke up in the middle of the night, decided to watch some cartoons. Just finished another episode of MASK. That theme song really sticks in my head.

N8 Storm
08-03-15, 07:35 AM
I'm doing a free seven day trial of a Roku channel with a lot of newer animated movies called Istreamitall.

Since I woke up in the middle of the night, decided to watch some cartoons. Just finished another episode of MASK. That theme song really sticks in my head.M.A.S.K. has one of my favorite theme songs. 80s cartoons had some great ones.

mrcellophane
08-03-15, 09:35 AM
I officially started by watching the first 6 episodes of Cowboy Bebop. I'm finding few similarities to Firefly - maybe I misread comments and they were more of a "If you like Firefly then you'll probably like [B]Cowboy Bebop/B]" type and *not* that it's *similar* to Firefly. The only "similarities" I've noticed are that both are in a somewhat distopian future. The animators *do* appear to have stolen a few imagery items from Babylon 5 and other classic SF programs.

Yesterday, I finished up Cowboy Bebop and enjoyed the series, especially the later episodes. It reminded me of Firefly since both overtly meld science fiction and westerns. Both get a lot of mileage out of adapting western plots and genre conventions with spaceships. While Cowboy Bebop didn't hit me on the same level as Wolf's Rain or Fullmetal Alchemist, some of the episodes made me contemplative and emotional.

Last night, I popped in a disc of American Dad!, my favorite Seth MacFarlane cartoon. The series refines MacFarlane's humor and features more complex characters.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
08-03-15, 10:24 AM
I started going through Star Wars: The Clone Wars season 1. I'd planned on watching it sometime but one thing that always held me back was the movie. I never thought it was that good. The show is much better so far.

wishbone
08-03-15, 11:06 AM
I started Cowboy Bebop this weekend and I have been enjoying it so far. The backstories are starting to pick up and hopefully build toward a satisfying conclusion. As already stated the soundtrack is very good. I will watch the movie once the series is done.

Ash Ketchum
08-03-15, 03:04 PM
One of the strengths of Cowboy Bebop is that no two episodes are alike. Some are dark and melancholic, some are light and funny. There's some social satire in them, numerous pop-cult references, and some noir-like plots. And the music style changes in every episode. I remember going to hear the director speak at the Big Apple Anime Festival back in 2002 (in NYC) and he told the audience, "I've seen more classic Hollywood films than you have," evidently referring to the vast majority of much younger audience members there and not to an old movie-saturated fart like me.

LJG765
08-03-15, 10:13 PM
It's kind of funny that you all are mentioning Cowboy Bebop. I went through one of the animation lists over at Icheckmovies and ordered as many of the last ones I haven't watched as my library had (about 5-6 of them), which of course, included Cowboy Bebop. I'm hoping I can just watch without having to watch the series...if not, I'll be very confused! :)

BobO'Link
08-04-15, 09:52 AM
It's kind of funny that you all are mentioning Cowboy Bebop. I went through one of the animation lists over at Icheckmovies and ordered as many of the last ones I haven't watched as my library had (about 5-6 of them), which of course, included Cowboy Bebop. I'm hoping I can just watch without having to watch the series...if not, I'll be very confused! :)
Based on the 12 episodes I've now seen I doubt you'll be confused. There seems to be little "continuing" story involved. While there are a few characters that show up in more than one episode, and have a bit of history with the main character, I think you could easily drop in the middle and not miss a beat.

Where I am in the series they've just added the character "Ed," whom I find to be incredibly annoying. It's the character type (frantic/bouncing around/over the top "comic relief" antics) that completely turns me off most Japanimation series and the character has the requisite artwork/animation to match (another turn off for me). What I've read about the movie indicates "Ed" is in it as well and that the film takes place sometime before the last few episodes of the series. That means Ed is in most, if not all of the last group of episodes. If so, I'm hoping the character is played down in the series. If not I'm in for a rough time during those final episodes.

shadokitty
08-04-15, 10:09 AM
I just reached the halfway point of MASK, having finished volume three of six. I'm enjoying the show, but haven't decided yet if I'll continue, or take a break to watch something else.

Ash Ketchum
08-04-15, 10:38 AM
Based on the 12 episodes I've now seen I doubt you'll be confused. There seems to be little "continuing" story involved. While there are a few characters that show up in more than one episode, and have a bit of history with the main character, I think you could easily drop in the middle and not miss a beat.

Where I am in the series they've just added the character "Ed," whom I find to be incredibly annoying. It's the character type (frantic/bouncing around/over the top "comic relief" antics) that completely turns me off most Japanimation series and the character has the requisite artwork/animation to match (another turn off for me). What I've read about the movie indicates "Ed" is in it as well and that the film takes place sometime before the last few episodes of the series. That means Ed is in most, if not all of the last group of episodes. If so, I'm hoping the character is played down in the series. If not I'm in for a rough time during those final episodes.

At the Big Apple Anime Festival in 2002, I attended a Cowboy Bebop panel at which the director, Shinichiro Watanabe, and the composer, Yoko Kanno, along with other key personnel, appeared. Watanabe made it clear, in a very cleverly told anecdote, that the character of Ed was based on Ms. Kanno and she turned away from the panel in embarrassment as everyone laughed.

I hope you're watching it in Japanese and not English, because I found Ed very funny.

coyoteblue
08-04-15, 10:54 AM
Just bought the The Mr. Magoo Theatrical Collection (1949-1959). Looking forward to cracking the set and sampling some Mr Magoo shorts. It also includes the 1001 Arabian Nights (1959) movie. I'll be picking up the Mr. Magoo: The Television Collection, 1960-1977, eventually (eventually being when the set drops to a price I like).

Hmmm, for next year's check list, maybe we could have an actors list, with voice actors like Jim Backus, Mel Blanc, June Foray, Dan Castellaneta, Jim Cummings, Ed Asner, Maurice LaMarche, etc...

Ash Ketchum
08-04-15, 10:56 AM
Hmmm, for next year's check list, maybe we could have an actors list, with voice actors like Jim Backus, Mel Blanc, June Foray, Dan Castellaneta, Jim Cummings, Ed Asner, Maurice LaMarche, etc...

...and Megumi Hayashibara, the voice of Faye Valentine in "Cowboy Bebop"...

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/cowboybebop/images/5/5b/Faye_tall.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090726171254

...and Lina Inverse in "Slayers" and the main character in PAPRIKA and a million other things. Plus she's my favorite singer in the world.

coyoteblue
08-04-15, 10:59 AM
...and Megumi Hayashibara, the voice of Faye Valentine in "Cowboy Bebop"...

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/cowboybebop/images/5/5b/Faye_tall.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090726171254

...and Lina Inverse in "Slayers" and the main character in PAPRIKA and a million other things. Plus she's my favorite singer in the world.

I concur. It wouldn't be a proper list without her.

mrcellophane
08-04-15, 01:37 PM
One of the strengths of Cowboy Bebop is that no two episodes are alike. Some are dark and melancholic, some are light and funny. There's some social satire in them, numerous pop-cult references, and some noir-like plots. And the music style changes in every episode. I remember going to hear the director speak at the Big Apple Anime Festival back in 2002 (in NYC) and he told the audience, "I've seen more classic Hollywood films than you have," evidently referring to the vast majority of much younger audience members there and not to an old movie-saturated fart like me.

At the Big Apple Anime Festival in 2002, I attended a Cowboy Bebop panel at which the director, Shinichiro Watanabe, and the composer, Yoko Kanno, along with other key personnel, appeared. Watanabe made it clear, in a very cleverly told anecdote, that the character of Ed was based on Ms. Kanno and she turned away from the panel in embarrassment as everyone laughed.

I hope you're watching it in Japanese and not English, because I found Ed very funny.

That sounds like a very entertaining panel! I watched the English dub of Cowboy Bebop, and I thought the English cast did a good job capturing the characters, especially Beau Billingslea as Jet and Wendee Lee as Faye. I'm planning to watching the series in Japanese soon, perhaps later this month. There's too many visual nods to classic films and different genres to get with one viewing.

mrcellophane
08-04-15, 02:08 PM
I started watching The Legend of Korra yesterday, and it is addictive. I'll probably finish the first season today and will have to pace myself when it comes to the rest of the series. Avatar: The Last Airbender is one of my favorite series, and while different and darker in tone, the update utilizes the world built in the original series in surprising and nuanced ways. Obviously, steampunk and its aesthetics are an inspiration, and the series expertly melds the 1920s with the fantasy world.

Warning: possible spoilers:My only gripe is with the bad guys, a activist group called the Equalists. The purport to be a group fighting for the rights of non-benders in a world ruled by benders, but have nefarious, revolutionary plans. Activists-gone-wrong is an overused trope that often raising my hackles. However, I'm reserving judgement until the storyline plays out. At this point, I have to say they have a marginal point; all the major councilmen in the governing body seem to be benders. While they also don't seem to be actively oppressing non-benders, non-representation is a type of oppression. Perhaps I'm overthinking and perhaps the show will delve more fully into these questions, but at the moment the show is treating people looking for equality as a dangerous fringe group.

shadokitty
08-04-15, 08:35 PM
I just finished my first movie of the challenge. I was in the mood for some stop motion, so dug out my copy of the original 1933 King Kong. I'd forgotten how much of the movie is on a lost world. The movie still holds up today too.

LJG765
08-04-15, 10:56 PM
I collected all the links for the 'From iCheckMovies: ' part of the checklist:
Thanks! I meant to do this earlier, but I added them to the first post so people have them listed a little easier.

Hmmm, for next year's check list, maybe we could have an actors list, with voice actors like Jim Backus, Mel Blanc, June Foray, Dan Castellaneta, Jim Cummings, Ed Asner, Maurice LaMarche, etc...
You know, I thought about this a few days ago. I was going through the sci-fi one and wondered if an animation one would be feasible. Then, I thought about the fact that more recently most of the actors now are more famous live action actors that usually do just one or two well known characters (Mike Myers-Shrek, Steve Carrell-Gru). But you have a nice core group. It's not like these have to be a long list of people. It's too late for this year's, for sure, but it'd be nice to have something ready for next August. Are there any other names that interest people?

...and Megumi Hayashibara, the voice of Faye Valentine in "Cowboy Bebop"...

...and Lina Inverse in "Slayers" and the main character in PAPRIKA and a million other things. Plus she's my favorite singer in the world.

It's always good to have a diverse group of actors/actresses. Any others you can think of?

I'll add these to the first post as people suggest them so next year we can just add any new ones people think of and don't have to redo the whole selection process.

coyoteblue
08-04-15, 11:40 PM
It's always good to have a diverse group of actors/actresses. Any others you can think of?

I'll add these to the first post as people suggest them so next year we can just add any new ones people think of and don't have to redo the whole selection process.

Bill Fagerbakke, Tom Kenny, Clancy Brown, Ron Perlman, Andrea Martin, Paul Frees, Daws Butler, Tara Strong, Edward Everett Horton, Hans Conried, Nancy Cartwright

Oh, and the link for the Annecy Festival isn't working. Remove the 'mjf314/' from the url string.

Giles
08-05-15, 10:10 AM
I just finished my first movie of the challenge. I was in the mood for some stop motion, so dug out my copy of the original 1933 King Kong. I'd forgotten how much of the movie is on a lost world. The movie still holds up today too.

Arclight Bethesda is showing the DCP of this later in the month - hope I can make it since it's on their largest screen (!)

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
08-05-15, 10:21 AM
Bill Fagerbakke, Tom Kenny, Clancy Brown, Ron Perlman, Andrea Martin, Paul Frees, Daws Butler, Tara Strong, Edward Everett Horton, Hans Conried, Nancy Cartwright

Oh, and the link for the Annecy Festival isn't working. Remove the 'mjf314/' from the url string.

Mark Hamill

coyoteblue
08-05-15, 10:57 AM
Mark Hamill

Doh!

wishbone
08-05-15, 01:45 PM
I finished Cowboy Bebop and it was certainly a satisfying conclusion. A well done series and I look forward to revisiting it again. I watched a few episodes of Blue Seed (http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Seed-Prelude-Sacrifice-Vol/dp/B00005NKCG), a DVD I got for $5, to finish the night.

I still have a lot of unwatched titles to get through for this challenge. :dance:

Giles
08-05-15, 03:26 PM
for those in the DC area - AFI Silver is screening the 1986 animated 'Transformer's movie next week in 35mm

Ash Ketchum
08-05-15, 04:04 PM
Tomorrow being the 70th anniversary of Hiroshima, might I suggest BAREFOOT GEN, a 1983 anime movie based on a manga written and drawn by a survivor of Hiroshima?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_Gen_(1983_film)

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/DfVn-19v09I/hqdefault.jpg

shadokitty
08-05-15, 05:01 PM
for those in the DC area - AFI Silver is screening the 1986 animated 'Transformer's movie next week in 35mm

The only way you could consider it in my area is if a twelve hour drive is considered my area ;)

I am watching some Hasbro now myself. Decided to watch some GI Joe this morning. I just finished part 3 of 'The MASS Device', the very first miniseries, before it became a series. There were two of them, a year apart, before the show became a regular series.

mrcellophane
08-05-15, 05:56 PM
The National Film Board of Canada has made many short films available on their YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/nfb). I noticed that some of my favorites animated shorts are included: Wild Life, The Danish Poet, Madame Tutli-Putli, among others.

Also, Cinefix put out a video highlighting their picks for the Top 10 Most Beautiful Animated Movies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Box4Clu1-1k). While the video is formatted as a top ten list, they seem more interesting in exploring the different ways that animated films achieve "beauty" and how different that can look. It's well worth watching and discussing. I will say that I took umbrage (modest umbrage) right off the bat when they "got Disney out of the way" at #10 with The Lion King. Obviously, Sleeping Beauty is the most beautiful Disney film; that's not a matter of opinion but a statement of fact.

shadokitty
08-05-15, 06:09 PM
The National Film Board of Canada has made many short films available on their YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/nfb). I noticed that some of my favorites animated shorts are included: Wild Life, The Danish Poet, Madame Tutli-Putli, among others.

Also, Cinefix put out a video highlighting their picks for the Top 10 Most Beautiful Animated Movies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Box4Clu1-1k). While the video is formatted as a top ten list, they seem more interesting in exploring the different ways that animated films achieve "beauty" and how different that can look. It's well worth watching and discussing. I will say that I took umbrage (modest umbrage) right off the bat when they "got Disney out of the way" at #10 with The Lion King. Obviously, Sleeping Beauty is the most beautiful Disney film; that's not a matter of opinion but a statement of fact.

I got Sleeping Beauty as one of my monthly titles from the Disney Movie Club. Will probably watch it this month.

shadokitty
08-05-15, 06:10 PM
Arclight Bethesda is showing the DCP of this later in the month - hope I can make it since it's on their largest screen (!)

Hope you can make it. It really is a movie that would look great on the big screen.

Ash Ketchum
08-05-15, 06:12 PM
The National Film Board of Canada has made many short films available on their YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/nfb). I noticed that some of my favorites animated shorts are included: Wild Life, The Danish Poet, Madame Tutli-Putli, among others.

Also, Cinefix put out a video highlighting their picks for the Top 10 Most Beautiful Animated Movies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Box4Clu1-1k). While the video is formatted as a top ten list, they seem more interesting in exploring the different ways that animated films achieve "beauty" and how different that can look. It's well worth watching and discussing. I will say that I took umbrage (modest umbrage) right off the bat when they "got Disney out of the way" at #10 with The Lion King. Obviously, Sleeping Beauty is the most beautiful Disney film; that's not a matter of opinion but a statement of fact.

Ten most beautiful?

BAMBI
SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS
FANTASIA
THE SNOW QUEEN
ANJU TO ZUSHIOMARU (THE LITTLEST WARRIOR)
PHOENIX 2772
LAPUTA: CASTLE IN THE SKY
MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO
WHISPER OF THE HEART

+ 1 more I'm forgetting...:D

This is from ANJU TO ZUSHIOMARU (1961):
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6443516207_0ba4faff10.jpg

Giles
08-05-15, 06:57 PM
Hope you can make it. It really is a movie that would look great on the big screen.

even movies on the Arclight's 'widescreen' screen (that has vertically masking) 1.85 presentions look really tall - this should look epic!

The National Film Board of Canada has made many short films available on their YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/nfb). I noticed that some of my favorites animated shorts are included: Wild Life, The Danish Poet, Madame Tutli-Putli, among others.

Also, Cinefix put out a video highlighting their picks for the Top 10 Most Beautiful Animated Movies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Box4Clu1-1k). While the video is formatted as a top ten list, they seem more interesting in exploring the different ways that animated films achieve "beauty" and how different that can look. It's well worth watching and discussing. I will say that I took umbrage (modest umbrage) right off the bat when they "got Disney out of the way" at #10 with The Lion King. Obviously, Sleeping Beauty is the most beautiful Disney film; that's not a matter of opinion but a statement of fact.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

mrcellophane
08-05-15, 09:39 PM
Ten most beautiful?

BAMBI
SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS
FANTASIA
THE SNOW QUEEN
ANJU TO ZUSHIOMARU (THE LITTLEST WARRIOR)
PHOENIX 2772
LAPUTA: CASTLE IN THE SKY
MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO
WHISPER OF THE HEART

+ 1 more I'm forgetting...:D

Awesome list! Anju to Zushiomaru looks gorgeous; I'll have to seek out a copy. I was inspired to make my own list. Since I'm not well versed in older, non-Disney animated films, mine skews newer.

Beauty and the Beast
Castle in the Sky
Coraline
Feral
Millennium Actress
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
Sleeping Beauty
The Land Before Time
The Painting
The Triplets of Belleville

I questioned my initial impulse to put The Land Before Time on the list, figuring it was a purely nostalgic pick. However, I looked at stills and watched some clips, and it looks amazing, despite the murky, monochromatic palette. Unfortunately, it spawned so many subpar, juvenile sequels.

coyoteblue
08-06-15, 12:38 AM
Shaun the Sheep: The Movie opened today. It's got a 99% on rottentomatoes. If you're a fan of Aardman (Wallace & Gromit, Chicken Run, Flushed Away, The Pirates! Band of Misfits) or have seen any Shaun the Sheep tv episodes, seeing it is a no brainer. Here's the trailer:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tQvwiOWpj7o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

LJG765
08-06-15, 12:42 AM
Bill Fagerbakke, Tom Kenny, Clancy Brown, Ron Perlman, Andrea Martin, Paul Frees, Daws Butler, Tara Strong, Edward Everett Horton, Hans Conried, Nancy Cartwright

Oh, and the link for the Annecy Festival isn't working. Remove the 'mjf314/' from the url string.
Added! Also, I fixed the link. They worked last year, not sure what happened! Thanks for letting me know!

Mark Hamill
Added. I was coming to add him myself, though I was going to look to see if he had done anything other than the Joker. (Watching Batman: Mask of the Phantasm right now.)

for those in the DC area - AFI Silver is screening the 1986 animated 'Transformer's movie next week in 35mm
I know someone who would love to see this! Unfortunately, they don't live near DC. Is it being screened anywhere else?
Tomorrow being the 70th anniversary of Hiroshima, might I suggest BAREFOOT GEN, a 1983 anime movie based on a manga written and drawn by a survivor of Hiroshima?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_Gen_(1983_film)
I haven't heard of this one before, I have watched Grave of the Fireflies which is quite good as well. Hard to watch though.

Also, Cinefix put out a video highlighting their picks for the Top 10 Most Beautiful Animated Movies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Box4Clu1-1k). While the video is formatted as a top ten list, they seem more interesting in exploring the different ways that animated films achieve "beauty" and how different that can look. It's well worth watching and discussing. I will say that I took umbrage (modest umbrage) right off the bat when they "got Disney out of the way" at #10 with The Lion King. Obviously, Sleeping Beauty is the most beautiful Disney film; that's not a matter of opinion but a statement of fact.
I have to admit, I agree with them about The Boxtrolls. I didn't enjoy the movie that much, but I loved the visuals. And The Lion King is pretty, but I do agree with you that there are others that are better or equally as beautiful.

I watched Prince Achmed last year I think and I thought it was cool, so I agree with that one. Think how long that had to take to do!

Waltz with Bashir is a bit stark and dark for my tastes but after hearing how it was animated, it does rate a mention on the list.

I kind of agreed about Fantastic Mr. Fox, as well. Maybe it's because I'm a Roald Dahl fan, maybe it's because when you look at it, you know exactly who the director is (and I'm not a huge Wes Anderson fan by any means, but he has a very distinct style!)

The one I think is missing, and yes, they mention Pixar but not Brave. That is one of the most beautiful movies I've watched. Ignoring Merida's hair, which is amazing, the backgrounds look real. It was one of the first times I saw an animated movie and had to look twice to see if they used real backgrounds along with animated. The rocks/mountains...awesome looking.
Awesome list! Anju to Zushiomaru looks gorgeous; I'll have to seek out a copy. I was inspired to make my own list. Since I'm not well versed in older, non-Disney animated films, mine skews newer.

Beauty and the Beast
Castle in the Sky
Coraline
Feral
Millennium Actress
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
Sleeping Beauty
The Land Before Time
The Painting
The Triplets of Belleville

I questioned my initial impulse to put The Land Before Time on the list, figuring it was a purely nostalgic pick. However, I looked at stills and watched some clips, and it looks amazing, despite the murky, monochromatic palette. Unfortunately, it spawned so many subpar, juvenile sequels.

I'll agree with Millennium Actress (were you the one who turned me onto this a year or two ago?) but I've never really enjoyed The Triplets of Belleville- I've never really liked that one and don't really enjoy the animation style.

I was trying to think of any others that need a shout out for most beautiful...but other than the the usual suspects (Miyazaki, Disney), none are coming to mind right now. I have definitely seen some beautiful animation out there. I just wished there were more that had more of a combination of great story AND great visuals. I know that's part of the problem of me remembering titles. I look and something and go, that's pretty! and then forget about it because the story was dull and forgettable...

Ash Ketchum
08-06-15, 09:10 AM
Classic Russian animation is quite beautiful. I put THE SNOW QUEEN (1956) on my list, but here's another one, THE FISHERMAN AND THE GOLDFISH (1950):

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/KG0RiHT74yk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

And THE GOLDEN ANTELOPE (1954):
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/POJBDv-k6Ms" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

shadokitty
08-06-15, 10:22 AM
I was in the mood for MASK to start my animation for the day, so began Volume 4. I expect to finish the series sometime this month.

Giles
08-06-15, 10:29 AM
Shaun the Sheep: The Movie opened today. It's got a 99% on rottentomatoes. If you're a fan of Aardman (Wallace & Gromit, Chicken Run, Flushed Away, The Pirates! Band of Misfits) or have seen any Shaun the Sheep tv episodes, seeing it is a no brainer. Here's the trailer:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tQvwiOWpj7o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

watched my bluray (region B locked) of this in June it really is a fun movie.

Giles
08-06-15, 11:16 AM
there's a Studio Ghibli Festival happening this month over at the Angelika Mosaic in Fairfax Virginia

SUMMER WARS is over at the Pop-Up Angelika intown too next Monday.

DRAGON BALL Z: RESURRECTION 'F' is also out nationally

shadokitty
08-06-15, 06:34 PM
While I'll be watching other things tonight too, I started my TV watching for the evening with more cartoons. Just finished another episode of MASK. VENOM was trying to destroy the dikes in Holland.

LJG765
08-07-15, 01:56 AM
Hey guys, just wanted to let you all know that I'll be out of touch this weekend, Saturday afternoon through Monday afternoon, with last minute plans. Friends are flying in from out of state and I'm going to go visit them. I most likely won't have access to a computer, so I've asked shadokitty to keep an eye out here! If you have questions for any reason, he'll be able to help out.

Thanks again, shadokitty!

I didn't get a chance to watch anything major today, I'm not tired yet, so I may watch a movie or at least part of one before bed...

shadokitty
08-07-15, 03:42 PM
Since I was depressed earlier today, I got a late start to the challenge today. I tried play games earlier, and then took a nap. When I woke up, I felt better and decided on some cartoons. I just finished the Ayers Rock episode of MASK.

Whiskey Warfield
08-07-15, 07:04 PM
Wow, first time viewing Akira. I do not get the love for this movie. I don't know why it's on the 1001 Movies list, either. If they just wanted an example of anime, both Vampire Hunter D and Ninja Scroll are far better than this in both animation quality and story.

LJG765
08-07-15, 11:28 PM
I watched "Pink Floyd The Wall" tonight. This was chosen more for the fact I'm down to 10 watches or so on the animation list at icheckmovies.com than that I actually wanted to watch it. Not a huge fan of the band or anything, by any means. That being said, I actually enjoyed it, sort of. I wouldn't say this was my favorite movie ever, but it definitely kept my attention. I also thought the music was pretty good, better than I was expecting. I thought that the director paired up the action on the screen with the soundtrack very well. I wasn't hoping for more (or any) dialog.

I don't think this film is for everyone though; there are quite a few disturbing images that I could have done without, but they did fit well. I don't think the director used them overmuch. It's just that type of movie.

My one major con was I was watching this because, well, it's for the animation challenge. The movie is in many animation lists, on IMDb.com, icheckmovies...the whole shebang. So, I went into it knowing nothing about it, expecting that the movie was going to be...well, animated. Not so much. There are a few really detailed animated segments, but it takes quite awhile before the first one even shows up on screen. I'm not sure I would have classified this myself as an "animated" movie. I was actually a bit disappointed that more of it wasn't animated, to be honest. Oh well. It's off my to watch list and time to move on! I plan on watching another movie before bed tonight and that will probably be the last until Monday which I'm oddly a bit disappointed about. I figured I'd be ready for a break by now coming off the Sci-fi/Fantasy challenge and right into animation, but nope, still wanting to watch! :)

LJG765
08-07-15, 11:44 PM
Oh, I almost forgot to post this! I just got the confirmation about this month's prizes! Thanks again to GoldenWheels and HamiltonBooks!

The prizes are:

1. Happiness is a Warm Blanket, Charlie Brown, Happiness is...Peanuts: Snoopy's Adventures, He's Your Dog, Charlie Brown, and You're A Good Sport, Charlie Brown

2. Archie's Weird Mysteries: The Complete Series, The Wacky World of Tex Avery V. 1, Toxic Crusaders: The Movie and The Animated Movie Guide (book)

3. The Richie Rich Scooby-Doo Show v. 1, Saturday Morning Cartoons V1: 1960s and Saturday Morning Cartoons V1:1970s

*Just as a reminder, our sponsor requests that prize winners must live in the United States.

Ash Ketchum
08-08-15, 05:48 AM
Wow, first time viewing Akira. I do not get the love for this movie. I don't know why it's on the 1001 Movies list, either. If they just wanted an example of anime, both Vampire Hunter D and Ninja Scroll are far better than this in both animation quality and story.

I didn't get AKIRA until my 5th or 6th time watching it. But I liked it enough to keep watching it until I got it. Of course, there's been so much anime like it since 1989 that it may not seem fresh anymore. But it certainly was fresh at the time. AKIRA was the anime feature that, more than any other film, propelled the movement of anime fandom in this country (the U.S.). Nobody here had seen anything like it in animation and when people came to realize there was a lot more like it (e.g. BUBBLEGUM CRISIS), anime took off, at least on the college film circuit and video rental market. Titles like NINJA SCROLL and GHOST IN THE SHELL came later. But AKIRA does get better with repeat viewings. And it retains its historical significance.

shadokitty
08-08-15, 07:00 AM
I haven't had a day when I focus on animation in quite a few days, so thought today was as good as any, especially since I think I ate some bad beef last night, and am sick to my stomach. I started what I got up, by finishing the first disc on Volume 4 of MASK.

shadokitty
08-08-15, 12:35 PM
I'm depressed today, so not going to force myself to do a marathon when my heart's not in it. I'll keep an eye on the thread today, but just gonna watch what I want.

Whiskey Warfield
08-08-15, 08:53 PM
Oh, I almost forgot to post this! I just got the confirmation about this month's prizes! Thanks again to GoldenWheels and HamiltonBooks!
The prizes are:
1. Happiness is a Warm Blanket, Charlie Brown, Happiness is...Peanuts: Snoopy's Adventures, He's Your Dog, Charlie Brown, and You're A Good Sport, Charlie Brown
2. Archie's Weird Mysteries: The Complete Series, The Wacky World of Tex Avery V. 1, Toxic Crusaders: The Movie and The Animated Movie Guide (book)
3. The Richie Rich Scooby-Doo Show v. 1, Saturday Morning Cartoons V1: 1960s and Saturday Morning Cartoons V1:1970s


Many, many thanks to GoldenWheels for all he does to support these challenges. I still have the blu of Frankenhooker I won lo these many years ago.

shadokitty
08-08-15, 09:40 PM
Many, many thanks to GoldenWheels for all he does to support these challenges. I still have the blu of Frankenhooker I won lo these many years ago.

I still have my DVD of the same movie.

When I couldn't think of a good movie, I decided to start on the Witchblade anime. It is a very good story.

Cardsfan111
08-08-15, 10:33 PM
I still have the blu of Frankenhooker I won lo these many years ago.

I think many of us can make that statement. :lol:

But yes, we're blessed by the constant support of GoldenWheels/Hamilton Books. :up:

Ash Ketchum
08-09-15, 07:28 AM
On Thursday, I went to the Al Hirschfeld exhibit at the New York Historical Society and they showed the "Rhapsody in Blue" segment from FANTASIA 2000, which relied on Hirschfeld's cartooning style for its design. This reminded me that I'd never seen FANTASIA 2000 even though I have it on DVD, so I watched it yesterday. Of the new segments included, that one's the best. (The best segment is, of course, the replay of "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" from the original 1940 film.) The rest of the segments are all very nicely animated, but something's missing. there isn't much in the way of real imagination and there's very little humor. Plus, all the celebrity hosts (Steve Martin, Bette Midler, Penn & Teller) make it look like a TV special and not a movie.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/443/20416427352_4b51475611.jpg

George Gershwin performing "Rhapsody in Blue" in the segment:
https://songofthewanderer.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/tumblr_lxri63aqln1qdomqvo1_500.jpg

And my daughter's animation history teacher, John Culhane, was caricatured in the piece, too:
http://www.cornel1801.com/disney/Fantasia-2000/3/pic4.jpg

wishbone
08-09-15, 10:25 AM
http://i61.tinypic.com/2lkzc7q.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/30nj7s4.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/24dj3u9.jpg

I watched Challenge of the GoBots (Eps 1-5) yesterday, something I have probably not seen since its debut 30 years ago. I had a good laugh with this scene though, the announcer emphatically proclaiming,

"Suddenly, Cy-Kill makes an outstanding conversion!"

:lol:

shadokitty
08-09-15, 12:13 PM
http://i61.tinypic.com/2lkzc7q.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/30nj7s4.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/24dj3u9.jpg

I watched Challenge of the GoBots (Eps 1-5) yesterday, something I have probably not seen since its debut 30 years ago. I had a good laugh with this scene though, the announcer emphatically proclaiming,

"Suddenly, Cy-Kill makes an outstanding conversion!"

:lol:

Was it on the 4th down with 30 seconds on the clock?

shadokitty
08-09-15, 02:47 PM
I was in the mood for some dinosaurs to start my challenge for today, and since both Walking with Dinosaurs, and the later Walking with Prehistoric Beasts is all CGI, I decided to watch some of that. I just finished 'Time of the Titans' on Amazon Instant Video, about the life of a diplodocus, from the time of her hatching, till she joins an adult herd.

Whiskey Warfield
08-09-15, 04:22 PM
I was in the mood for some dinosaurs to start my challenge for today, and since both Walking with Dinosaurs, and the later Walking with Prehistoric Beasts is all CGI, I decided to watch some of that.

I love that series. Walking with Monsters is my favorite.

shadokitty
08-09-15, 06:20 PM
I love that series. Walking with Monsters is my favorite.

I don't have that series yet, Just the two I previously mentioned. Just finished the episode about the pterosaurs.

mrcellophane
08-10-15, 01:43 AM
Today, I went to the 48 Hour Film Project Festival in Oklahoma City. One of my friends had participated, and I tagged along as morale support. I didn't know what to expect, but it ended up being a very enjoyable experience seeing 21 mostly good films. There were a few duds, but all held together - especially given the strict time limit. (I think my friend spelt a total of six hours over the course of the 48.

Before and after, I settled down with my cats and watched a majority of Gravitation, an anime about an up-and-coming singer (male) who falls for a romantic novelist (also male). The novelist is a brooding, mysterious type, and the musician is emotional and spastic. One smokes and scowls; the other often transforms into chibi-mood. It's fun and quirky. It doesn't really explore the gay angle, and the sexuality of the characters isn't really addressed. However, I knew going into it that it wouldn't be deep or necessarily make a lot of sense.

wishbone
08-10-15, 09:35 AM
I watched The Adventures of Mark Twain yesterday -- another one I have not seen since the '80s. I didn't realize that Mark Vinton (http://priceonomics.com/how-the-father-of-claymation-lost-his-company/) was the man of claymation. He addressed the oft-mentioned piece The Mysterious Stranger (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmG509hTs3A) in his commentary:&nbsp;&nbsp;He stated that his intention was not to make a kid-oriented film but he understood why people would think that given his medium of stop motion animation.

http://i.imgur.com/PofVEEG.jpg
LINK (www.moviemail.com/images/large/The-Adventures-of-Mark-Twain-31453_4.jpg)

I still love the design of the airship and the concept of the Indexivator (http://petervonbrown.blogspot.com/2008/07/pirandexcellent.html) is pretty cool.

Giles
08-10-15, 11:00 AM
^ oh that's one bluray I gotta watch

been watching the last season of 'Futurama' - with the commentary tracks - they're a scream.

shadokitty
08-10-15, 11:12 AM
I started today by finishing Walking with Dinosaurs. The last episode dealt with a Tyrannosaurus Rex raising two chicks right before the comet hit.

Giles
08-10-15, 01:52 PM
Bitzer exclaims "Go See Shaun the Sheep movie'

http://www.shaunthesheep.be/shaunthesheep/foto/250/bitzer-1.jpg

Ash Ketchum
08-10-15, 02:56 PM
I wanted to see this in a theater during its limited run this past week, but the only theater in NYC showing it has sold out its entire run:

http://www.classiccinemas.com/userimages/images/DragonBallZ.jpg

So I watched some Dragon Ball Z Kai eps. on Cartoon Network this past weekend instead.

shadokitty
08-10-15, 06:16 PM
Since I finished Walking with Dinosaurs earlier today, I decided to start on
Walking with Beasts. The top predator in the first episode is a giant bird.

LJG765
08-10-15, 07:10 PM
I'm back! Thanks to shadokitty for keeping an eye out here this weekend! :) Had a good time visiting with my friends but am exhausted! 5 hours in the car today plus a dentist visit...ugh! Worth it though. :)

Bitzer exclaims "Go See Shaun the Sheep movie'

http://www.shaunthesheep.be/shaunthesheep/foto/250/bitzer-1.jpg
Saw this previewed at the last movie I went to and thought it looked cute. That good?

Many, many thanks to GoldenWheels for all he does to support these challenges. I still have the blu of Frankenhooker I won lo these many years ago.

Definitely! GoldenWheels does a lot for these challenges and as a host, I've very appreciative of everything he does, along with HamiltonBooks! They are both very generous!

shadokitty
08-10-15, 07:16 PM
I was glad to help out. It was no problem at all. :)

shadokitty
08-10-15, 07:58 PM
YouTube has a lot of good, classic cartoons. I just finished a Bugs Bunny cartoon, and last night, I watched a Tennessee Tuxedo cartoon.

Giles
08-10-15, 08:01 PM
I'm back! Thanks to shadokitty for keeping an eye out here this weekend! :) Had a good time visiting with my friends but am exhausted! 5 hours in the car today plus a dentist visit...ugh! Worth it though. :)


Saw this previewed at the last movie I went to and thought it looked cute. That good?



Definitely! GoldenWheels does a lot for these challenges and as a host, I've very appreciative of everything he does, along with HamiltonBooks! They are both very generous!

for 83 minute movie devoid of dialogue - and it was funny and held my attention AND a rotten tomatoes rating of 99% - the critics aren't wrong about it..

shadokitty
08-10-15, 08:14 PM
I wanted to see this in a theater during its limited run this past week, but the only theater in NYC showing it has sold out its entire run:

http://www.classiccinemas.com/userimages/images/DragonBallZ.jpg

So I watched some Dragon Ball Z Kai eps. on Cartoon Network this past weekend instead.

That reminds me. A few months ago I bought Dragonball Z: Battle of the Gods on Amazon Instant Video. Will probably watch it some time this month.

Trevor
08-10-15, 09:00 PM
New Disney short, Lava, is streaming on their DMA app. Meh.

Cardsfan111
08-10-15, 09:12 PM
New Disney short, Lava, is streaming on their DMA app. Meh.

Just seeing your post has that song stuck in my head. :D

Trevor
08-10-15, 09:42 PM
^ Now it's in mine! :hairpull:

It's actually not a bad little tune.

LJG765
08-10-15, 10:26 PM
for 83 minute movie devoid of dialogue - and it was funny and held my attention AND a rotten tomatoes rating of 99% - the critics aren't wrong about it..

Hmm, my nieces are coming to visit towards the end of the month...I may have to take them to it!

New Disney short, Lava, is streaming on their DMA app. Meh.
I kind of liked it...

^ Now it's in mine! :hairpull:

It's actually not a bad little tune.

And mine! I liked it and I'm not ashamed to say it! Was it their best one? Eh, probably not-my favorite is probably "Partly Cloudy" though it's hard to just pick one. But maybe it's because I'm a fan of Hawaiian music, I liked it. :)

Giles
08-10-15, 10:46 PM
Hmm, my nieces are coming to visit towards the end of the month...I may have to take them to it!




not may, "ought to" :)

this should have been in the top ten over last weekend - sadly it wasn't coming in at #11 - 'Pixels' at #9 ... what is wrong with you America??? (you have a movie which receives unanimous praise, it's a kid's movie that also has adult appeal this should be a no-brainer)

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
08-11-15, 11:59 AM
not may, "ought to" :)

this should have been in the top ten over last weekend - sadly it wasn't coming in at #11 - 'Pixels' at #9 ... what is wrong with you America??? (you have a movie which receives unanimous praise, it's a kid's movie that also has adult appeal this should be a no-brainer)

Nothing's wrong with Pixels, you young whipper snapper that doesn't remember Adam Sandler from when he did the same stuff early on as nearly every other comedian does.

LJG765
08-11-15, 01:54 PM
not may, "ought to" :)

this should have been in the top ten over last weekend - sadly it wasn't coming in at #11 - 'Pixels' at #9 ... what is wrong with you America??? (you have a movie which receives unanimous praise, it's a kid's movie that also has adult appeal this should be a no-brainer)

The "may" comes in if they have already watched it! It is summer still and their parents might take them, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed. :)

I'm with you on that one! I have no desire to watch "Pixels" or Adam Sandler. I've never enjoyed him even though he was big when I was growing up. I have liked a grand total of one of his films, "The Wedding Singer," and that's it. He was pretty funny on SNL but I never got how he was able to make a film career. But then again, I don't know how Will Farrell did it either, and he's pretty popular too.

I'd much rather watch Wallace and Gromit!

shadokitty
08-11-15, 02:08 PM
I had to take my dog to the vet today, so got a late start. When I got home, I continued Walking with Prehistoric Beasts, and watched an episode about a prehistoric whale's search for food.

coyoteblue
08-11-15, 02:26 PM
Yesterday I noticed that Song of the Sea, by the same director as The Secret of Kells, is on Amazon Prime.

shadokitty
08-11-15, 02:46 PM
I'm halfway through Walking with Prehistoric Beasts. Just finished an episode about a giant animal whose name I can't even begin to spell. ;)

shadokitty
08-11-15, 06:01 PM
I have a question. Since the moths in the Rebirth of Mothra series are puppets, would they count, or should I use my wild cards on the trilogy?

LJG765
08-11-15, 06:23 PM
I had to take my dog to the vet today, so got a late start. When I got home, I continued Walking with Prehistoric Beasts, and watched an episode about a prehistoric whale's search for food.

Hope it wasn't for anything serious!

I have a question. Since the moths in the Rebirth of Mothra series are puppets, would they count, or should I use my wild cards on the trilogy?

I haven't watched this, but I'd say that if the moths are in 50% or more of the film, then yes, they'd count. If it's much less than that, use a wildcard.

Watching "Cowboy Bebop: The Movie" right now and have a question for fans of this. The dialog is in Japanese (using subtitles) but the music is in English. Also, when they access databases, the words are also in English. This doesn't seem to be part of a translation, it seems to be how it was originally done. I haven't watched a ton of Japanese animation/anime, but what I have watched usually has these sort of things in the language it was created in. Is it that I just haven't watched the right sorts of anime or is this unique to this movie? Just curious...

shadokitty
08-11-15, 06:39 PM
Hope it wasn't for anything serious!





No, nothing too serious. He had to be put out, and is still groggy, but it was just to have a toenail cut that was growing into his paw.

I haven't watched them in a while, but I remember them being in at least half of the movie.

One thing I like about the Happily Ever After Fairy Tales series, is every effort has some great songs. I just finished 'Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves' on HBO On Demand.

BobO'Link
08-11-15, 06:42 PM
Watching "Cowboy Bebop: The Movie" right now and have a question for fans of this. The dialog is in Japanese (using subtitles) but the music is in English. Also, when they access databases, the words are also in English. This doesn't seem to be part of a translation, it seems to be how it was originally done. I haven't watched a ton of Japanese animation/anime, but what I have watched usually has these sort of things in the language it was created in. Is it that I just haven't watched the right sorts of anime or is this unique to this movie? Just curious...
I don't know for sure as I'm still in the process of a first viewing of the series... BUT... what I've seen so far makes it seem that the series was produced primarily for a English speaking audience as, like you've indicated for the movie, screens and signs all seem to be in English. The lip sync also seems to fit English better than the Japanese track. I'm watching the series in English for those reasons (as well as it being recommended) plus that the subtitles frequently don't quite empart the same meaning or as much information as does the English audio track.

LJG765
08-11-15, 09:16 PM
No, nothing too serious. He had to be put out, and is still groggy, but it was just to have a toenail cut that was growing into his paw.

I haven't watched them in a while, but I remember them being in at least half of the movie.
:thumbsup: Glad it isn't too serious!

I don't know for sure as I'm still in the process of a first viewing of the series... BUT... what I've seen so far makes it seem that the series was produced primarily for a English speaking audience as, like you've indicated for the movie, screens and signs all seem to be in English. The lip sync also seems to fit English better than the Japanese track. I'm watching the series in English for those reasons (as well as it being recommended) plus that the subtitles frequently don't quite empart the same meaning or as much information as does the English audio track.

Hmm, the DVD started automatically, right into the movie with the subtitles on and the Japanese language track. Looks like there is an English track, though. I'm kind of surprised that whoever did the DVD didn't set it up the opposite, then!

I have to admit I'm enjoying it. It took a bit to get into the film, but now that I am, it's pretty good. I don't think I'm going to go look for the series, but if I stumble across it, I might give it a watch. I also kind of enjoyed Evangelion 1.01 and Ghost in the Shell, though that one not as much.

LJG765
08-11-15, 10:50 PM
So, my Google-fu has failed me and I'm hoping someone here might help! What are some non-fiction animated movies other than "Waltz with Bashir" and "Persepolis?" I've tried a few different ways of searching but I keep on getting results for sci-fi animated movies or anime.

I've looked at people's checklist's this year, but don't see that anyone has watched anything for it. Have people had problem's in the past finding new material for this? Should we talk about removing this one from the checklist from lack of options? Or at least move it to where people have a choice of using that one or not?

Oh, I also noticed that 2014's Saturn Award winner is not on the icheckmovie's list. It's "The Lego Movie" for those who do the checklists.

Giles
08-11-15, 11:15 PM
watched Strange Magic tonight - yes... THAT movie

what .. the [email protected]#$% ???

I have no idea who this was trying to appeal to, the use of the modern songs were just so odd and jarring. The animation and soundmix are stunning, but it can save the other apparent blatant flaws of the movie.

coyoteblue
08-11-15, 11:53 PM
So, my Google-fu has failed me and I'm hoping someone here might help! What are some non-fiction animated movies other than "Waltz with Bashir" and "Persepolis?" I've tried a few different ways of searching but I keep on getting results for sci-fi animated movies or anime.

I've looked at people's checklist's this year, but don't see that anyone has watched anything for it. Have people had problem's in the past finding new material for this? Should we talk about removing this one from the checklist from lack of options? Or at least move it to where people have a choice of using that one or not?

Oh, I also noticed that 2014's Saturn Award winner is not on the icheckmovie's list. It's "The Lego Movie" for those who do the checklists.

Try the Prelinger collection (https://archive.org/details/prelinger?and[]=subject%3A%22Animation%22) at archive.org, the only caveat is that they're all shorts. Oh, and the exact wording is 'Watch a work of animated non-fiction [i.e., Waltz with Bashir, etc.]', the example is feature length, but I took it to mean any non-fiction animated work.

LJG765
08-12-15, 02:34 AM
Try the Prelinger collection (https://archive.org/details/prelinger?and[]=subject%3A%22Animation%22) at archive.org, the only caveat is that they're all shorts. Oh, and the exact wording is 'Watch a work of animated non-fiction [i.e., Waltz with Bashir, etc.]', the example is feature length, but I took it to mean any non-fiction animated work.

Of course shorts count! The problem is I can't find a list or recommendations anywhere. I've found a college course but no help there as there aren't any references listed!

Took a look at the Prelinger Collection and that does look good, but just to warn anyone else not all of them will count. I just watched, "A Ride for Cinderella." While yes, Cinderella does make her way home in a Chevrolet, the talking gnome riding a "horsehopper" is not exactly non-fiction. :) It is, however, fairly awesome short with a flying ghost sea monster who has it out for old Cindy.

"A for Atom" does look like it'll do the trick if someone is looking for an eligible title like I was!

shadokitty
08-12-15, 06:19 AM
I woke up early today, since I was in pain, and didn't feel too good, so I decided to start today's Chinese viewing before my parents take me out for my birthday. I started by finishing the last episode of Walking with Prehistoric Beasts, which dealt with both the mammoths, and early humans.

Ash Ketchum
08-12-15, 07:00 AM
Watching "Cowboy Bebop: The Movie" right now and have a question for fans of this. The dialog is in Japanese (using subtitles) but the music is in English. Also, when they access databases, the words are also in English. This doesn't seem to be part of a translation, it seems to be how it was originally done. I haven't watched a ton of Japanese animation/anime, but what I have watched usually has these sort of things in the language it was created in. Is it that I just haven't watched the right sorts of anime or is this unique to this movie? Just curious...

I don't know for sure as I'm still in the process of a first viewing of the series... BUT... what I've seen so far makes it seem that the series was produced primarily for a English speaking audience as, like you've indicated for the movie, screens and signs all seem to be in English. The lip sync also seems to fit English better than the Japanese track. I'm watching the series in English for those reasons (as well as it being recommended) plus that the subtitles frequently don't quite empart the same meaning or as much information as does the English audio track.

Sometimes anime filmmakers making works set in the future (like "Cowboy Bebop") understand that signs on Earth colonies are much more likely to be in English than in Japanese. In other anime, when you see signs on a space station in the far future that are in Japanese, it's a case (like Japan's hopes of forcing the U.S. to sue for peace back in World War II) of simple wishful thinking.

As much as Shinichiro Watanabe revels in American pop culture, he did not make "Cowboy Bebop" for an American audience. Unlike other Japanese animators, however, who usually don't care about the world outside of Japan, he was quite pleased when it succeeded in the U.S. and came here to promote the series at anime cons and such (as I've recounted in previous posts either here or in the Sci-Fi Challenge thread).

As for why the lip movements seem to match the English-dubbed dialogue, it's because American voice actors make an extra effort to make the match, while Japanese actors don't. American audiences expect the lip movements to match, Japanese audiences don't. To my ears, Japanese voice actors work much more on the characterizations, while American voice actors, more often than not, just read the lines. However, I do find it annoying when a character's lips start moving and the Japanese actor's voice comes in a beat later.

Lots of Japanese animation features songs in English. I remember stumbling across an end song by Dara Sedaka (daughter of American pop singer Neil Sedaka) at the end of "Queen Millennia," which never got released in the U.S. As I mentioned in a previous post, one of the singers on the "Cowboy Bebop" soundtrack was Emily Bindiger, a New York singer whom I remember from high school (decades ago) and who was initially recruited by Japanese female composer Yuki Kajiura for the anime series, "./hack.sign" because she liked her voice. Tons of American singers have done songs for anime soundtracks and Japanese singers will often sing songs entirely in English on these soundtracks.

BobO'Link
08-12-15, 09:55 AM
Sometimes anime filmmakers making works set in the future (like "Cowboy Bebop") understand that signs on Earth colonies are much more likely to be in English than in Japanese. In other anime, when you see signs on a space station in the far future that are in Japanese, it's a case (like Japan's hopes of forcing the U.S. to sue for peace back in World War II) of simple wishful thinking.

As much as Shinichiro Watanabe revels in American pop culture, he did not make "Cowboy Bebop" for an American audience. Unlike other Japanese animators, however, who usually don't care about the world outside of Japan, he was quite pleased when it succeeded in the U.S. and came here to promote the series at anime cons and such (as I've recounted in previous posts either here or in the Sci-Fi Challenge thread).

...

Lots of Japanese animation features songs in English. I remember stumbling across an end song by Dara Sedaka (daughter of American pop singer Neil Sedaka) at the end of "Queen Millennia," which never got released in the U.S. As I mentioned in a previous post, one of the singers on the "Cowboy Bebop" soundtrack was Emily Bindiger, a New York singer whom I remember from high school (decades ago) and who was initially recruited by Japanese female composer Yuki Kajiura for the anime series, "./hack.sign" because she liked her voice. Tons of American singers have done songs for anime soundtracks and Japanese singers will often sing songs entirely in English on these soundtracks.
That makes sense. I know I tend to view films from a somewhat America centric stance and just assume other cultures do the same, although I know that's not the case. It's interesting that Watanabe created the series from a somewhat realistic (? - fatalistic?) viewpoint of English speaking races establishing most extraterrestrial colonies and, although the monetary system seems to be Chinese, the signage would all be in English, including that of the ships.
As for why the lip movements seem to match the English-dubbed dialogue, it's because American voice actors make an extra effort to make the match, while Japanese actors don't. American audiences expect the lip movements to match, Japanese audiences don't. To my ears, Japanese voice actors work much more on the characterizations, while American voice actors, more often than not, just read the lines. However, I do find it annoying when a character's lips start moving and the Japanese actor's voice comes in a beat later.
There's absolutely no excuse for mouths to move before a voice sounds. While all voice actors typically use a visual track for pacing purposes editing the audio track to better fit the video is a simple matter. Not doing so points to sloppy post production/editing.

I disagree about your comment that "American voice actors, more often than not, just read the lines." While I feel that's typically true of "stars" or "names" used for voicing animation (i.e. "Hey! Let's get [insert famous actor] because people will flock to our sub-par product just for them!) it's *not* true of "real" voice actors (those who make their livings doing just voice work). In all fairness to those "actors" it could be simply bad direction or them just not understanding what it takes to deliver a "good" voice performance, which is quite different than what's "good" when in front of a camera.

IMHO most 60s/70s (and some "modern") "Saturday morning" TV animations have better voice acting than almost any of today's bloated, star studded, productions. Of course there are exceptions. Mark Hamill as "The Joker" in "Batman The Animated Series" is a standout performance, as is almost every other voice in that series. Craig T. Nelson in The Incredibles was outstanding and one whom I did *not* recognize until I was told it was him as the voice of Mr. Incredible. But that's another outstanding work by almost everyone involved.

I could go on but I'd agree with your comment only if "movie stars" are the voice actors and not those who make it a profession.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
08-12-15, 11:30 AM
watched Strange Magic tonight - yes... THAT movie

what .. the [email protected]#$% ???

I have no idea who this was trying to appeal to, the use of the modern songs were just so odd and jarring. The animation and soundmix are stunning, but it can save the other apparent blatant flaws of the movie.

I watched that in the theater. I liked it better than I thought I would but the marketing such as posters, was completely off compared to what it was really about.

I did find the music use to be odd.

I've seen worse, I guess.

Ash Ketchum
08-12-15, 11:31 AM
I disagree about your comment that "American voice actors, more often than not, just read the lines." While I feel that's typically true of "stars" or "names" used for voicing animation (i.e. "Hey! Let's get [insert famous actor] because people will flock to our sub-par product just for them!) it's *not* true of "real" voice actors (those who make their livings doing just voice work). In all fairness to those "actors" it could be simply bad direction or them just not understanding what it takes to deliver a "good" voice performance, which is quite different than what's "good" when in front of a camera.

IMHO most 60s/70s (and some "modern") "Saturday morning" TV animations have better voice acting than almost any of today's bloated, star studded, productions. Of course there are exceptions. Mark Hamill as "The Joker" in "Batman The Animated Series" is a standout performance, as is almost every other voice in that series. Craig T. Nelson in The Incredibles was outstanding and one whom I did *not* recognize until I was told it was him as the voice of Mr. Incredible. But that's another outstanding work by almost everyone involved.

I could go on but I'd agree with your comment only if "movie stars" are the voice actors and not those who make it a profession.

I was referring specifically to the voice actors used exclusively for anime, most of whom are based far from the acting capitals of L.A. and New York. Those anime series dubbed in L.A. and New York benefit from the wealth of talent available, but those are the exceptions. (And Ghibli films are in a class by themselves, since top talents clamor to work on those films.) There's an outfit in Texas that does all the Funimation and ADV titles and an outfit in Vancouver that does pretty much everything else and, to my ears, they sound like amateurs. And when I've seen extras featuring these actors at work, I'm somewhat startled at how young and unformed they are, like fanboys (and girls) suddenly given the opportunity to dub anime. When there are black characters in the anime, they use white actors to voice them with "black" accents and when there are old characters, they use young actors to voice them trying to sound mature. It's ridiculous. This is why I watch anime subtitled whenever I can.

wishbone
08-12-15, 12:36 PM
I started to watch Wallace and Gromit's World of Invention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_and_Gromit%27s_World_of_Invention) last night since it would be a first time view and I could check Nick Park off of the checklist only to realize that it's a live action science show hosted by Wallace and Gromit. :doh: So much for that blind buy... :lol:

So after watching The Phantom Tollbooth ("What will become of Mi-lo?...") I watched the first episode of Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons. S.I.G.

BobO'Link
08-12-15, 02:15 PM
I was referring specifically to the voice actors used exclusively for anime, most of whom are based far from the acting capitals of L.A. and New York. Those anime series dubbed in L.A. and New York benefit from the wealth of talent available, but those are the exceptions. (And Ghibli films are in a class by themselves, since top talents clamor to work on those films.) There's an outfit in Texas that does all the Funimation and ADV titles and an outfit in Vancouver that does pretty much everything else and, to my ears, they sound like amateurs. And when I've seen extras featuring these actors at work, I'm somewhat startled at how young and unformed they are, like fanboys (and girls) suddenly given the opportunity to dub anime. When there are black characters in the anime, they use white actors to voice them with "black" accents and when there are old characters, they use young actors to voice them trying to sound mature. It's ridiculous. This is why I watch anime subtitled whenever I can.
Again, interesting information! I can see why you would do that with anime with such practices. I'd probably do the same if I watched that style of animation more often. I just assumed the producers would use professional talent so as to get the best possible product in the marketplace. You would think I'd know better considering the rather bad English dubbing on most foreign films, especially those produced primarily for Japan and China and later exported to the US.

LJG765
08-12-15, 03:31 PM
Sometimes anime filmmakers making works set in the future (like "Cowboy Bebop") understand that signs on Earth colonies are much more likely to be in English than in Japanese. In other anime, when you see signs on a space station in the far future that are in Japanese, it's a case (like Japan's hopes of forcing the U.S. to sue for peace back in World War II) of simple wishful thinking.
This whole discussion is very interesting! I had no idea about any of it. Thanks for sharing! Like I mentioned before, I've only dabbled in the anime/Japanese animation a bit. Studio Ghibli and a few others. I've watched a handful this challenge and I'm glad I did. They've turned out completely different than what I was imagining and in a good way.
I woke up early today, since I was in pain, and didn't feel too good, so I decided to start today's Chinese viewing before my parents take me out for my birthday. I started by finishing the last episode of Walking with Prehistoric Beasts, which dealt with both the mammoths, and early humans.

I forgot to mention this one for the non-fiction animation. But please correct me if I'm wrong! I totally forgot I have "Allosaurus: A Walking with Dinosaurs special" that would work, too.

Ash Ketchum
08-12-15, 03:54 PM
Again, interesting information! I can see why you would do that with anime with such practices. I'd probably do the same if I watched that style of animation more often. I just assumed the producers would use professional talent so as to get the best possible product in the marketplace. You would think I'd know better considering the rather bad English dubbing on most foreign films, especially those produced primarily for Japan and China and later exported to the US.

Because of the low profit margins on anime, English dubbing doesn't pay much. I'm guessing that a popular show like Pokemon paid a little more than usual because of its popularity and the fact that its voice cast (at least in its first eight seasons) were all theater-trained New York actors (and did an excellent job) and tried to match the Japanese voices from the original as closely as possible. And I'm sure Studio Ghibli films pay more, although given the caliber of actors hired for Ghibli films (Patrick Stewart, Mark Hamill, Uma Thurman, Michael Keaton, Kirsten Dunst, Phil Hartman, Cloris Leachman, James Caan, Lucy Liu, Chloe Grace Moretz, etc.), I'm guessing the name actors are willing to take a cut in pay for the prestige of doing a Ghibli film.

Speaking of which, WHEN MARNIE WAS THERE, Ghibli's most recent film, has an excellent English dub track, with a cast led by Hailee Steinfeld, Ellen Burstyn, Geena Davis, John C. Reilly and Kathy Bates. It's also a wonderful film and, dare I say it, Ghibli's best, IMHO, since PRINCESS MONONOKE.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7718/18042540322_f03703b5bb.jpg

shadokitty
08-12-15, 04:23 PM
This whole discussion is very interesting! I had no idea about any of it. Thanks for sharing! Like I mentioned before, I've only dabbled in the anime/Japanese animation a bit. Studio Ghibli and a few others. I've watched a handful this challenge and I'm glad I did. They've turned out completely different than what I was imagining and in a good way.


I forgot to mention this one for the non-fiction animation. But please correct me if I'm wrong! I totally forgot I have "Allosaurus: A Walking with Dinosaurs special" that would work, too.

I haven't seen that one, but all of the other walking with series are animated, so I don't see why Allosaurus would be any different.

shadokitty
08-12-15, 05:18 PM
I just finished the first episode of Marvel's Avengers Assemble. It was watchable, but nothing extremely special. It seemed like it was more of a cash in on the popularity of the movie.

coyoteblue
08-12-15, 07:36 PM
I just finished the first episode of Marvel's Avengers Assemble. It was watchable, but nothing extremely special. It seemed like it was more of a cash in on the popularity of the movie.

Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes was way better, dare I say, within shouting distance of JLU.

shadokitty
08-13-15, 03:17 AM
I've been working my way through another non fiction animation, Prehistoric Predators. It's not total animation like the Walking with series, but at least half of every episode is animated. I just finished the episode on the short faced bear.

shadokitty
08-13-15, 07:00 AM
While looking for something on Dish to start the challenge off with, I came across a cute show on Nicktoons, called Breadwinners. While I probably won't make any special effort to make sure I don't miss it, I would watch the show again.

coyoteblue
08-13-15, 09:05 PM
I've run out of MLP: Friendship is Magic episodes again...bummer. The second half of season five isn't until September. I wonder if Netflix will get them as they're released or will have to wait until the end of the season. :(

I have been doing some research and have found some interesting stuff, some of which I hope to watch. I was going to start with Princess Iron Fan (1941), but decided to go with Niko: The Journey To Magika (2014) instead.

shadokitty
08-13-15, 10:01 PM
I just finished an episode of The Cleveland Show on Cartoon Network. I've only seen a couple episodes so far, but it almost seems as good as Family Guy.

Trevor
08-13-15, 10:20 PM
Binging on my first Bob's Burgers tonight. I think I love it. Besides the obvious voice talent, I'm guessing there is some creative types from Home Movies involved, which was nearly perfect.

shadokitty
08-13-15, 11:13 PM
I just broke open my prize from the Sci Fi Challenge, and watched the first episode of Thunderbirds. I hadn't seen the show in years, but it still holds up, being a great show.

Giles
08-13-15, 11:20 PM
saw Transformers: The Movie (1986) over at AFI Silver - what an odd fun movie. talk about action, action, action. I was little lost on who was who, but that really didn't matter

shadokitty
08-13-15, 11:31 PM
saw Transformers: The Movie (1986) over at AFI Silver - what an odd fun movie. talk about action, action, action. I was little lost on who was who, but that really didn't matter

That's understandable. New characters introduced, and old ones getting killed off and all.

I'm enjoying the Commander McBragg shorts on YouTube. I hadn't seen them in years.

N8 Storm
08-14-15, 12:16 AM
saw Transformers: The Movie (1986) over at AFI Silver - what an odd fun movie. talk about action, action, action. I was little lost on who was who, but that really didn't matterIt is one of my favorite animated movies. I remember watching it back in the day and being shocked at a lot of the older characters getting killed off when nothing like that really happened in the series. I guess that is one way to make room for the new toys.

LJG765
08-14-15, 03:07 AM
I just broke open my prize from the Sci Fi Challenge, and watched the first episode of Thunderbirds. I hadn't seen the show in years, but it still holds up, being a great show.

So glad you're getting to use your prize from last month! Glad it still holds up, too. I've had bad luck with a couple of shows I loved as a kid that just don't hold up as I've gotten older.

saw Transformers: The Movie (1986) over at AFI Silver - what an odd fun movie. talk about action, action, action. I was little lost on who was who, but that really didn't matter

I totally agree with this. It was so heavy on the action and the characters just get a bit lost.

shadokitty
08-14-15, 06:01 AM
Woke up early, and decided to start on my challenge viewing for today. I just finished Volume 4 of MASK. Got 4 discs left before I finish the show.

BobO'Link
08-14-15, 10:37 AM
I finished Cowboy Bebop a couple of days ago. With the seemingly increasing appearances and screen time of the absolutely annoying (to me) character "Ed" I became less and less interested. So much so that I didn't bother with the last 3 episodes as they were on the next disc and I didn't want to bother after the last set of 6 I'd watched.

The case on the copy I received was damaged and I was going to submit a replacement request but changed my mind after the viewing and, considering I was unlikely to do a repeat viewing anytime in the future, was able to obtain a refund instead. Keep in mind that I generally dislike anime of any type and that played a large part in my decision. As the series progressed I found there were just too many tropes from that form to suit my tastes in spite of this one having possibly the fewest I've seen in a anime type series.

coyoteblue
08-14-15, 01:58 PM
I finished Cowboy Bebop a couple of days ago. With the seemingly increasing appearances and screen time of the absolutely annoying (to me) character "Ed" I became less and less interested. So much so that I didn't bother with the last 3 episodes as they were on the next disc and I didn't want to bother after the last set of 6 I'd watched.

The case on the copy I received was damaged and I was going to submit a replacement request but changed my mind after the viewing and, considering I was unlikely to do a repeat viewing anytime in the future, was able to obtain a refund instead. Keep in mind that I generally dislike anime of any type and that played a large part in my decision. As the series progressed I found there were just too many tropes from that form to suit my tastes in spite of this one having possibly the fewest I've seen in a anime type series.

Maybe you should try Neon Genesis Evangelion, sure there's kids, but you get to watch them suffer. Alot.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
08-14-15, 04:22 PM
Maybe you should try Neon Genesis Evangelion, sure there's kids, but you get to watch them suffer. Alot.

I've seen a few Evangelion films and in each of them, there's some threat that pops up at the beginning and the only person that can possibly save the day is some kid that is naturally good at driving a robot but he's unstable or emotionally immature, so some other person on the good side doesn't think the kid should do it. The kid eventually gets better at robot driving, because he'll have caused some accidents during the first fight but at the end he saves the day and then a bunch of crazy shit happens too that might make sense if one followed the series.

They all reminded me of Robotech that did the same thing except for the crazy shit at the end like crucifixions showing up for some reason.

That being said, I didn't mind watching them once but watching others felt like rewatching the first one and I have no desire to see a different one following the same basic storyline. All I've seen out of the series is just a few of the films and I've never looked into what's gone on in the universe other that from what I've seen.

Is the regular series any different and do other films in the series have different plots? It just didn't sit right with me that a series that gave the appearance of a grand scale basically recycled itself over and over.

LJG765
08-14-15, 04:26 PM
I finished Cowboy Bebop a couple of days ago. With the seemingly increasing appearances and screen time of the absolutely annoying (to me) character "Ed" I became less and less interested. So much so that I didn't bother with the last 3 episodes as they were on the next disc and I didn't want to bother after the last set of 6 I'd watched.
I just watched the movie of this and I agree about "Ed." She was the worst character. The rest of the movie was pretty good. I enjoyed it, but I'm glad I didn't watch the series as I think she'd have driven me nuts with her voice.

Maybe you should try Neon Genesis Evangelion, sure there's kids, but you get to watch them suffer. Alot.

That is very true. Just watched the first movie and the main boy character just couldn't catch a break. His dad...yeah.

I've seen a few Evangelion films and in each of them, there's some threat that pops up at the beginning and the only person that can possibly save the day is some kid that is naturally good at driving a robot but he's unstable or emotionally immature, so some other person on the good side doesn't think the kid should do it. The kid eventually gets better at robot driving, because he'll have caused some accidents during the first fight but at the end he saves the day and then a bunch of crazy shit happens too that might make sense if one followed the series.

This kind of sums it up for me. The kid is whiny and annoying, though I think his dad is an ass, too. I still have the last two movies to watch so I can knock them off my "to watch" list this month, but I can't say that I'm looking forward to them.

shadokitty
08-14-15, 04:53 PM
Since I'm nearing the end of MASK, I'm debating starting another DVD series. Thunderbirds will always be a possibility anyways, because I don't lump in Blu Rays in the same group as DVD's.

I just finished another episode of Prehistoric Predators. This episode was about the Hyenaedon. After I finish this show, I rented Allosaurus on Amazon Instant Video. If there had been a buy option, I would have bought it instead.

Ash Ketchum
08-14-15, 09:52 PM
I finished Cowboy Bebop a couple of days ago. With the seemingly increasing appearances and screen time of the absolutely annoying (to me) character "Ed" I became less and less interested. So much so that I didn't bother with the last 3 episodes as they were on the next disc and I didn't want to bother after the last set of 6 I'd watched.

The case on the copy I received was damaged and I was going to submit a replacement request but changed my mind after the viewing and, considering I was unlikely to do a repeat viewing anytime in the future, was able to obtain a refund instead. Keep in mind that I generally dislike anime of any type and that played a large part in my decision. As the series progressed I found there were just too many tropes from that form to suit my tastes in spite of this one having possibly the fewest I've seen in a anime type series.

Hmmm...a tough nut to crack you are, Bob. I'm trying to think of anime that's the polar opposite of BEBOP to recommend to you. I've had luck with civilians when I've recommended the Miyazakis, esp. CASTLE IN THE SKY and MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO, both theatrical films. (And make sure your grandchildren are there also.) As for series, how about a hardcore anime sci-fi nonstop action series like "Armored Trooper Votoms"? Or a straightforward historical drama series like "Rose of Versailles"? Or the Rurouni Kenshin OAV spin-offs known in the U.S. as "Samurai X"? They're the anime equivalent of Japanese samurai films. Just some suggestions.

Giles
08-14-15, 11:41 PM
It is one of my favorite animated movies. I remember watching it back in the day and being shocked at a lot of the older characters getting killed off when nothing like that really happened in the series. I guess that is one way to make room for the new toys.

and the one utterance of 'shit' in the movie - the kid behind me let out a little gasp


did anyone see the new Mickey Mouse short on Disney Channel tonight? - 'One Man Band' - it was pretty funny.

shadokitty
08-15-15, 10:46 AM
I've figured out a good way to approach the challenge. Every now and then, I'll do a full animation day, but for the most part, during the day I watch what I want, but come the time when everyone is in for the night, I binge on animation.

BobO'Link
08-15-15, 02:27 PM
I went "traditional" last night and this morning by watching a 2 disc set, "Saturday Morning Cartoons, 1960s Volume 1." Overall, it was very enjoyable and I saw some cartoons I've not seen since their original airings. There were also a couple in the set that were new to me.

I'd never seen any episodes of Frankenstein Jr. and The Impossibles (1966) or Marine Boy (1968) until viewing that set. Based on what's there I don't consider myself having missed much.

Based on the "music" parts of Frankenstein Jr. and The Impossibles I'd actually thought it came out a few years later than 1966 as it's similar to many of those late 60s shows where a "band" of some type is introduced into a cartoon in a attempt at "modernization" or to be "cool" for the kids. Oddly, the music "The Impossibles" performed sounds like a imitation of The Beach Boys.

While watching Marine Boy I found myself thinking it looked and played like anime (although not as extreme as "modern" stuff) so I'm waiting for the credits to be sure. Everything *looks* to be English and it ends with a "7 Arts" logo so I looked it up. Sure enough, it's early anime. I checked the Saturday morning schedule for that year to see what ran opposite (which would have played a huge factor in my even sampling the show) and found it was probably syndicated as it's *not* on the ABC/CBS/NBC schedules that year.

I enjoyed that volume so much I ordered volume 2 of the 60s shows.

LJG765
08-15-15, 02:48 PM
I went "traditional" last night and this morning by watching a 2 disc set, "Saturday Morning Cartoons, 1960s Volume 1." Overall, it was very enjoyable and I saw some cartoons I've not seen since their original airings. There were also a couple in the set that were new to me.

I picked that for a prize this month. I'm glad to hear that it's that good! This whole line has been on my radar for awhile, but I just haven't picked any up. I may have to now that I know they are that good....

shadokitty
08-15-15, 03:57 PM
I just finished Prehistoric Monsters Revealed on H2 On Demand. It was a good show, and almost all animated too.

BobO'Link
08-15-15, 05:11 PM
I picked that for a prize this month. I'm glad to hear that it's that good! This whole line has been on my radar for awhile, but I just haven't picked any up. I may have to now that I know they are that good....
My biggest gripe with the set is the way it's authored. If you do a "Play All" from the main menu the episodes play in full from first to last - like a big 3 hour block of Saturday AM goodness. BUT if you go to the sub-menu to play individual programs they only play a segment at a time which means you're taken back to the sub-menu after each program segment. Yeah... you can only play the programs segment-by-segment and not the whole thing. It's not a deal breaker but it *is* a bit annoying.

When I ordered the 60s volume 2 I took a look at the 70s and 80s ones. They hold no interest for me - but I'd also pretty much given up on Saturday AM fare by the early-mid 70s as it was starting to dumb-down a bit and the goody-goody parent groups were starting to change the cartoon landscape in a not good way.

I'm always a bit amused at the "Not suitable for children" disclaimers on the early (typically 60s) cartoon series sets. I'd *much* rather my grandkids watch those "Not suitable for children" early series than 99% of the junk being foisted upon kids today.

mrcellophane
08-15-15, 05:23 PM
I've got to go against the grain and declare my love for Cowboy Bebop's Edward. I found her bizarre antics amusing and thought the series didn't overuse her.

This morning I watched a few episodes of The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour. I'm a huge fan of Scooby-Doo and his many iterations. These are not the greatest episodes, but they're fun and silly. However, the Dynomutt and Blue Falcon segments are not very good. Much of the humor falls flat for me.

coyoteblue
08-15-15, 08:13 PM
I'd *much* rather my grandkids watch those "Not suitable for children" early series than 99% of the junk being foisted upon kids today.

I hope Adventure Time, Wonder Over Yonder, MLP: Friendship is Magic, Gravity Falls, Star vs. the Forces of Evil, Steven Universe, The Amazing World of Gumball, Regular Show, Rick and Morty, Archer, Bob's Burgers, American Dad and The Venture Bros are all in the 1%.

shadokitty
08-15-15, 08:13 PM
I started tonight's animation marathon by finishing Prehistoric Predators. The final episode was a great movie about a dinosaur migration south from the North Pole to get away from the dark winter months.

LJG765
08-16-15, 12:50 AM
I just finished The Wind Rises by Miyazaki and I have to say it is one of my favorites he's done. Very well made, beautiful to watch and I really didn't want it to end. Graceful and just...beautiful. If it truly is his last film, it does seem like he ended on a very high note.

Ash Ketchum
08-16-15, 06:19 AM
I just finished The Wind Rises by Miyazaki and I have to say it is one of my favorites he's done. Very well made, beautiful to watch and I really didn't want it to end. Graceful and just...beautiful. If it truly is his last film, it does seem like he ended on a very high note.

Yesterday was the 70th anniversary of Japan's surrender, so, thematically, THE WIND RISES was a good choice. I chose to watch a live-action drama called JAPAN'S LONGEST DAY (1967), which dramatized the way the surrender was worked out by the cabinet ministers and the Emperor and the last-ditch coup attempt by fanatical officers to prevent the surrender and continue the war. Pretty damned harrowing. The whole process could have been derailed quite easily.

I had real problems with THE WIND RISES because of the way it glossed over the destruction caused by Jiro's invention. It was used to kill American soldiers and Asian civilians. And Jiro never seemed to consider this. As an American whose father would have been sent to Japan with the invasion force if Japan hadn't surrendered--and who might never have come back--I think I have a right to feel this way.

Here's an article by a Korean-American journalist that was quite critical of WIND RISES on this front:

http://www.villagevoice.com/film/the-trouble-with-the-wind-rises-6440390

Here are some quotes from it:

But there’s no reason why critics and audiences outside of Japan should be morally complacent in the animator’s concessions to his countrymen’s egos. The Wind Rises perpetuates Japanese society’s deliberate misremembering and rewriting of history, which cast the former Empire of the Rising Sun as a victim of World War II, while glossing over — or in some cases completely ignoring — the mass death and suffering its military perpetrated. Critics who fail to observe or protest Miyazaki’s “pussyfooting” around a regime that caused more deaths than the Holocaust aid and abet Japan’s continued whitewashing of its war crimes.

In The Wind Rises, Miyazaki uses real-life aircraft engineer Jiro Horikoshi as an extreme example of ordinary Japanese citizens’ indifference to the atrocities committed in their name. Jiro, as he’s referred to in the film, finds such beauty in airplanes and flight that he feverishly pursues the next level of killing machines for Mitsubishi, justifying his work by comparing his planes to the pyramids. The reference to the pharaohs might allude to the fact that Mitsubishi used Chinese and Korean slave labor to build Jiro’s Zero planes. But the character never considers whether the slaves who died making those pyramids might not believe the results were worth their lives.

shadokitty
08-16-15, 06:55 AM
Except for some UFO documentaries on History Channel On Demand, today will be an animation day. I started early with Allosaurus: A Walking with Dinosaurs Special. It was a good story of the life and death of an Allosaurus, with some scientific knowledge in the last half of the show.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
08-16-15, 12:57 PM
I had real problems with THE WIND RISES because of the way it glossed over the destruction caused by Jiro's invention. It was used to kill American soldiers and Asian civilians. And Jiro never seemed to consider this. As an American whose father would have been sent to Japan with the invasion force if Japan hadn't surrendered--and who might never have come back--I think I have a right to feel this way.

I've never had as big a problem as others getting upset about Japan not acknowledging as much as other countries say they should. It's not like US isn't doing the same thing with history books. I never really learned until recently about the US involvement with the Russian civil war where the US, Japan, and others sent troops over to fight.

I'm also not laying blame to the US, all countries have done bad things that they don't like to advertise.

Speaking of civil wars, I'm still enjoying Star Wars The Clone Wars. It looks like I'll be buying the rest of the series.

shadokitty
08-16-15, 01:09 PM
YouTube has a lot of The World of Commander McBragg shorts. I'm enjoying working my way through them. I just finished 'Ace of Aces'.

BobO'Link
08-16-15, 03:13 PM
More "classics" for me yesterday. I started by watching 20 S1 "episodes" of The Mighty Hercules (1963). I was quite surprised that it mostly held up as it's a very limited animation production with a comic sidekick who takes precious screen time away from Hercules and the action. The "episodes" are ~5 minutes each with roughly 45 seconds taken up by the open/close theme. They really move quickly! But I can see why I was so attracted to this as a kid. The theme is great (I've actually found myself humming it at times over the decades) and the episodes, while short, are full of action and adventure. I don't recall just how this originally aired in my area - part of a larger program or if they just strung 4-5 of the shorts together as a half-hour program. I *think* I'd like to see more of the episodes (it had 128 episodes produced) but am happy with the single DVD that's available. The episodes look and sound pristine.

I followed that up with The Man Called Flinstone (1966), a theatrical feature that was somewhat a epiloge/finale to The Flintstones TV series. Other than the 6 songs which interrupted the action I really enjoyed the film. During one song they at least had the grace to slightly further the plot while it played, basically some Pink Panther/Roadrunner type antics with the villians who were following Fred, but the others really had nothing to do with the movie other than seemingly existing to get the running length to that of a feature. One featured Pebbles and Bam Bam who really made no appearances other than that song. I was somewhat disappointed that the "Slingshot-Shoe" and "Helicopter-Hat," so proudly highlighted on the back cover, only appeared during one of those throw-away songs. In spite of those gripes, it was a fun romp and nice way to end the series.

LJG765
08-16-15, 03:25 PM
Yesterday was the 70th anniversary of Japan's surrender, so, thematically, THE WIND RISES was a good choice.

I had real problems with THE WIND RISES because of the way it glossed over the destruction caused by Jiro's invention.
To be honest, I didn't realize that it was yesterday. I have seen a couple articles about the anniversary approaching, but didn't remember the exact day, so it was good timing, but totally unintentionally!

As for the other aspect, you're right. The war itself and what the planes actually did were kept in the background. As the movie went on, I did think about what destruction they caused. However, I did not think it odd that it was glossed over, myself. One, it is a Japanese movie and like The Man with the Golden Doujinshi said, it's fairly natural to skim over the undesirable details. Two, while not necessarily a children's movie, this is an animated one and very rarely do you see one NOT promoted for younger viewers. I wonder if he kept a lot of the actual war details out as not to get a higher rating? It already was a PG-13...

I tend to just take a movie on its own merit the first time I watch it, though, and then with multiple viewings see the faults and gaps. Perhaps I'll have a different view of it when watching it again.

I've never had as big a problem as others getting upset about Japan not acknowledging as much as other countries say they should. It's not like US isn't doing the same thing with history books. I never really learned until recently about the US involvement with the Russian civil war where the US, Japan, and others sent troops over to fight.

I'm also not laying blame to the US, all countries have done bad things that they don't like to advertise..

This. I think you nailed it on the head of what I think as well. Having studied history, it really is something that is written by the winners. (Or losers as this case might be). Plus, this isn't a straight up biography, either, being a mix of Miyazaki's life and the real life engineer...

Though, I can definitely see why people would be upset about the lack of acknowledgment of the destruction caused. Japan does do that fairly often with some of the things they've caused/done.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
08-16-15, 05:13 PM
I followed that up with The Man Called Flinstone (1966), a theatrical feature that was somewhat a epiloge/finale to The Flintstones TV series. Other than the 6 songs which interrupted the action I really enjoyed the film.

I could never stand films that broke out into songs at times, when I was a kid. It just ended up being a time for me to stop paying attention. I can't think of why I didn't like it, other than I just wanted to keep watching a story and not wanting a music video in the middle of something I was enjoying.

BobO'Link
08-16-15, 05:47 PM
I could never stand films that broke out into songs at times, when I was a kid. It just ended up being a time for me to stop paying attention. I can't think of why I didn't like it, other than I just wanted to keep watching a story and not wanting a music video in the middle of something I was enjoying.
I was that way as a kid and I'm still that way. I've come to tolerate musicals, some, and have developed a greater appreciation for the song/dance routines but I generally avoid the genre. I now watch musicals more *for* the song(s) rather than any plot that might be there as I'm still annoyed when the plot is interrupted. Don't even get me started on those which employ music to *further* the plot rather than just put that information in dialog. I'm not much of a lyrics guy (in spite of being a semi-professional vocalist) and tend to not give them much attention until I've heard something dozens of times (or more). Because of that I'll miss plot in such occasions.

shadokitty
08-17-15, 01:31 AM
While I probably won't get too far, as the challenge is half over, I just discovered that Netflix has the first two seasons of Yu-Gi-Oh. I always liked the original incarnation of the show the best, and just finished the first episode, 'The Heart of the Cards'.

shadokitty
08-17-15, 04:11 AM
One thing about insomnia. You can make good progress on Challenges. I've been up since midnight, about 4 hours, watching cartoons. Probably the reason I can't sleep is I'm excited. I have a doctor appointment today, which isn't what I'm happy about, but we're going to the zoo after my appointments. I haven't been to the zoo in years.

coyoteblue
08-17-15, 08:48 AM
So, my Google-fu has failed me and I'm hoping someone here might help! What are some non-fiction animated movies other than "Waltz with Bashir" and "Persepolis?" I've tried a few different ways of searching but I keep on getting results for sci-fi animated movies or anime.

I've looked at people's checklist's this year, but don't see that anyone has watched anything for it. Have people had problem's in the past finding new material for this? Should we talk about removing this one from the checklist from lack of options? Or at least move it to where people have a choice of using that one or not?

It's a little late, but I finally remembered the Bell Science series of films,
Our Mr. Sun (1956), The Strange Case Of The Cosmic Rays (1957), Hemo The Magnificent (1957), The Unchained Goddess (1958).

They're all still quite entertaining and since the science is so basic a lot of it is still accurate. The discs appear to be out of print, but still available for varying $$, and it looks like they're all streaming on youtube.

Ash Ketchum
08-17-15, 09:13 AM
I've never had as big a problem as others getting upset about Japan not acknowledging as much as other countries say they should. It's not like US isn't doing the same thing with history books. I never really learned until recently about the US involvement with the Russian civil war where the US, Japan, and others sent troops over to fight.

I'm also not laying blame to the US, all countries have done bad things that they don't like to advertise.


Germany offers a model of how to apologize and atone for past crimes and I wish Japan would have learned from them. (It got into WWII because of all the bad things it learned from Germany.) China, Korea, and other Asian nations are still angry at Japan for its wartime behavior in their countries. (Not that Communist China doesn't have a lot to answer for in its own right.) The U.S., at least, has a whole cottage industry of teachers, journalists and academics correcting the record on history and demanding various apologies and reparations from the government, some of which it has paid (e.g. Japanese-Americans who were held in internment camps). We're constantly berating ourselves for past sins, but we have a structure in place to correct those sins and move on. It's a constant process. Sometimes I think we go overboard in that direction.

I monitor news and media from Japan on a regular basis and I'm alarmed at the way they've whitewashed the war in their culture and portray themselves as victims. They've never sufficiently atoned for their crimes, to a degree where I sometimes wonder if it could ever happen again! And there's no cottage industry to tell the truth to young students there. So when Miyazaki, who commands the attention of young audiences, participates in the whitewash and romanticizes the creation of the Zero fighter jet, which killed a lot of my fellow countrymen, I get infuriated.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
08-17-15, 10:57 AM
The U.S., at least, has a whole cottage industry of teachers, journalists and academics correcting the record on history and demanding various apologies and reparations from the government, some of which it has paid (e.g. Japanese-Americans who were held in internment camps).

But the bad things aren't even close to showing up in US history books anytime soon. For a kid in school to learn about what people in history, or our country really did requires them to look outside of class. History books don't even hint the suggestion that there's a lot more bad to the story you're being taught and you can find out more by visiting your local library.

I don't get angry at them because it was a war. The average Japanese or German citizen isn't the one that said for the government to do what they did and I don't see a reason to get upset as some people do when someone gets mad that they don't apologize for what their country did, in some cases even before they were born. I know that's not what you're saying but I'm speaking of others that feel that way.

Other countries in the war were trying to improve their tech to kill more people, so it's not something limited to just one country. In our films, if there's something about a new plane or technology, it's not "we should be sad" it's "let's go kill some japs/nazis" and "we killed a bunch of japs/nazis good job".

My wife's grandfather was a farmer in Okinawa and was killed by Americans for no reason. Her mom would have absolutely nothing to do with me when we were dating. She would have to sneak me into the house and I still haven't met or seen her in person since I met my wife over 18 years ago.

I've been cursed at in a store by an old Japanese lady before and I've also not been allowed to go into certain businesses, like restaurants specifically because I was American.

That being said, I still haven't seen the cartoon that sparked this conversation but I think I have it on my list for the neverending challenge thing. I also get where you're coming from and I'm glad nobody is flipping out talking about this.

I will admit I have a negative view on China but that probably has something to do with being stationed in the area and the exercises we'd do. I also don't get freaked out the same way people in the US do over NK. If our media reported all the crap they were doing, the average housewife would probably be pooping herself. They were always finding their military gear on beaches because they'd frequently come over in their mini-subs and then there's the tunnels they dug under the DMZ.

The first time NK fired a rocket that went over Japan, we weren't put on any special alert. It was just another day with them doing something else.

wishbone
08-17-15, 03:35 PM
I could never stand films that broke out into songs at times, when I was a kid. It just ended up being a time for me to stop paying attention. I can't think of why I didn't like it, other than I just wanted to keep watching a story and not wanting a music video in the middle of something I was enjoying.This was a big reason why I was not much into Disney films growing up. I guess I have Trey Parker and Matt Stone to thank for appreciating musical movies as an adult. :lol:

That being said I have finally watched Frozen. I still notice the "breaking into song" moments but they don't take me out as much now -- strong singing performances definitely help. Beautiful animation and I appreciated the humor too ("Stay out of sight, Olaf!").

I picked a couple of Russian shorts for the checklist and I really liked Varezhka (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCOwl8FvJtg) (The Mitten). Cute and clever and definitely worth a watch for the challenge.

davidh777
08-17-15, 03:38 PM
I'm totally staying out of this "I hate musicals" conversation. :lol:

Dimension X
08-17-15, 05:26 PM
But the bad things aren't even close to showing up in US history books anytime soon. For a kid in school to learn about what people in history, or our country really did requires them to look outside of class. History books don't even hint the suggestion that there's a lot more bad to the story you're being taught and you can find out more by visiting your local library.
Wikipedia says Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States (1980) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People%27s_History_of_the_United_States) (which, I've heard, focuses quite a but on "the bad things" in US history) "has been assigned as reading in many high schools and colleges across the United States," so I'm going to have to disagree with you. I do agree students should look outside of class for more info so they don't get a one-sided (either way) view.

To stay on the current topic, here's what Wikipedia says the book says about WWII:

Chapter 16, "A People's War?", covers World War II, opposition to it, and the effects of the war on the people. Zinn, a veteran of the war himself, notes that "it was the most popular war the US ever fought,"[13] but states that this support may have been manufactured through the institutions of American society. He cites various instances of opposition to fighting (in some cases greater than those during World War I) as proof. Zinn also argues that the US' true intention was not fighting against systematic racism, since the US had this itself, such as with the Jim Crow laws (leading to opposition to the war from African-Americans). Another argument made by Zinn is that the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not necessary, as the U.S. government had already known that the Japanese were considering surrender beforehand. Other subjects from WWII covered include Japanese American internment and the bombing of Dresden. The chapter continues into the Cold War. Here, Zinn writes that the U.S. government used the Cold War to increase control over the American people (for instance, eliminating such radical elements as the Communist Party) and at the same time create a state of permanent war, which allowed for the creation of the modern military-industrial complex. Zinn believes this was possible because both conservatives and liberals willingly worked together in the name of anti-Communism. Also covered is the US' involvement in the Greek Civil War, the Korean War, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, and the Marshall Plan.

mrcellophane
08-17-15, 05:27 PM
I'm totally staying out of this "I hate musicals" conversation. :lol:

I've been biting my tongue as well!

Over the weekend, I was pretty busy, but I did watch My Neighbor Totoro. The film expertly melds whimsical fantasy and listless normality. Mei also acts like a child, sidestepping the usual treacly, utterly unrealistic characterizations of many fictional kids. There's a scene in which she piles flowers on her father's desk, announces that he's the florist, and then runs off. It's a perfect kid moment.

shadokitty
08-17-15, 06:05 PM
I took a nap when I got home, so just started my challenge viewing for the day. I watched the 'First Duel' episode of Yu-Gi-Oh, in which Joey has his first ever tournament duel

Ash Ketchum
08-17-15, 07:58 PM
Over the weekend, I was pretty busy, but I did watch My Neighbor Totoro. The film expertly melds whimsical fantasy and listless normality. Mei also acts like a child, sidestepping the usual treacly, utterly unrealistic characterizations of many fictional kids. There's a scene in which she piles flowers on her father's desk, announces that he's the florist, and then runs off. It's a perfect kid moment.

Aah, Bravo! A non-controversial Miyazaki film that everyone can love! :banana:

(TOTORO should be required viewing for this challenge for anyone who hasn't seen it. )

shadokitty
08-17-15, 08:30 PM
Last night, I decided to watch The Fisherman and the Goldfish. It was beautifully drawn, and a wonderful story, with a moral, even though it isn't specifically stated.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
08-17-15, 09:15 PM
Wikipedia says Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States (1980) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People%27s_History_of_the_United_States) (which, I've heard, focuses quite a but on "the bad things" in US history) "has been assigned as reading in many high schools and colleges across the United States," so I'm going to have to disagree with you.

While it says that, it's source only refers to parents complaining about it at one school. Working at a school and having kids in school, it's just the regular old history books here. The problem is that while it's assigned reading at some places, they're still stuck with the basic awful history textbooks from Texas.

The preachy Lies My Teacher Told Me book goes over history and compares it with the most common history books in use and compares what they say history is compared to what this author says is accurate history. He does leave some details out to suit his needs as well as taking some things at face value when it suits his needs, such as letters between Columbus and the royalty funding his missions. He totally ignores the fact that some of what's written is playing up things to get funding.

I also call it preachy because I don't need to constantly hear throughout the book how dumb college and high school kids are compared to the author. It was in the introduction and it never freaking stops.

I'm totally staying out of this "I hate musicals" conversation. :lol:

The worst of the worst were the live action Disney films. The animated films were something I could finish. The live action rarely ever made it to the end. Awful, just awful. I wasn't able to even finish the umbrella floating nanny lady movie until I got to my 30s.

Speaking of war and animated films, I highly recommend watching [b]When The Wind Blows{/b] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtpvoOXn2o

When the Wind Blows depicts a nuclear attack on the UK by the Soviet Union from the viewpoint of a retired couple, James and Hilda Bloggs. The Bloggs live in rural Sussex and are confused regarding the nature and seriousness of their situation, but nonetheless remain optimistic and supportive of each other throughout the crisis. This confusion is sometimes used to generate gentle comedy as well as darker elements.

If you're looking for a musical number in this one, I'm sad to report you'll be disappointed.

Dimension X
08-17-15, 09:42 PM
While it says that, it's source only refers to parents complaining about it at one school. Working at a school and having kids in school, it's just the regular old history books here. The problem is that while it's assigned reading at some places, they're still stuck with the basic awful history textbooks from Texas.

The preachy Lies My Teacher Told Me book goes over history and compares it with the most common history books in use and compares what they say history is compared to what this author says is accurate history. He does leave some details out to suit his needs as well as taking some things at face value when it suits his needs, such as letters between Columbus and the royalty funding his missions. He totally ignores the fact that some of what's written is playing up things to get funding.

I also call it preachy because I don't need to constantly hear throughout the book how dumb college and high school kids are compared to the author. It was in the introduction and it never freaking stops.
I've read other places that say A People's History of the United States is used in many school districts (and that the book goes too far in the "other direction"). In fact, earlier, when I posted that, I went to look for one of the books I thought I might've read it in; Lies My Teacher Told Me by James W. Loewen. :lol: The positive cover blurb by Howard Zinn told me that wasn't the book, so I put it back on the shelf.

coyoteblue
08-17-15, 11:25 PM
Speaking of war and animated films, I highly recommend watching When The Wind Blows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtpvoOXn2o

When the Wind Blows depicts a nuclear attack on the UK by the Soviet Union from the viewpoint of a retired couple, James and Hilda Bloggs. The Bloggs live in rural Sussex and are confused regarding the nature and seriousness of their situation, but nonetheless remain optimistic and supportive of each other throughout the crisis. This confusion is sometimes used to generate gentle comedy as well as darker elements.

If you're looking for a musical number in this one, I'm sad to report you'll be disappointed.

For maximum impact (see what I did there), you've got to pair it up with Barefoot Gen (1983) or Grave of the Fireflies (1988) or just make it a triple feature. You can start it off with a bang by watching the short, The Big Snit (1985), first.

shadokitty
08-17-15, 11:40 PM
For maximum impact (see what I did there), you've got to pair it up with Barefoot Gen (1983) or Grave of the Fireflies (1988) or just make it a triple feature. You can start it off with a bang by watching the short, The Big Snit (1985), first.

Grave of the Fireflies is very powerful and moving.

I just finished another episode of Yu-Gi-Oh!, in which Yugi dueled Mako.

LJG765
08-18-15, 12:21 AM
I'm totally staying out of this "I hate musicals" conversation. :lol:
I'm not, I love musicals! You all are heathens! *grins* Seriously, I love them, love Disney and anything like it.
Grave of the Fireflies is very powerful and moving.

I just finished another episode of Yu-Gi-Oh!, in which Yugi dueled Mako.

I agree. Grave of the Fireflies is a very powerful movie. It's almost hard to get through at times.

But talking about changing history in movies and Disney, I'm watching Pocahontas II for one of the checklist items. The original is probably my least favorite of Disney's films and this sequel is awful. The songs are dreck (and this is coming from someone who loves musicals!), the animation subpar. Pocahontas' neck is about 3 times to long for a normal human. Half the cast is cartoony people, the other half sharp and more realistic, almost. It's just odd and poorly done.

And that's not going into the story they are trying to tell...totally made up, but yeah, they wanted to tell a certain story so they certainly did.

mrcellophane
08-18-15, 01:35 AM
Aah, Bravo! A non-controversial Miyazaki film that everyone can love! :banana:

(TOTORO should be required viewing for this challenge for anyone who hasn't seen it. )

Seconded! It's a fantastic film, and I enjoyed revisiting it. Now I'm hungry for more Miyazaki. I may pull out Castle in the Sky tomorrow evening if time permits.

The worst of the worst were the live action Disney films. The animated films were something I could finish. The live action rarely ever made it to the end. Awful, just awful. I wasn't able to even finish the umbrella floating nanny lady movie until I got to my 30s.

You're morphing into a stereotypical beach bully. Not content with pushing down the musical nerds, you feel compelled to kick sand in their faces by insulting Mary Poppins. Well, I cannot stand idly by while you besmirch the reputation of Julie Andrews. Have you no decency? No soul? Oh what folly lays in the blackened hearts of men. To you I say "Votes for Women"! I say "Feed the Birds"! History will side with me and mine, and ultimately you and yours will lose. You lose! GOOD DAY, SIR! (That last bit is from a musical.)

mrcellophane
08-18-15, 01:45 AM
Not quite ready for bed, so I decided to start watching Glass Fleet, an anime series I purchased quite some time ago on the consensus that fans of Last Exile would enjoy it. I'm in the middle of the second episode and had to pause because the most spectacular thing has happened. Two of the characters just attended a party, and the scene can only be described as "John Woo directs Joel Schumacher's film adaptation of Andrew Lloyd Webber's Phantom of the Opera".

I'll try to post some screen caps tomorrow.

Ash Ketchum
08-18-15, 06:39 AM
Not quite ready for bed, so I decided to start watching Glass Fleet, an anime series I purchased quite some time ago on the consensus that fans of Last Exile would enjoy it. I'm in the middle of the second episode and had to pause because the most spectacular thing has happened. Two of the characters just attended a party, and the scene can only be described as "John Woo directs Joel Schumacher's film adaptation of Andrew Lloyd Webber's Phantom of the Opera".

I'll try to post some screen caps tomorrow.

I've never seen "Glass Fleet" and now you've got me intrigued!

shadokitty
08-18-15, 09:49 AM
Today looks to be a good day to veg out in bed. We had planned on a day of yard work today, but that aint happenin. Mother Nature didn't agree.

shadokitty
08-18-15, 10:26 AM
I started my challenge viewing with an episode of MASK. I'd say Rax is my favorite character. Cool vehicle, and he reminds me of Jack Nicholson. I wonder if that comparison is what the writers wanted.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
08-18-15, 11:06 AM
You're morphing into a stereotypical beach bully. Not content with pushing down the musical nerds, you feel compelled to kick sand in their faces by insulting Mary Poppins. Well, I cannot stand idly by while you besmirch the reputation of Julie Andrews. Have you no decency? No soul? Oh what folly lays in the blackened hearts of men. To you I say "Votes for Women"! I say "Feed the Birds"! History will side with me and mine, and ultimately you and yours will lose. You lose! GOOD DAY, SIR! (That last bit is from a musical.)

Now let me tell you what I think about The Sound of Music and Cat on a Hot Tin Roof...

Actually I like those better than the Disney musicals

Today looks to be a good day to veg out in bed. We had planned on a day of yard work today, but that aint happenin. Mother Nature didn't agree.

It decided to go back up to the triple digits in my area. I'd skip yard work if I wasn't already working 10 hour days the next few weeks.

For maximum impact (see what I did there), you've got to pair it up with Barefoot Gen (1983) or Grave of the Fireflies (1988) or just make it a triple feature. You can start it off with a bang by watching the short, The Big Snit (1985), first.

I've seen all 3 but wasn't sure about The Big Snit at first, so I had to look it up. Here it is for everyone http://www.nfb.ca/film/big_snit/

I think these challenges should have suggested collections of films to watch for people that are stuck. I think we have a good basis for a post-atomic bombing marathon going :)

I've read other places that say A People's History of the United States is used in many school districts (and that the book goes too far in the "other direction"). In fact, earlier, when I posted that, I went to look for one of the books I thought I might've read it in; Lies My Teacher Told Me by James W. Loewen. :lol: The positive cover blurb by Howard Zinn told me that wasn't the book, so I put it back on the shelf.

I liked Lies My Teacher Told Me because it's informative at it's heart but the extra stuff he throws out there makes my eyes roll. I remember finishing the first chapter about Columbus and at the beginning of chapter 2, he quotes some idiot that said all settlers were white. We've all had that one person that just didn't get things in class but it's not fair to quote them as a representative of what the rest of the class is like. He just way too intense on how wrong books and people are at times before getting into the facts.

So I put the book down and switched to another history book that naturally started off with Columbus. I just put the book down and took a break from reading for the day. I wasn't about to go through that stuff again.

I've never read A People's History of the United States but I do recall a bunch of discussion years ago regarding if we needed to drop the bomb on Japan or not.

If you're into WWII pictures, I ran across an incredible collection here http://histomil.com/viewtopic.php?f=338&t=3918&hilit=wolf

I guess they have stuff from other wars but that thread is 593 pages and I'm still working my way through it.

Dimension X
08-18-15, 11:22 AM
I liked Lies My Teacher Told Me because it's informative at it's heart but the extra stuff he throws out there makes my eyes roll. I remember finishing the first chapter about Columbus and at the beginning of chapter 2, he quotes some idiot that said all settlers were white. We've all had that one person that just didn't get things in class but it's not fair to quote them as a representative of what the rest of the class is like. He just way too intense on how wrong books and people are at times before getting into the facts.
I buy most of my books from thrift stores, and that was a random find I bought sometime within the last couple of years because it looked like a fun read. I remember mostly liking it, but there was something about it I didn't care much for (that I can't specifically recall at this time).
I've never read A People's History of the United States but I do recall a bunch of discussion years ago regarding if we needed to drop the bomb on Japan or not.
I haven't read it either (just read about it). I saw a copy in a Salvation Army store about six months ago and thought about buying it, but decided they wanted more for it than I was willing to give for a book I probably wouldn't like much.
If you're into WWII pictures, I ran across an incredible collection here http://histomil.com/viewtopic.php?f=338&t=3918&hilit=wolf

I guess they have stuff from other wars but that thread is 593 pages and I'm still working my way through it.
I'm more into WWII fiction and contemporaneous propoganda than actual war stuff, but I'll check it out later when I get some time.

davidh777
08-18-15, 11:41 AM
The worst of the worst were the live action Disney films. The animated films were something I could finish. The live action rarely ever made it to the end. Awful, just awful. I wasn't able to even finish the umbrella floating nanny lady movie until I got to my 30s.

You're morphing into a stereotypical beach bully. Not content with pushing down the musical nerds, you feel compelled to kick sand in their faces by insulting Mary Poppins. Well, I cannot stand idly by while you besmirch the reputation of Julie Andrews. Have you no decency? No soul? Oh what folly lays in the blackened hearts of men. To you I say "Votes for Women"! I say "Feed the Birds"! History will side with me and mine, and ultimately you and yours will lose. You lose! GOOD DAY, SIR! (That last bit is from a musical.)

I can be as vigorous a defender of the musical as there is, but I have to say that the '60s were a time of horrible bloat for the genre. The Sound of Music feels fine at its length, but Mary Poppins DOES feel quite long at 2:20. And the last time I tried to get through Chitty Chitty Bang Bang at 2:20+... I have fond memories of the movie as a kid, but it's way overlong now.

I'm not, I love musicals! You all are heathens! *grins* Seriously, I love them, love Disney and anything like it.

:banana:

Speaking of war and animated films, I highly recommend watching [b]When The Wind Blows{/b] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtpvoOXn2o

When the Wind Blows depicts a nuclear attack on the UK by the Soviet Union from the viewpoint of a retired couple, James and Hilda Bloggs. The Bloggs live in rural Sussex and are confused regarding the nature and seriousness of their situation, but nonetheless remain optimistic and supportive of each other throughout the crisis. This confusion is sometimes used to generate gentle comedy as well as darker elements.

If you're looking for a musical number in this one, I'm sad to report you'll be disappointed.

I haven't seen When the Wind Blows in years, but I saw it way back when in theaters, and it was powerful. And back in the '80s, this really was something that felt like it could happen AT ANY TIME, especially in Europe. I think I originally saw it because I was a fan of Raymond Briggs' Father Christmas and Snowman books. Yeah, this was not the same as those.

Ash Ketchum
08-18-15, 11:44 AM
I buy most of my books from thrift stores, and that was a random find I bought sometime within the last couple of years because it looked like a fun read. I remember mostly liking it, but there was something about it I didn't care much for (that I can't specifically recall at this time).

I haven't read it either (just read about it). I saw a copy in a Salvation Army store about six months ago and thought about buying it, but decided they wanted more for it than I was willing to give for a book I probably wouldn't like much.

I'm more into WWII fiction and contemporaneous propoganda than actual war stuff, but I'll check it out later when I get some time.

I have each of the books mentioned so far in this discussion, plus other similar books and have never read them. :(

Highly recommended war novels about the Pacific War:
The Naked and the Dead by Norman Mailer
The Thin Red Line by James Jones

None of the movie versions of either of those novels comes anywhere close to the essence of the books.

Getting back to anime, there's a feature-length Japanese animated film called KAYOKO'S DIARY (1991) that's based on a memoir of growing up during the war years. I saw a subtitled print many years ago and have since acquired a VHS copy in Japanese with no subs. It's got a sequence depicting the firebombing of Tokyo and it's just harrowing, more horrific than anything in GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES.

I also have a film on VHS called RAIL OF THE STAR (1993), based on a Japanese actress's memoir of growing up in Korea during the war and then having to flee at war's end with hundreds of other Japanese to get to the south before the Russians can get them. Good film, but the Japanese treat the Koreans so terribly in it, that I had a hard time feeling sorry for them once the tide turned.

Dimension X
08-18-15, 12:20 PM
Highly recommended war novels about the Pacific War:
The Naked and the Dead by Norman Mailer
The Thin Red Line by James Jones

I'm pretty sure I have the first one (haven't read it :( ).

I know I have a copy of the album with Norman Mailer reading it (haven't listened to it :( ). Looks like this:

http://i59.tinypic.com/rr2k4x.jpg

Not so sure if I have the second.

mrcellophane
08-18-15, 01:00 PM
Now let me tell you what I think about The Sound of Music and Cat on a Hot Tin Roof...
Actually I like those better than the Disney musicals
I can be as vigorous a defender of the musical as there is, but I have to say that the '60s were a time of horrible bloat for the genre. The Sound of Music feels fine at its length, but Mary Poppins DOES feel quite long at 2:20. And the last time I tried to get through Chitty Chitty Bang Bang at 2:20+... I have fond memories of the movie as a kid, but it's way overlong now.

Silly, hyperbolic Internet rant aside, I'm with you. I love musicals - even "bad" ones - but some from the 60s are only for lethargic summer afternoons or skipping to the songs while doing housework. I'll also admit that I really, really love musicals - to the point that most of my iPod is crammed with cast recordings (pretty sure I have five versions of Sweeney Todd).

Due to this conversation, I checked my challenge list and realized that I've yet to watch a single musical this month (unless you count the music-centric anime Gravitation). I'm scandalized and must remedy this immediately!

BobO'Link
08-18-15, 01:15 PM
Now let me tell you what I think about The Sound of Music and Cat on a Hot Tin Roof...

Actually I like those better than the Disney musicals

OK... I'm confused... Cat on a Hot Tin Roof isn't a musical nor does Julie Andrews appear in the film. Otherwise I agree.

While I *do* overall like Mary Poppins, even as a kid I didn't like the musical interludes as most took you out of the "action" in spite of mostly being about something that just happened. You know the drill... the music starts and the film stops. And it *is* overly long but I blame the unneeded musical sequences for that. The much touted sequence with Dick Van Dyke and Julie Andrews dancing with cartoon characters always looked bad to me - you can see the mattes bleeding through! I was always amazed such a important sequence with such poor production made it into a "big" Disney film. Even with my complaints about this one it's still my 100% favorite non-animated Disney film, and I *do* like many of the songs even though they take you out of the film.

Just for grins and giggles, here's my short list of Musicals (in no particular order) I'll watch without someone else asking:

The Sound of Music
My Fair Lady
Fiddler on the Roof
Paint Your Wagon
A Hard Day's Night
The Rocky Horror Picture Show

You'll notice there are no animated films on that list. There are a couple of Disney efforts I should probably add but, in spite of them having several musical interludes each, I don't truly consider them to be musicals. Even then I have to be in the right frame of mind for viewings. Those are:

Peter Pan
Snow White
Cinderella
The Jungle Book
Alice in Wonderland

It's possible Pinocchio would make the above group but I've not seen that one in 40+ years and my memory of it is somewhat sketchy. I *do* own a copy but just haven't made time for a viewing.

Most of the rest of the features produced under the supervision of Walt Disney are OK and I'll watch most without argument if one of the grandkids selects one but they are not on my "must watch" lists. I can count on one hand the post Walt Disney supervised animations from The Mouse Factory I'll willingly watch.

I've also never cared for Fantasia. I like the music but not the animation tied to it (OK... the "Sorcerer's Apprentice" segment is OK but I can do without the rest) - But I don't like music videos either which explains my dislike for Fantasia. As a kid I always changed the channel if a "Merrie Melody" type cartoon came on (you know the ones... all singing/dancing animations). Like "live" musicals, I've come to appreciate the effort and work involved in the production of these films but just don't care for them.

I have never seen Singing in the Rain, the musical that tops the AFI's "25 Greatest Musicals of All Time" list. I purchased a copy of that one a couple of days ago at BL - now I hope I can keep the images from A Clockwork Orange out of my head when the title song is performed! :lol:

shadokitty
08-18-15, 02:03 PM
After playing some Yu-Gi-Oh!, on my PS3, I was in the mood to watch some on Netflix. I just finished a good episode, where Kaiba is revealed to not be such a bad guy as first thought. I wonder if Mokuba was added to give Seto a sympathetic side

Ash Ketchum
08-18-15, 03:25 PM
I've also never cared for Fantasia. I like the music but not the animation tied to it (OK... the "Sorcerer's Apprentice" segment is OK but I can do without the rest) - But I don't like music videos either which explains my dislike for Fantasia. As a kid I always changed the channel if a "Merrie Melody" type cartoon came on (you know the ones... all singing/dancing animations). Like "live" musicals, I've come to appreciate the effort and work involved in the production of these films but just don't care for them.

I have never seen Singing in the Rain, the musical that tops the AFI's "25 Greatest Musicals of All Time" list. I purchased a copy of that one a couple of days ago at BL - now I hope I can keep the images from A Clockwork Orange out of my head when the title song is performed! :lol:

After FANTASIA, Disney made other animated musical compilations in the 1940s:
SALUDOS AMIGOS
THE THREE CABALLEROS
MAKE MINE MUSIC
FUN AND FANCY FREE
MELODY TIME

Of these, the one I liked the best is MAKE MINE MUSIC, because it had the best segments, including these: "Casey at the Bat," "The Whale Who Wanted to Sing at the Met," "Peter and the Wolf," "Johnny Fedora and Alice Bluebonnet," and my favorite, "All the Cats Join In," with musical accompaniment by Benny Goodman and his orchestra.

I was planning to dig out my copies of these and watch them for the challenge, but I just haven't had the time.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
08-18-15, 04:39 PM
I buy most of my books from thrift stores, and that was a random find I bought sometime within the last couple of years because it looked like a fun read. I remember mostly liking it, but there was something about it I didn't care much for (that I can't specifically recall at this time).

I haven't read it either (just read about it). I saw a copy in a Salvation Army store about six months ago and thought about buying it, but decided they wanted more for it than I was willing to give for a book I probably wouldn't like much.

I'm more into WWII fiction and contemporaneous propoganda than actual war stuff, but I'll check it out later when I get some time.

I'm doing more reading but with ebooks. We Die Alone: A WWII Epic Of Escape And Endurance is supposed to be good. Ever hear of it?

We Die Alone recounts one of the most exciting escape stories to emerge from the challenges and miseries of World War II. In March 1943, a team of expatriate Norwegian commandos sailed from northern England for Nazi-occupied arctic Norway to organize and supply the Norwegian resistance. But they were betrayed and the Nazis ambushed them. Only one man survived--Jan Baalsrud. This is the incredible and gripping story of his escape.

Frostbitten and snowblind, pursued by the Nazis, he dragged himself on until he reached a small arctic village. He was near death, delirious, and a virtual cripple. But the villagers, at mortal risk to themselves, were determined to save him, and--through impossible feats--they did.

We Die Alone is an astonishing true story of heroism and endurance. Like Slavomir Rawicz's The Long Walk, it is also an unforgettable portrait of the determination of the human spirit.


I haven't seen When the Wind Blows in years, but I saw it way back when in theaters, and it was powerful. And back in the '80s, this really was something that felt like it could happen AT ANY TIME, especially in Europe. I think I originally saw it because I was a fan of Raymond Briggs' Father Christmas and Snowman books. Yeah, this was not the same as those.

That would have been a crazy film experience to watch in a theater.

I never got emotional about war in the '80s. It just was what it was, to me. I still remember when the Berlin Wall came down. It inconveniently came down on a Sunday and it was all over TV, so I didn't get to watch Life Goes On, thanks to the timing of things.

OK... I'm confused... Cat on a Hot Tin Roof isn't a musical nor does Julie Andrews appear in the film. Otherwise I agree.

I thought someone sang a song at one point. Call it musical-lite.

Ash Ketchum
08-18-15, 05:02 PM
I thought someone sang a song at one point. Call it musical-lite.

No one sings in CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF, although Burl Ives is one of the stars. If only he'd have sung, it might have given the film some entertainment value.

mrcellophane
08-18-15, 05:17 PM
I've never seen "Glass Fleet" and now you've got me intrigued!

I'll keep you posted. The first two episodes were very entertaining, though the shifts from battling CGI spaceships to traditionally animated characters is a bit jarring at first. Actually, it reminded me of the aesthetic of Samurai 7, another Gonzo series. However, everything is so over-the-top: rose borders, flocks of CGI doves, fireworks in space, grandiose costumes.

No one sings in CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF, although Burl Ives is one of the stars. If only he'd have sung, it might have given the film some entertainment value.

Paul Newman gets shirtless. That's all the entertainment I need! The film has enjoyed a resurgence of love from the LGBT community. (Well, from film aficionados within the LGBT community anyway.)


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