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MONDAY
8/7c How I Met Your Mother
8:30 pm WE ARE MEN
9 pm Two Broke Girls
9:30 pm MOM
10 pm HOSTAGES / INTELLIGENCE


TUESDAY
8 pm NCIS
9 pm NCIS: LA
10 pm Person of Interest


WEDNESDAY

8 pm Survivor
9 pm Criminal Minds
10 pm CSI


THURSDAY
8 pm The Big Bang Theory
8:30 pm THE MILLERS
9 pm THE CRAZY ONES
9:30 pm Two and a Half Men
10 pm Elementary


FRIDAY
8 pm Undercover Boss
9 pm Hawaii Five-0
10 pm Blue Bloods


SATURDAY
8 pm Comedytime Saturday
9 pm Crimetime Saturday
10 pm 48 Hours

SUNDAY

7 60 Minutes
8 pm 
The Amazing Race
9 pm The Good Wife
10 pm The Mentalist


NOT RETURNING NEXT SEASON: CSI: NY, Golden Boy, Made In Jersey, Partners and Rules of Engagement

RichC2

So they will continue to own Tuesday nights and their Thursdays will start falling like crazy.

I'll continue with How I Met Your Mother and the occasional ep of Person of Interest.

Red Dog

Must not be happy with 5-0. That's the timeslot where shows go to die.

Shocking that their one new 1-hour show is a crime drama.

Deftones

Interesting that they are moving Person of Interest.

JuryDuty

I'm really surprised. I thought 5-0 was doing great. Maybe Subway feels Friday night is better for their in-show product advertisements. :P

Gizmo

H50 got an early syndication deal. It might eek out another Season before fading away.

RichC2

Regardless, if Season 4 is a full season it'll be up to 95 episodes, it only needs to have a 17 episode season 3 to hit traditional syndication rules (which face it don't exist).

CBS is one of the few stations that pulls solid ratings on Fridays so it may not be a death kiss.

Red Dog

Vegas died there. I think 9p is where they shipped Defenders a few years ago before they killed it.

DJariya

Yeah H50 got a very lucrative syndication deal with TNT that starts next summer. It will be lucky to get a 1.5 on Friday nights, although total viewers may go up. Not really surprised by the move. They had to give Toni Collette and Josh Holloway's new shows a good timeslot.

I am surprised CBS moved Person of Interest and used the 9pm hour on Thursday for comedies.

DJariya

Btw, Hostages is a serial drama with a short season order. Intelligence is a procedural.

RichC2

Vegas was dead long before it moved to Fridays though, pulling 1.6s in the demo despite a 9m+ viewers on a Tuesday isn't very good. Even though I'm sure it was hurt by the Friday move to some extent, it seemed like the course it was following, regardless of night.

Since Hawaii Five-0 pulls a decent number of viewers but has low 18 - 49 ratings, Friday could save it as it'd be teamed up with Blue Bloods, another highly watched but low demo (1.3) show.

Gizmo

Solid ratings for a Friday?

Vegas was hitting under a 1 and Blue Bloods was barely going past that.

Undercover Boss was the only thing doing halfway decent (1.6 this past Friday).

That's far from decent. Grimm was pulling in high/middle 1's, Shark Tank is high 1's.

Sure, they are no CW, but you can't just make things up.

H50 will fall to low 1's, Blue Bloods will get low 1s. Both will probably be gone this time next year to be replaced with Elementary.

RichC2

Not demo ratings, but they pull viewers, and while not key demo material it's better than nothing. They have tools to gauge who watches the shows as well, so even if the 18 - 49 sucks if they have some rich fuckers watching it, they'll keep it around (it was one the reasons The Office was worth more than CSI in its prime.)

Last season Blue Bloods averaged 12.16m viewers despite the horrible demo ratings, advertisers probably found something worth while in there. This is true for Hawaii Five-O as well. While the 18 - 49 isn't fantastic, it still averages over 10m viewers with a 2.0 demo.

It beats the hell out of the 1m - 5m viewers that other stations pull.

Gizmo

Demo ratings matter. Not viewers. Viewers don't get advertisers to pay more money.

Please see Harry's Law.

People over 50 are not going to suddenly go buy an iPad and drink Pepsi.

Granted, this is CBS and they typically cater to old people, they still go by and care about the demo.

RichC2

Yes they care about the demo, that is their main gauge, but it isn't their only one. Harry's Law really isn't the best example as it pulled well under 10m viewers and held steady at a 1.0 or lower demo.

DJariya

I think H50 could last at least 2 more seasons Friday. It's still a relatively younger skewing show with a young cast. This will probably be Blue Bloods final season. It's a very old skewing show. Selleck lives in California and will probably get tired of commuting to New York to work on it.

Gizmo

No, they don't. Trying to say they do does not make you right.

Vegas pulled in 7.2 million viewers on Friday at a .9. It's cancelled.

Undercover Boss pulled in 7 million Viewers at Friday at a 1.6. It's been renewed.

Viewer's don't matter.

RichC2

So if Vegas had 14m viewers on a Friday at 1.0 (scale hah), it'd certainly be canceled right? Also, you're comparing an expensive scripted show to a low budget reality show there. While I agree with what you're saying in general, it isn't an all out guarantee that a show with a lot of viewers but low demo will instantly get canned. Even the series finale of Harry's Law only pulled about 5.5m total viewers.

Also, you just said "No, they don't" to them caring about demo. Of course they care about demo, but they gotta sell diapers to somebody.

DJariya

Vegas got shit canned because the average viewer's age was between 50-55.

When The Unit aired on CBS, the average viewer was 50 something and that got axed.

RichC2

The Unit is a good example, but they kept that on the air for 4 seasons despite that (season 5 is renegotiation time usually isn't it?)

Gizmo

Yes.

Viewers don't matter. The demo ratings do.

Can it possibly give the 'edge' for renewal over cancellation? Sure, possibly. But demo is king.

Gizmo

Syndication.

It was shitcanned as soon as it hit enough episodes (it was also a Fox production show).

RichC2

Viewers matter but not nearly as much as demo is all I'm getting at. If NCIS had its viewers (upwards of 22m) but a shit demo it'd still be profitable, as long as some of the old people watching were also wealthy.

Must have been one of the lower episode number syndication deals out there.

DJariya

Plus the show getting a syndication deal and the network owning the show helps it.

If The Good Wife didn't get the syndication/streaming deal with Hallmark and Amazon, it probably would have gotten cancelled after this past season.

Blue Bloods is in trouble right now because it lacks an after market deal to get CBS money and of course is an older skewing show.

RichC2

I thought The Unit was a Fox show? Blue Bloods is a perennial bubble show because of the low demo rating, but I think that one will end up syndicated.

The Good Wife deal likely did save it, but I'm sure CBS needs an occasional show to get accolades for the network since their popular shows obviously aren't getting them.