DJariya

By djariya at 2011-07-24

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Episode 13 of 14

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Tom Creo

One question: what the hell was Romeo talking about that Otto did not rat on the club? I'm I missing something or is Romeo setting up SAMCRO?

Tom Creo

Crimson and Clover? Hell yes.

xVladx

That can go any number of ways. It could be like you said, where Romeo is doing something to set up SAMCRO, or it could be that Romeo has a mole of his own in the Cartel, like the guy that's always with him. OR, it could be that Potter really does fly that much under the radar and nobody outside his inner circle knows about Otto.

I just hope they do give us some payoff to how weird Romeo is acting in regards to the club. Between this and his shiftiness about the hit on Tara (not to mention that still-unexplained shot where they made a very explicit point of showing that Tara's would-be assassins weren't Mexican), there needs to be some payoff.

dex14

Good episode. The longer Clay stays alive though the more annoyed I get. I'll forgive it though as these 2 episodes were supposed to be 1.

Also...has anyone heard this crazy stupid rumor that Potter is actually John Teller? One of the dumbest things I've heard in a while lol.

Dragon Tattoo

Great episode. Basically what the entire series has been building up to, though...I wonder where it goes from here?

Also, I'm wondering how they're going to possibly justify keeping their biggest star alive.

majorjoe23

I think someone posed that in an past thread because Potter and old photos of Teller look the slightest bit similar.. Of course, Teller would be the same age as Piney, so that seems pretty unlikely.

But maybe he was frozen like Captain America, or time traveled to the future instead of dying in the wreck. And then his wife wouldn't recognize him when seeing him, for some reason.

bunkaroo

I floated that one a while back but it was mostly a wild guess based on a picture of John Teller looking similar to Potter and a comment from Potter saying the IRA were a source of pain for him or something like that.

But someone here pointed out Potter and Gemma did cross paths this season so I would think that would rule it out unless she couldn't recognize her own dead husband. I could definitely see Potter being tied to the something in SAMCRO's past though.

uteotw

Loved it.

So great when Gemma was telling Jax "the truth" at last that I actually forgot she was only telling him the part she wanted him to hear and was leaving out the parts that hurt her. If ONLY Jax had let Oppie finish off Clay...

At first Tara was getting on my nerves with her whole weird zombie-like thing, but I think we're just seeing the complete transformation of her character. She not only was willing to accept that Jax has to kill Clay, but she was already prepared with (and provided) the way to do it.

MrX

I'm interested in what Romeo is doing. Potter is secretive, but I can't imagine that he would be able to meet multiple times with Otto, work out a deal with him, and have no one know about it.

barelypure

So let me see if I understand what has happened in the last 2 episodes. Opie shoots Clay at point blank range with what looked to be a 45 caliber, twice, and Clay, the tough old bird he is, lived even tho one of the rounds hit a major organ.

I seem to remember that while the entrance wound of a 45 is roughly the size of a quarter, as shown on Clay's torso, the exit wound is anywhere from the size of a softball up. With where he was shot I don't know that he wouldn't have bled out before EMS arrived, assuming he would have survived being shot in the first place.

Gemma makes a play to have Jax, and discourages Opie who has a better and more salient reason, to kill Clay to keep him in Charming. But, Tara 1 ups her by blackmailing her with the letters Gemma didn't show Jax. Smart move lady. She's right, she's learning.

Bobby's locked up but he can't be convicted as they have violated his civil rights. They haven't allowed him his phone call. Otherwise he would have reached out to the club or the club's lawyer. Also, since he wasn't convicted how would they hold him in a prison and not a jail awaiting trial. Where is the court order moving him from jail to prison while awaiting trial. They still do have to try him, right? Potter can't just lock him up as an Al Queda terrorist and send him to Gitmo. Yet kind of how this is being played out.

I'm assuming Juice is locked up at the ATF facility, really the ATF has their own lockup - I didn't know that, for protection. Yet, his absence is more of a death sentence than being outside with the club. This part hasn't been very well thought out.

If the meeting is on Indian lands, Potter surely can't go and make any arrests. That is sovereign territory. He would have to wait for them to exit. Go back to Opie's wedding and Roosevelt sitting outside the lands. Thus Potter has no idea what is taking place. No, this is ill conceived as well.

Tom Creo

I'm with you, barelypure. alot of questions but I had alot leading up to last years finale and most of those were answered. Potter earlier in the season alluded to having someone on the inside of the Cartels. If that person is there during the meeting on reservation land they can arrest them once they leave, correct?

Bobby and Juice, I assume, are being held there until after the meet and I'm assuming Potter has the juice to do this?

Potter's gotta have some history with SAMCRO or bikers in general. He rides, his manner of dress, plus we never see him with his jacket off. I'm guessing he has tats of some kind.

barelypure

So you think Ass-a-veda is a snitch? Makes sense as that's who Romeo turned to about Otto. Unless it's someone in prison. And, if it's Ass-a-veda they wouldn't need Juice since he would know everything Romeo knows?

You can only hold someone for 48 hours then you either have to charge them or let them go and that's assuming you have their permission. Once they ask for a lawyer they have to get them a lawyer. That's why I'm saying Bobby would know the law as good as any $80 lawyer and would be screaming for an attorney. Juice may know they arrested him for his own protection and is content to stay put.

As to Potter, either that or he has a man crush on bikers. I'm guessing somewhere in his past a biker ran over his cat and he swore revenge.

Tom Creo

Ass-a-veda. lol We love our Shield, don't we? The only thing with him being an informant is that we've seen him and Romeo kill.

Of course either one could be like Nicholson in The Departed.

wirefan

My major problem is with the shitstorm going on why is noone asking:

"Hey where is Opie, Juice, Bobby and Piney?"

I get Jax not caring about a couple of those folks as he knows what happened (and probably has suspicions about Bobby and Juice) but other than asking someone (Chibs?) to reach out to their lawyer about Juice and Bobby... why is noone else wondering why the hell the club isn't together during a crisis?

They have their president shot, a major meet with the Irish/Cartel, and are possibly at war with the Niners.... and most of the club is OK with "oh I'm sure they'll turn up soon" mode and at a minimum don't feel the need to reach out and say watch your back the Niners might be looking for some payback.

The other thing which I found odd was after Jax was talking to I think Tig and Chibs, he walked away and was apparently talking to himself (saying something like I have to get up to speed on the Irish stuff). I almost got the feeling he was wired or maybe had an open phoneline (maybe to the cartel?), just seemed odd that he would be talking to himself (unless it was the writers feeling the need to be lazy again)

Tom Creo

Yeah that was weird. WHo the hell was he talking to? lol

dino88

Yeah, I had to rewind that part. That was some weird shit. Any chance Jax will get killed off next week? I know the answer, but I just don't think I can take another season of his pouty looks and that crazy arm swinging strut. The guy is a bad actor.

wirefan

I was also rewinding it... (not for the strut, but to see if he really was talking to himself)

Speculation on Jax (I have no inside info)

Dragon Tattoo

Yeah, I wasn't sure whether that was just amateur exposition or what. The writers for this show never seemed to be that lazy before, though.

gmanca

What the hell is up with the constant plot device of someone just missing someone else or not getting all of the info before acting on an issue? So many of the storylines in this show could be resolved if someone asked a question or someone got told the truth.

This show has great characters but sub-par storytelling.

flashburn

Yeah, that really threw me off, had to rewind it also. There has to be something more about it other than bad exposition.

barelypure

As to your last speculation, and I'm just guessing off of what you posted

Ropes Pierre

Someone should make a compilation of him saying "jesus christ". it is every other scene.

Jax, Clay shot Piney
"jesus christ"

Jax, the cartel tried to kill tara
"jesus christ"

Jax, we ran out of toilet paper
"jesus christ"

This was also the most preposterous episode i have seen.

Tig drives that ford taurus like an old woman straight to his bike, and makes no attempt to lose the niners chasing him.

Jax opens fire on the niners, in broad daylight, surrounded by civilians, and wearing his cut, while the rest of the gang rides by also fully identifiable. Even if people were scared shitless, they could say they saw some bikers with some kind of "reaper thing" on their backs. Probable cause to raid the clubhouse at the least by the sheriff.

the whole gang put together, could not literally hit the broad side of a barn in "patch over", now jax is shooting guns out of Opie's hand like he is annie oakley.

they have reasonable suspicion that bobby is being held. no attempt to get their lawyer to look into this, and hold off on any deals in case he was compromised.

i am starting to think jax pulled a vic mackey and will admit to everything in exchange for immunity. maybe he will even get a job with ATF out of the deal. Either that or he is talking to his dead father ala Hamlet.