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Old 06-19-10, 04:53 PM
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Armond White: The Love Him or Hate Him Thread

With all the Armond White talk spreading out across multiple threads, I figured I'd make a thread just for him.

White is a film critic for The New York Press. He received a Master of Fine Arts from Columbia University in New York, has taught many film classes at his alma mater, and is the author of three books--The Resistance: Ten Years of Pop Culture That Shook the World, Rebel for the Hell of It: The Life of Tupac Shakur, and Keep Moving: The Michael Jackson Chronicles.

Armond White is also known as the most contrarian of the major film critics, disagreeing with the mainstream on almost every major film. His attitude has in fact prompted Roger Ebert to call him "a troll" in his article "Not In Defense of Armond White." The article was originally "In Defense of Armond White" but Ebert amended it after seeing this informative table: http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1897/...isntinsane.jpg

Use this thread to discuss your love, hate, confusion, etc. of Armond White.

Note: I'm creating this thread in good humor and in the spirit of discussion. Not everyone is going to agree on this controversial critic, so I do ask that everyone remain civil to each other, otherwise I shall be forced to take moderator action. Thank you.
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Armond White is a moron.
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Re: Armond White: The Love Him or Hate Him Thread

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needs a poll
I really don't think he's sexy enough to be a stripper, but hey, whatever turns you on.
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We have talked ad naseum about him at the Criterionforum for a long time and the consensus is the same: this guy is an asshole. The worst about this is that he is a educated, well read man who is doing a complete disservice to the film critics community and to black people. His arrogance and attitude reflect the angry black man stereotype that black people have fought against and his views on films are so contradictory and poorly written that in makes his profession look like a joke. In today's world where film critics have been fired due companies thinking they can plug any idiot to do the job, Armond is the guy that makes those corporate drones think they are making good decisions.
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By the way, Armond and the other asshole who gave a bad review to Toy Story are most likely doing this to bring traffic to their sites and earn more money though ads. This article shows how idiotic are their opinions but also how broken is the system at Rottentomatoes, who have made a celebrity out of a horrible film critic.


Meet The Only Two People Who Hate Toy Story 3
By Josh Tyler: 2010-06-18 19:10:28

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Meet The Only Two People Who Hate Toy Story 3 Film is subjective and that means that even though a group of people might watch the same movie, they’ll have different opinions on what they just watched. And most of the time, all of those are opinions are valid. It’s impossible for an opinion to be wrong. Most of the time. Sometimes though, something is so self-evident that it moves beyond opinion. When everyone in the world gets together and agrees that yes, this is really good, that one lone voice standing in the corner and shouting the opposite isn’t just a different opinion, it’s a wrong opinion.

Until a few hours ago, Toy Story 3 had a 100% fresh rating on the review compiler Rotten Tomatoes. It’s a feat almost never accomplished by modern movies. The few other films to carry the 100% fresh rating all pre-date the modern era or they were reviewed by a small handful of critics, usually fewer than forty or fifty. Yet with more than 130 reviews in, Toy Story 3 had a 100% fresh rating. Enter two assholes.

Their names are Armond White and Cole Smithey, and they’re the only two critics in the world who hate Toy Story 3. Thanks to them, and only them, Toy Story 3 now has a 99% fresh rating on RT. And they’re wrong. Flat out wrong.

Armond attempts to justify his hatred by accusing you, and everyone else who loves the Toy Story movies of being brainwashed. He slanders Toy Story 3 as being one big advertisement, overwhelmed by ridiculous amounts of product placement. This actually isn’t an opinion, it’s an accusation, and it’s the entire point of his review. One problem: It’s untrue.

White would have you believe that simply using a Barbie doll in your movie means you’ve sold out to some corporation. But if that were what Pixar was doing, they’d have used the latest Barbie and decked her out in all the latest outfits to dazzle viewers into running out and buying one. But this Barbie is frumpy, her wardrobe is outdated, and she’s clearly trapped in the 80s. Instead what Toy Story has done, and has always done, is use something specific. They could have thrown in some random Barbie-like doll, but you’d have been distracted by it and left wondering why they didn’t use the real thing. Instead they use Barbie and in the process make an instant connection between your memories of playing with that specific toy and what’s going on in the film. It’s your window into their world. It’s not product-placement, it’s good storytelling.

Armond White’s review is full of hatred, unfounded accusations, and condescension. It rails against anything which is popular and begs people to watch obscure movies instead, just because they’re obscure. He actually thinks Small Soldiers is better than anything Pixar has to offer, and that’s not just a bad opinion, it’s insanity.

A look back at Armond’s past reviews reveals that he’s not someone who should be allowed to review movies. He’s more a negative film critic stereotype than an actual reviewer. He’s the kind of guy that’s getting fired from newspapers in droves, and no one seems to miss them. This is a man who hated Avatar and Up in the Air, but loved The Losers and From Paris With Love. His review record indicates that he’s a contrarian. If everyone else likes it, he hates it. If everyone else hates it, he likes it. If it’s an obscure indie movie nobody cares about, he’s given it a positive review. If it’s a Hollywood blockbuster which most people enjoyed, he thinks it represents the end of modern cinema. This is not someone that anyone should listen to.

Cole Smithey’s review (which I refuse to link to) is slightly more reasonable, but perhaps that’s only because he barely managed to write three paragraphs about the film. His website proclaims him “The Smartest Film Critic in the World”, yet he doesn’t seem to have anything to say. He’s writing one of the only negative reviews of one of the most universally loved movies of all time, yet he can barely come up with three small paragraphs to justify his position. Scratch that, two paragraphs. One of them is devoted entirely to plot synopsis. He seems less interested in the film than he is in ancillary issues. He spends most of his review complaining about the film’s rating, an issue to take up with the MPAA and no fault of Toy Story 3’s. The closest he comes to a real criticism is in complaining about how much money the movie cost to make.

Yet Cole Smithey loves Marmaduke of all things and didn’t seem to be bothered by its bloated budget. And he loves Shrek Forever After, which cost as much to make as Toy Story 3 but had less to say. He managed four paragraphs about that one. Look through his resume and you’ll find yourself asking this question: Did Cole Smithey really hate Toy Story 3, or did he like the traffic hating it would bring to his website? He is, after all, the Smartest Film Critic in the World.

It’s not their hatred of Toy Story 3 that’s so galling, it’s their utter failure in amongst that hatred, to come up with even one relevant criticism of the film. Neither of them really ever discuss the movie itself, they’re too busy stroking their own egos or attacking the world which refuses to think like them. White is obsessed with product placement, which doesn’t exist. Smithey seems only concerned with production budgets. It’s suspicious that they’ve waited until the last minute to publish their reviews. Rotten Tomatoes orders review links based on when they’re posted. So the longer you wait to publish your review, the more likely it is that it’ll be at the top and viewed by thousands. What does it mean when the only two negative reviews of a film are intentionally posted late? To me it says someone’s gaming the system.

But whether they actually hate Toy Story 3 or they’re simply pretending to hate it in a callous bid to inflate their Analytics, it seems clear that Smithey and White are flat out wrong. Their reviews are built on hate, not real film criticism. They rail against anyone who likes it, happily sitting alone on their bitter, hate-filled island. An island of wrong. Hundreds of film critics have proclaimed their love for Toy Story over the course of three movies and the two baldies who hate it can’t really tell us why. Most of the time film is subjective. This time it’s not.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Meet-...y-3-19118.html
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I like him. He amuses me.
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While I disagree that Toy Story 3 is objectively fantastic and should not be criticized, I do agree that White and Cole present paper-thin arguments that rely more on outside elements than they do on Toy Story 3. White's review reads like "Toy Story 3 isn't good because Movie X is good. And you're an idiot if you disagree."
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He's a moron and a troll. That's a fact, not an opinion.
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Re: Armond White: The Love Him or Hate Him Thread

seems like he does post negative reviews to get attention, which he promptly gets. i don't care either way, since i know that.
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I think he's an asshole. A well-educated, $5-word-lovin', non-sensical asshole.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
White's review reads like "Toy Story 3 isn't good because Movie X is good. And you're an idiot if you disagree."
All his reviews are like that. That is why he used to have a "Better than" list at the end of the year.
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OK, poll added.
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Third thing. He's a fraud, but a well-perpetrated one.
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Originally Posted by dx23
By the way, Armond and the other asshole who gave a bad review to Toy Story are most likely doing this to bring traffic to their sites and earn more money though ads. This article shows how idiotic are their opinions but also how broken is the system at Rottentomatoes, who have made a celebrity out of a horrible film critic.




http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Meet-...y-3-19118.html
I agree I think it's a bigger problem that the mob loves junk like toy 3 and train a dragon so much that they hate this random critic. At least he has his own take. Different from " a rip roaring high octane thrill ride. "
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Did any critic call Toy Story 3 a "rip roaring high octane thrill ride"?
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He's an attention-getter. And by doing this, it is how he is more well-known than other 'critics' who give better reviews with merit.
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I don't see a problem with him any more than other movie reviewers who just lavish obvious praise on a movie, giving people the self-validation they need to enjoy a movie.

I agree with most of his reviews, but I don't agree with his scores. There are good and bad points for every movie, but they don't deserve not to be seen. The inverse is true for his reviews of "good" movies.
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He's an attention-getter. And by doing this, it is how he is more well-known than other 'critics' who give better reviews with merit.
Roger Ebert, whose opinion I can disagree with at times but I respect his views and acknowledgment of what I disagree with based on that he tells you why. Most of the time though...I agree w/ him.

I've never heard of Armond White till last year via this website.
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I agree I think it's a bigger problem that the mob loves junk like toy 3 and train a dragon so much that they hate this random critic. At least he has his own take. Different from " a rip roaring high octane thrill ride. "
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back so smugly.
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Originally Posted by CloverClover
I agree I think it's a bigger problem that the mob loves junk like toy story3 and how totrain a dragon so much that they hate this random critic. At least he has his own take. Different from " a rip roaring high octane thrill ride. "
I'm punching on the dark on this one but...was that quote, IF REAL, from a TV or Radio station...cuz it seems those fucks always give something out like that.
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Never heard of him.
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Love him or hate him, there is no question that he is a troll and a genuine moron. I have no doubt at all that he writes his reviews for the sole purpose of generating web site visitors, and I think anyone that is a fan of film and critics should be ashamed for taking up for the asshole. Almost everyone believes that is his gimmick as well, especially those in the industry, and it's simply disrespectful of him to be like that, and I think he should be ashamed.

I can understand people being entertained by his schtick, but anyone who actually takes it seriously or agrees with him more often than not, I lump right in with him in the same category.

And no, not all of his reviews are the opposite of everyone else, but I also believe he does that on purpose to at least give people a reason to have second thoughts about his reviews just being an act. I can't believe some people fall for it either.

Just a quick look at his RT profile shows that more often than not, and especially on the major releases and critical favorites, he is the exact opposite of the general consensus:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/author/author-2725/

You can see all you need to know about this joker from his Little Man review:

http://www.newyorkpress.com/19/29/film/ArmondWhite.cfm

Does the Wayans family realize that the concept behind Little Man, their latest collective project, makes it a near-classic comedy? Director Keenen Ivory Wayans and his performing brothers Marlon and Shawn are notorious for childish impudence and sarcasm in such hits as Scary Movie and White Chicks. But in Little Man, dealing with their habitual irrepressible immaturity unleashes something poignant. It makes this silly, lightweight film almost deep.
And then there is always his Mr. 3000 review:

http://www.nypress.com/article-10157...k-natural.html

What makes Ross the finest characterization on screen this year (comparable to Bresson's realness) is that Mr. 3000 represents a hell of a balancing act. He's an existential American man going through psychological and political slapstick, which Bernie Mac makes absolutely credible. Unlike the neo-W.C. Fields irascibility Mac shows on his Fox tv series, Ross is wound too tight to warm up to anyone. "I'm a certified immortal! And there ain't nothin' y'all sons of bitches can do about it!" he declares. This boast goes to disgruntled fans and peeved sports writers who think Ross gets his comeuppance when he has to return to the team due to a counting error. Though short of his goal, Ross doesn't immediately change his habits, because Mr. 3000 isn't pabulum like Seabiscuit, where a sports hero turns sweet. This characterization digs down into the core of masculine pride that makes people simultaneously admire and resent outstanding athletes.
I'm sorry, if anyone thinks that Armond White is anything more than a guy with a well played act or a genuine moron with a thesaurus, then they are...well...
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He sounds like the Skip Bayless of film critics...


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