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raven56706
03-10-08, 01:17 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin


rotfl... my god

bwvanh114
03-10-08, 01:19 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin


rotfl... my godWhat a moran. He was an attorney general and busted up some prostitution rings in the past. Can Classicman add this to his list of republican scandals?

Tracer Bullet
03-10-08, 01:22 PM
He's a Democrat, so at least we know it can't be a gay prostitution ring!

TheMadMonk
03-10-08, 01:24 PM
He's a Democrat, so at least we know it can't be a gay prostitution ring!

Exactly what I was going to post.

Mr.Briggs
03-10-08, 01:26 PM
Finally get rid of Pataki and now this!

kvrdave
03-10-08, 01:26 PM
He's a Democrat, so at least we know it can't be a gay prostitution ring!

:lol:

You're stupid. But there's just something about you.....

X
03-10-08, 01:33 PM
Daffy Duck said it best...

http://www.wiseacre-gardens.com/sound/daffy15.wav

Jeremy517
03-10-08, 01:36 PM
:lol:

VinVega
03-10-08, 01:39 PM
Nice job Spitzy. -ohbfrank-

Tommy_Harn
03-10-08, 01:43 PM
Only two years ago, Spitzer could do no wrong. Oh, how the mighty have fallen . . .

Sean O'Hara
03-10-08, 01:44 PM
I thought Spitzer was untouchable? And it turns out he's paying $5000/hr to get touched.

wishbone
03-10-08, 01:47 PM
3/07/2008
Emperor's Club VIP

US authorities have smashed an online escort service that gave its prostitutes a one to seven diamond-ranking, with a "seven diamond" woman costing $US5500 ($5921) an hour.

Four organisers and managers of the international ring were arrested by US authorities and charged with conspiracy to violate federal prostitution laws, Newsday.com reported.

Another two of the men were also accused of attempting to launder more than $1.08 million in illicit proceeds from business.

The ring was known as the Emperor's Club VIP and offered 50 prostitutes in New York, Paris, Washington, Miami and London, The New York Times reported.http://trends-fashion-entertainment.blogspot.com/2008/03/emperors-club-vip.html

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8069/41033664savalaspz0.jpg
"Feel the Velvet, baby."

Red Dog
03-10-08, 01:52 PM
I wonder if the diamond rating system reflects looks or acts willing to perform. If the later, I have to wonder if he ordered a Cleveland Steamer?

bwvanh114
03-10-08, 01:53 PM
$6,000 an hour? Do they prorate? If so, $50 will buy me enough time.

Artman
03-10-08, 01:57 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/artman79/HaHa.jpg

wishbone
03-10-08, 01:58 PM
I wonder if the diamond rating system reflects looks or acts willing to perform. If the later, I have to wonder if he ordered a Cleveland Steamer?Whatever was ordered better have some Cool wHip...

http://www.digitalhooligans.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/coowhip-tm.jpg
"Well, you put Cool wHip on pie; pie tastes better with Cool wHip."

X
03-10-08, 02:00 PM
Maybe he's just trying to make himself eligible to run as Hillary's VP.

mike45
03-10-08, 02:07 PM
Stop the madness. Legalize and regulate prostitution.

We can tax each act.

lordwow
03-10-08, 02:08 PM
So I guess that's how he was getting a leg up on his rivals.

Sean O'Hara
03-10-08, 02:08 PM
Fox is saying he's already been indicted and is going to resign.

JasonF
03-10-08, 02:13 PM
Congratulations on your forthcoming promotion, New York Lieutenant Governor Patterson!

raven56706
03-10-08, 02:13 PM
He just spoke and said he did do it... but he didnt resign... weird stuff

X
03-10-08, 02:14 PM
How many points is the stock market going to go up in celebration?

Jeremy517
03-10-08, 02:14 PM
You can see what a 5-diamond girl looks like. Sort of.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/emperors-club-all-about-_n_90768.html

Sean O'Hara
03-10-08, 02:15 PM
Maybe he's just trying to make himself eligible to run as Hillary's VP.

No, clearly Hillary engineered this story to come out today and overshadow Obama's inevitable win in Mississippi.

Jeremy517
03-10-08, 02:17 PM
I wonder if he loses his superdelegate vote?

raven56706
03-10-08, 02:18 PM
geez.... for that money she better paint my house too

Red Dog
03-10-08, 02:20 PM
And clients called in wanting to know what they should tell their accountants about the expenses they were racking up with the Emperors Club.


:lol: You gotta love it. "How can I deduct this?" :lol:

wendersfan
03-10-08, 02:21 PM
I wonder if he loses his superdelegate vote?No, unlike Senator Lieberman he's still a good Democrat. ;)

coli
03-10-08, 02:21 PM
I swear these democratic politicians from NJ/NY turn over faster then an Olympic Gymnast during their routine.

Torrecelli, McGreevey, Spitzer, who's next from the Democrats from this area?

lordwow
03-10-08, 02:27 PM
I swear these democratic politicians from NJ/NY turn over faster then an Olympic Gymnast during their routine.


I know there's some innuendo joke to be made here.

raven56706
03-10-08, 02:30 PM
at the press conference, he barely looked fazed

bwvanh114
03-10-08, 02:33 PM
You can see what a 5-diamond girl looks like. Sort of.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/emperors-club-all-about-_n_90768.htmlI'd hit it.

raven56706
03-10-08, 02:39 PM
i'd hit it but for less

Red Dog
03-10-08, 02:42 PM
The wiretap recording, made during an investigation of a prostitution ring called Emperors Club VIP, captured a man identified as Client 9 on a telephone call confirming plans to have a woman travel from New York to Washington, where he had reserved a room. The person briefed on the case identified Mr. Spitzer as Client 9.


What are the odds that this was done under the guise of some anti-terror Patriot Act bullshit? ;)

X
03-10-08, 02:44 PM
What are the odds that this was done under the guise of some anti-terror Patriot Act bullshit? ;)I don't know, is the Gambino family classified as a terrorist group?

TheNightFlier
03-10-08, 02:46 PM
Way to go Elliot :up:

sracer
03-10-08, 02:47 PM
Finally it's out. Spitzer has been a sleaze for his whole political life. Why he got so far has been a mystery to me... well, not really.

Mr.Briggs
03-10-08, 02:48 PM
IF he stays in office & IF he ran for reelection I can see a whole different 3am phone call ad in that campaign.

JasonF
03-10-08, 02:49 PM
JhWVkn4wYdA

al_bundy
03-10-08, 02:55 PM
does this diamond girl thing have anything to Michael Ninn?

Red Dog
03-10-08, 02:57 PM
I know it's a pipe dream, but I hope this hypocrite gets the going-rate for convicted Johns and that he is labeled a sex offender and has to register with the authorities.

lotsofdvds
03-10-08, 03:01 PM
He'll admit he's an alcoholic soon, and go away for treatment.

wendersfan
03-10-08, 03:03 PM
I know it's a pipe dream, but I hope this hypocrite gets the going-rate for convicted Johns and that he is labeled a sex offender and has to register with the authorities.-pray-

The Bus
03-10-08, 03:05 PM
I thought Spitzer was untouchable? And it turns out he's paying $5000/hr to get touched.

He's a Democrat, so at least we know it can't be a gay prostitution ring!

How many points is the stock market going to go up in celebration?

6/5 rotfl

bhk
03-10-08, 03:08 PM
For people's info, Bahney Fwank's boyfriend ran a homosexual prostitution ring from their condo in DC.

Also, it took until the 10th paragraph of the NYT story before there was any mention of party affiliation.

Sean O'Hara
03-10-08, 03:10 PM
I don't know, is the Gambino family classified as a terrorist group?

I bet they're jumping for joy about now -- sure, they just lost a high class prostitution ring, but bringing down Spitzer in the process must be worth it.

Tracer Bullet
03-10-08, 03:10 PM
Also, it took until the 10th paragraph of the NYT story before there was any mention of party affiliation.

Probably because, and I'm just throwing this out here, it's a New York paper and most people that live in New York know the party affiliation of their governor.

X
03-10-08, 03:12 PM
... and most people that live in New York know the party affiliation of their governor.I wouldn't bet much on that.

bhk
03-10-08, 03:14 PM
Probably because, and I'm just throwing this out here, it's a New York paper and most people that live in New York know the party affiliation of their governor.

But the NYT touts itself as an international paper and is read by more people than just live in NY. But disregarding that for a moment, if this was a republican, the party affiliation would appear in the headline or the first 3 paragraphs.

cinten
03-10-08, 03:15 PM
Probably because, and I'm just throwing this out here, it's a New York paper and most people that live in New York know the party affiliation of their governor.


No, it was left out because as part of a vast left wing conspiracy by the liberal media.

lordwow
03-10-08, 03:19 PM
If he's paying that much an hour for a hooker, he must be a Republican.

Tracer Bullet
03-10-08, 03:21 PM
But the NYT touts itself as an international paper and is read by more people than just live in NY.

True, but they've been playing this as a NY story. They haven't labelled him "New York Governor", for example.

Pointyskull
03-10-08, 03:22 PM
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bhk
03-10-08, 03:23 PM
Now we'll (hopefully) see Clintonesque excuses/explanations from his supporters.

lordwow
03-10-08, 03:24 PM
Fixed

I don't see what you changed ;)

bhk
03-10-08, 03:34 PM
There Governor looked down his nose,
and spoke in flowery prose.
He said right was right,
and for justice he'd fight
And then went out and laid with ho's


Only thing missing now are the dems proclaiming that this is a GOP dirty trick.

wendersfan
03-10-08, 03:37 PM
Now we'll (hopefully) see Clintonesque excuses/explanations from his supporters.
FWIW, so far <i><a href = "http://www.salon.com">Salon</a></i> has been merely critical of Spitzer, offering no excuses or blame. :shrug:

I haven't been to DailyKos or (shudder) Eschaton yet.

Tracer Bullet
03-10-08, 03:41 PM
FWIW, so far <i><a href = "http://www.salon.com">Salon</a> has been merely critical of Spitzer, offering no excuses or blame. :shrug:

I haven't been to DailyKos or (shudder) Eschaton yet.

UPDATE: At $5500/hour, the Emperor's Club prostitutes cost Spitzer approximately the same as Rudy's security detail cost the taxpayers of NYC every time that Rudy went to the Hamptons on a tryst with Judy.

Well, there's that (from Daily Kos).

Sex Fiend
03-10-08, 03:52 PM
Couldn't care less. :shrug: He did good work suing dishonest corporations. :up:

They ripped him off, too.

Wow, I agree with Vandelay... and that never happens.

JasonF
03-10-08, 03:58 PM
Wow, I agree with Vandelay... and that never happens.

-ohbfrank- Gee, what a surprise. "Sex Fiend" thinks Governor Spitzer's behavior was OK.



;)

wildcatlh
03-10-08, 04:10 PM
The below is from the official complaint this comes from. Spitzer was allegedly "Client-9". I apologize for formatting, as the OCR from PDF to Word gets screwed up and I'm too lazy to fix it.

73. On February 11, 2008, at approximately 10:53 p.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a "Rachelle," the defendant, using the 6587 Number, sent a text message to CECIL SUWAL, a/k/a "Katie," a/k/a "Kate," the defendant, at the 3390 Number. In the text message, LEWIS wrote: 'Pls let me know if [Client-9's] 'package' (believed to be a reference to a deposit of money sent by mail) arrives 2mrw. Appt wd b on Wed." (Call 3728C). SUWAL sent a text message back to LEWIS, stating: 'K." (Call 3731C).

74. On February 12, 2008, at approximately 2:37 p.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a 'Rachelle," the defendant, using the 6587 Number, called a prostitute who the Emperors Club marketed using the name "Kristen." During the call, LEWIS left a message for "Kristen" that the "deposit" had not arrived today, but that they should be able to do the trip if the deposit arrived
tomorrow. (Call 9324R) . At approximately 4:03 p.m. , LEWIS received a call from "Kristen." During the call, "Kristen" said that she had heard the message, and that was fine. LEWIS and "Kristen" then discussed the time that "Kristen" would take the train from New York to Washington, D.C. LEWIS told "Kristen" that there was a 5:39 p.m. train that arrived at 9:00 p.m., and that "Kristen" would be taking the train out of Penn Station. LEWIS confirmed that Client-9 would be paying for everything - train tickets, cab fare from the hotel and back, mini bar or room service, travel time, and hotel. LEWIS said that they would probably not know until 3 p.m. if the deposit arrived because
Client-9 would not do traditional wire transferring. (Call 9362) .

75. At approximately 8:12 p.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a "Rachelle," the defendant, using the 6587 Number, received a call from Client-9. During the call, LEWIS told Client-9 that the "package" did not arrive today. LEWIS asked Client-9 if there was a return address on the envelope, and Client-9 said no. LEWIS asked: "You had QAT . . .," and Client-9 said: "Yup, same
as in the past, no question about it." LEWIS asked Client-9 what time he was interested in having the appointment tomorrow. Client-9 told her 9:00 p.m. or 10:00 p.m. LEWIS told Client-9 to call her back in five minutes. (Call 9460R) .

76. At approximately 8:14 p.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a "Rachelle," the defendant, using the 6587 Number, called MARK BRENER, a/k/a "Michael," the defendant, at the 0937 Number. During the call, LEWIS told BRENER that Client-9 had just called about an appointment for tomorrow, and that he had around $400 or $500 credit. SUWAL said that she did not feel comfortable saying that Client-9 had a $400 credit when she did not know that for a
fact. SUWAL and BRENER talked in the background about whether Client-9 could proceed with the appointment without his deposit having arrived. (Call 9462R). At approximately 8:23 p.m., LEWIS called Client-9, and told him that the 'office" said he could not proceed with the appointment with his available credit. After discussing ways to resolve the situation, LEWIS and Client-9 I
agreed to speak the following day. (Call 9467R) .

77. On February 12, 2008, at approximately 9:22 p.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a "Rachelle," the defendant, using the 6587 Number, sent a text message to ''Kristen." In the text message, LEWIS wrote: 'If D.C. appt. happens u will need 2 leave NYC @ 4:45pm. Is that possible?" (Call 9515R). "Kristen" wrote back: "Yes." (Call 9516R) .

78. At approximately 3 : 2 0 p.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a "Rachelle," the defendant, using the 6587 Number, received a call from Client-9. During the call, LEWIS told Client-9 that they were still trying to determine if his deposit had arrived. Client-9 told LEWIS that he had made a re'servation at the hotel, and had paid for it in his name. Client-9 said that there would be a key waiting for her, and told LEWIS that what he had on
account with her covered the "transportation" (believed to be a reference to the cost of the trainfare for "Kristen" from New York to Washington, D.C.). LEWIS said that she would try to make it work. (Call 9636R). At approximately 3:24 p.m., LEWIS, using the 6587 Number, called CECIL SUWAL, a/k/a "Katie," a/k/a "Kate," the defendant, at the 3390 Number. LEWIS explained to SUWAL what Client-9 had proposed. SUWAL told LEWIS she would call her back. (Call 9642R) . At approximately 3 : 53 p.m., MARK BRENER, a/k/a "Michael," the defendant, using the 0937 Number, called LEWIS at the 6587 Number. BRENER and LEWIS discussed the problem about
Client-9's deposit. (Call 9654R). At approximately 4:18 p.m., SUWAL, using the 3390 Number, sent a text message to LEWIS at the 6587 Number, stating: "[Plackage arrived. Pls be sure he rsvp hotel." (Call 9659R) .

79. At approximately 4:21 p.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a "Rachelle, " the defendant, using the 6587 Number, called "Kristen. During the call, LEWIS told "Kristen" that the package had arrived, and that "they (believed to be a reference to MARK BRENER, a/k/a "Michael," and CECIL SUWAL, a/k/a "Katie,"
a/k/a "Kate," the defendants) just got the mail. LEWIS told "Kristen" to get to Penn Station and call her when she picked up her tickets. (Call 9661R) . At approximately 4 :48 p.m., LEWIS sent a text message to "Kristen," stating: "TRAIN INFO Departing from Penn St. Arriving 8 Union St. Washington, DC NYC to DC Train # 129 Dep. 5:39pm Arr. 9pm." (Call 9G79R). At approximately 4:54 p.m., LEWIS sent another text message to "Kristen stating: "TRAIN INFO Return trip DC to NYC Train #84 Dep. 2/14 8:35pm Arr.
ll:57am." (Call 9683R).

80. At approximately 4:58 p.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a "Rachelle," the defendant, using the 6587 Number, received an incoming call from Client-9. During the call, LEWIS told Client-9 that his package arrived today, and Client-9 said good. LEWIS asked Client-9 what time he was expecting to have the appointment. Client-9 told LEWIS maybe 10:OO p.m. or so, and
asked who it was. LEWIS said it was "Kristen," and Client-9 said "great, okay, wonderful ." LEWIS told Client-9 that she would give him a final price later, and asked Client-9 whether he could give "Kristen" "extra funds" at this appointment in order to avoid payment issues in the future. Client-9 said maybe, and that he would see if he could do that. LEWIS explained that the
agency did not want a model accepting funds for a future appointment, but that she was going to make an exception that way a deposit could be made so that he would have a credit, and they would not have to "go through this" next time. Client-9 said perfect, and that he would call her regarding the room number. (Call 9686R) .

81. At approximately 7:51 p.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a "Rachelle," the defendant, using the 6587 Number, received a call from Client-9. During the call, LEWIS told Client-9 that the balance was around ,"2611 (believed to be a reference to $2,600), but she would give him an exact number later. LEWIS asked if when "Kristen" went to pick up the key she would have to
give a name or would she be able to say that she was one of Client-9's guests for whom he left an envelope. ~EW1~'and Client-9 discussed how to arrange for "Kristen" to get the key to her hotel room. LEWIS said that she would prefer if "Kristen" did not have to give a name. Client-9 said that he was trying to 'think this through." Client-9 repeated that his balance was
'2600," and stated that maybe he would give "her," a reference to "Kristen," '3600" and have a thousand on balance. LEWIS suggested making it "1500fl more. Client-9 said that would make it "4100," and said that he would look for a bank and see about it. Client-9 told LEWIS to let him go down and take care of this, and suggested that maybe he could put it [the hotel key] in an envelope with the concierge. (Call 9725R).

82. At approximately 8:47 p.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a "Rachelle," the defendant, using the 6587 Number, received a call from Client-9. During the call, Client-9 told LEWIS to tell "Kristen" to go to the hotel and go to room 871. Client-9 told LEWIS that the door would be open. Client-9 told LEWIS that there would be a key in the room, but the door would be ajar.
LEWIS asked if the hotel staff might pass by the door and close it, and Client-9 said no it was okay. Client-9 explained that the door would not be visibly open, but if someone pushed it, the 4 door would open. LEWIS told Client-9 that his balance was $2,721.41, and that if he wanted to do an additional "1500 or even "2000" it would be better. Client-9 said that he did not know if he could get to a machine to do that, but he would see.
LEWIS said that 'Kristen" would go directly to room ,871. Client-9 asked LEWIS to remind- him what 'Kristen" looked like, and LEWIS said that she was an American, petite, very pretty brunette, 5 feet 5 inches, and 105 pounds. Client-9 said that she should go straight to 871, and if for any reason it did not work out, she should call LEWIS. (Call 9731) .

83. At approximately 9 : 3 2 p.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a "Rachelle," the defendant, using the 6587 Number, received a call from "Kristen." During the call, '"Kristen" said that she was in the room. LEWIS told "Kristen" that she would call her back when she knew when Client-9 would be there. (Call 9734R).

84. At approximately 9:36 p.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a 'Rachelle," the defendant, using the 6587 Number, received a call from "Kristen." During the call, LEWIS told "Kristen" that "he," a reference to Client-9, was at the hotel. "Kristen" told LEWIS that she just talked to him. 'Kristen" said that
Client-9 was coming to her. LEWIS told "Kristen" that Client-9 should be giving her "extra," and that the extra should be deposited into [redacted]. LEWIS told "Kristen" to text her when he arrived and LEWIS would start the four hours then, and also to let her know if he left early. (Call 9741R).

85. On February 14, 2008, at approximately 12:02 a.m., TEMEKA RACHELLE LEWIS, a/k/a "Rachelle," the defendant, received a call from "Kristen." During the call, "Kristen" told LEWIS , that "he," a reference to Client-9, had left. LEWIS asked "Kristen" what time he got there, and "Kristen" said "15 after .
. . maybe 10." LEWIS asked "Kristen" how she thought the appointment went, and "Kristen" said that she thought it went very well. LEWIS asked "Kristen" how much she collected, and 'Kristen" said $4,300. "Kristen" said that she liked him, and that she did not think he was difficult. "Kristen" stated: 'I
don't think he's difficult. I mean it's just kind of like . . . whatever. . . I'm here for a purpose. I know what my purpose is. I am not a . . . moron, you know what I mean. So maybe that's why girls maybe think they're difficult . . . . " "Kristen" continued: "That's what it is, because you're here for a [purpose]. Let's not get it twisted - I know what I do, you know." LEWIS responded: "You look at it very uniquely, because . . . no one .ever says it that way." LEWIS continued that from what she had been told "he" (believed to be a reference to Client-9) "would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think were safe - you know - I mean that . . . very basic things. . . . "Kristen" responded: "I have a way of dealing with that .
. . I'd be like listen dude, you really want the sex? . . . You know what I mean." Near the end of the call, LEWIS and "Kristen" discussed "Kristen's" departure via Amtrak, the room that Client-9 had provided for "Kristen," and "Kristen's" share of the cash that Client-9 had provided to her. (Call 9750R).

bhk
03-10-08, 04:10 PM
Just for fun, how did the gov. pay for his hookers. Did it come from private money or from his expense account. And if it came from his private account, who was responsible for withdrawing that amount of cash?

Oh and it has been fun reading every story describe this ring as "high class". :lol:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20080310spitzer-complaint.pdf

The above is the official complaint.

wishbone
03-10-08, 04:10 PM
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2563/g080310cvrspitzer1pgridxe2.jpg
(Dammit! I was going to get beaucoup reward
points on the Capital One® card I used too...)

Sex Fiend
03-10-08, 04:12 PM
-ohbfrank- Gee, what a surprise. "Sex Fiend" thinks Governor Spitzer's behavior was OK.


;)

Who said there's no honor among sex fiends?

:) :)

parrotheads4
03-10-08, 04:18 PM
I know where Spitzer got the money.

Under Pataki I was paying $12,000/yr for school & property taxes. Under Spitzer I am now paying $16,000/yr.

exm
03-10-08, 04:41 PM
LOL what a great story. Now only if the new governor can undo the transit taxes.

bwvanh114
03-10-08, 04:56 PM
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2563/g080310cvrspitzer1pgridxe2.jpg
He should go back to coaching the Steelers.

Ranger
03-10-08, 05:19 PM
Wow, if he actually resigns, he must have been a really bad boy.

Red Dog
03-10-08, 05:30 PM
UPDATE: At $5500/hour, the Emperor's Club prostitutes cost Spitzer approximately the same as Rudy's security detail cost the taxpayers of NYC every time that Rudy went to the Hamptons on a tryst with Judy.

They must offer a training course for this kind of stuff for NY elected officials.

bhk
03-10-08, 05:31 PM
Perhaps he can have his pal Hillary look into confiscating the obscene profits of Big Prostitution. After all, how are ordinary working folks going to be able to afford $5000 an hour hookers?

das Monkey
03-10-08, 05:34 PM
I know it's a pipe dream, but I hope this hypocrite gets the going-rate for convicted Johns and that he is labeled a sex offender and has to register with the authorities.
Don't you think being Kornheiser's Tramp Stamp is punishment enough?

das

Tracer Bullet
03-10-08, 05:49 PM
LOL what a great story. Now only if the new governor can undo the transit taxes.

Yeah, that's what we want to do- starve public transit.

bhk
03-10-08, 05:57 PM
No, we want to kill public transit. But carry on.

Some bimbette on DNCTV(PMSNBC) chided america for being prudish about sex.

About 13 minutes into the hour, Contessa Brewer brought on Dershowitz for his reaction, explaining at one point that Dershowitz taught Spitzer at Harvard. He sounded quivering and emotional:

I have two reactions. One, I feel terrible for Eliot and his family. But I feel that this is a America-only story that we have to put in perspective. You know, big deal, married man goes to prostitute! In Europe, this wouldn't even make the back pages of the newspaper. It's a uniquely american story. We’re a uniquely, you know, pandering society and hypocritical society, when it comes to sex.

:lol:
Yes, bimbette, it is America's fault that Spitzer was caught with his pants down.

cinten
03-10-08, 06:04 PM
It's so funny to see those who defended Larry Craig attack Spitzer.

parrotheads4
03-10-08, 06:11 PM
LEWIS continued that from what she had been told "he" (believed to be a reference to Client-9) "would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think were safe - you know - I mean that . . . very basic things. . . . "Kristen" responded: "I have a way of dealing with that .
. . I'd be like listen dude, you really want the sex? . . . You know what I mean."

:whofart:

Sean O'Hara
03-10-08, 06:24 PM
It's so funny to see those who defended Larry Craig attack Spitzer.

Hey, I think prostitution should be legalized and regulated, but if it's true that the Emperor's Club was run by the Gambinos, then Spitzer was leaving himself open to blackmail by the mafia. This is also going to raise questions about his conduct when he was a prosecutor -- were any of his decisions on whether to prosecute prostitution rings influenced by where he was doing business? Craig fooling around in public restrooms didn't have as much possibility of corruption as Spitzer's situation does.

Rockmjd23
03-10-08, 06:25 PM
It's so funny to see those who defended Larry Craig attack Spitzer.
You really don't see the difference in this case?

OldDude
03-10-08, 06:27 PM
From "Crusader of the Year" to "John of the Year," in one stupid step.

His wife didn't look very happy on the TV news clip.

bhk
03-10-08, 06:50 PM
Originally Posted by cinten
It's so funny to see those who defended Larry Craig attack Spitzer.
Please name those who defended Craig with links.
At least Spitzer didn't tap his toe in a men's restroom at the airport. :lol:

cinten
03-10-08, 07:10 PM
Please name those who defended Craig with links.
At least Spitzer didn't tap his toe in a men's restroom at the airport. :lol:

Don't have the time, I have to build a fence to protect my family from the invading hordes of head chopping, rapist muslims that you are warning us about on a daily basis.

bhk
03-10-08, 07:13 PM
Don't have the time, I have to build a fence to protect my family from the invading hordes of head chopping, rapist muslims that you are warning us about on a daily basis.
Oh that's alright then. Protecting my family would be number one on my list too. Hop to it.

cpgator
03-10-08, 07:16 PM
Don't have the time, I have to build a fence to protect my family from the invading hordes of head chopping, rapist muslims that you are warning us about on a daily basis.
They are actually just misunderstood - you should probably go over there and talk with them. ;)

Dr Mabuse
03-10-08, 07:21 PM
some first rate one liners in this thread...

spainlinx0
03-10-08, 07:36 PM
For people's info, Bahney Fwank's boyfriend ran a homosexual prostitution ring from their condo in DC.

Also, it took until the 10th paragraph of the NYT story before there was any mention of party affiliation.

But the NYT touts itself as an international paper and is read by more people than just live in NY. But disregarding that for a moment, if this was a republican, the party affiliation would appear in the headline or the first 3 paragraphs.

I don't know if they changed the article, but it is in the third paragraph.

ALBANY - Gov. Eliot Spitzer, who gained national prominence relentlessly pursuing Wall Street wrongdoing, has been caught on a federal wiretap arranging to meet with a high-priced prostitute at a Washington hotel last month, according to a law enforcement official and a person briefed on the investigation.

The wiretap captured a man identified as Client 9 on a telephone call confirming plans to have a woman travel from New York to Washington, where he had reserved a hotel room, according to an affidavit filed in federal court in Manhattan. The person briefed on the case and the law enforcement official identified Mr. Spitzer as Client 9.

Mr. Spitzer, a first term Democrat, today made a brief public appearance during which he apologized for his behavior, and described it as a “private matter.” He did not address his political future.

DVD Polizei
03-10-08, 07:46 PM
Everyone wants The Spitzer.

A new soft drink 6-pack from the Jones Soda Company. Buy the collectible 6-pack.

What you get:

1 - Deepthroat Dank (Do you really need to ask what this tastes like?)
2 - Eliot's Juice
3 - Progressive Putang
4 - NY Minute
5 - Emperors Club Cock & Tail
6 - No Comment (we haven't figured out what this tastes like, but some people like it)

All procedes from sales will go directly to the Democrat and Republican 'I Love To Have Sex With Anyone But My Wife' Fund

lordwow
03-10-08, 07:48 PM
How many diamonds are each?

crazyronin
03-10-08, 07:59 PM
Everyone wants The Spitzer.

A new soft drink 6-pack from the Jones Soda Company. Buy the collectible 6-pack.

What you get:

1 - Deepthroat Dank (Do you really need to ask what this tastes like?)
2 - Eliot's Juice
3 - Progressive Putang
4 - NY Minute
5 - Emperors Club Cock & Tail
6 - No Comment (we haven't figured out what this tastes like, but some people like it)

All procedes from sales will go directly to the Democrat and Republican 'I Love To Have Sex With Anyone But My Wife' Fund

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3056/spitzermotherth4.jpg

-ohbfrank-

wishbone
03-10-08, 08:07 PM
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/980/animalmotherxt3.jpg

-ohbfrank-animalronin with the clarification :lol:

DVD Polizei
03-10-08, 08:29 PM
RE: FMJ and Pussy Lovers.

You can spell this at least two ways, putang ina mo. -rolleyes-

bhk
03-10-08, 08:32 PM
I don't know if they changed the article, but it is in the third paragraph.
There were 2-3 different itenerations of the same article. And it has changed back and forth.


Incredibly, in lead stories Monday night about New York Governor Eliot Spitzer being linked to a prostitution ring, neither ABC's World News nor the NBC Nightly News verbally identified Spitzer's political party. Must mean he's a liberal Democrat -- and he is. CBS anchor Katie Couric, however, managed to squeeze in a mention of his party.

While ABC and NBC failed to cite Spitzer's political affiliation in the four minutes or so each network dedicated to the revelations, both managed to find time to applaud his reputation and effectiveness as the Empire State's Attorney General before becoming Governor. Fill-in ABC anchor Elizabeth Vargas hailed how “he gained a reputation around the country for aggressively cracking down on corporate corruption. He was elected Governor with a reputation for fighting crime.” ABC reporter Dan Harris maintained “Governor Spitzer is known as a straight arrow, an ambitious overachiever...” Substitute NBC anchor Ann Curry pointed to how Spitzer's “reputation for righteously prosecuting wrongdoing gave him the nickname Eliot Ness.”

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/03/10/straight-arrow-governor-eliot-ness-spitzer-ny

DVD Polizei
03-10-08, 08:39 PM
What a loser.

Red Dog
03-10-08, 09:08 PM
Don't you think being Kornheiser's Tramp Stamp is punishment enough?

das


A sunburst no less. :lol:

Red Dog
03-10-08, 09:11 PM
From "Crusader of the Year" to "John of the Year," in one stupid step.

His wife didn't look very happy on the TV news clip.


Yep. Priceless. There is nothing sweeter than seeing such authoritarian holier-than-thou crusaders get theirs.

Ranger
03-10-08, 09:20 PM
Saw a bit of the story on FoxNews. Reporter said this was at the mayflower hotel in DC. Anyone been there or at least seen it? Is this the same call girl group that Vitter got in trouble for or this is a different one?

It is an awesome story to start the week.

Red Dog
03-10-08, 09:24 PM
It's pretty sweet - a friend of mine's parents bid and won an auction for a weekend in the Presidential Suite a few years ago and I got to check it out. And the lounge at the Mayflower has a reputation for crawling with high-end working girls.

X
03-10-08, 09:47 PM
Yep. Priceless. There is nothing sweeter than seeing such authoritarian holier-than-thou crusaders get theirs.I think this is a very sad statement.

Red Dog
03-10-08, 10:36 PM
I think this is a very sad statement.


Sorry if I'm not more sympathetic toward self-proclaimed "steamrollers." Make that "fucking steamrollers."

DVD Polizei
03-10-08, 10:39 PM
At least he was for embryonic stem cell research and same-sex marriage. Seemingly a very open-minded individual. Maybe too open-minded.

I'm sure a lot of Catholics are loving this day.

Red Dog
03-10-08, 10:58 PM
Looks like it's been going on for some time and the feds weren't even looking at prostitution to begin with. :lol:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4424507&page=1


It Wasn't the Sex; Suspicious $$ Transfers Led to Spitzer
Officials Say Spitzer Is 'Client 9' in a Federal Complaint Against the Prostitution Ring
By BRIAN ROSS
March 10, 2008—

The federal investigation of a New York prostitution ring was triggered by Gov. Eliot Spitzer's suspicious money transfers, initially leading agents to believe Spitzer was hiding bribes, according to federal officials.

It was only months later that the IRS and the FBI determined that Spitzer wasn't hiding bribes but payments to a company called QAT, what prosecutors say is a prostitution operation operating under the name of the Emperors Club.

As recently as this past Valentine's Day, Feb. 13, Spitzer, who officials say is identified in a federal complaint as "Client 9," arranged for a prostitute "Kristen" to meet him in Washington, D.C.

The woman met Client 9 at the Mayflower Hotel, room 871, "for her tryst," according to the complaint. Client 9 also is alleged to have paid for the woman's train tickets, cab fare, mini bar and room service, travel time and hotel.

The suspicious financial activity was initially reported by a bank to the IRS which, under direction from the Justice Department, brought kin the FBI's Public Corruption Squad.

"We had no interest at all in the prostitution ring until the thing with Spitzer led us to learn about it," said one Justice Department official.

Spitzer, who made his name by bringing high-profile cases against many of New York's financial giants, is likely to be prosecuted under a relatively obscure statute called "structuring," according to a Justice Department official.

Structuring involves creating a series of financial movements designed to obscure the true purpose of the payments.

Prosecutors reportedly have a series of e-mails and wiretapped phone conversations of Spitzer.

In a interview two years ago, Spitzer, then-attorney general, told ABC News he had some advice for people who break the law. "Never talk when you can nod, and never nod when you can wink, and never write an e-mail because it's death. You're giving prosecutors all the evidence we need," he said.



Good god - what a dumbass. He should resign for stupidity over any other reason. You gotta love the quote at the end. rotfl

X
03-10-08, 11:08 PM
So Spitzer's responsible for yet another bust of a prostitution ring. He obviously should have said it was a personal ongoing investigation.

Dave7393
03-10-08, 11:11 PM
I don't think Spitzer survives this, one way or another. Here's more than I ever thought I'd know about my current lieutenant governor:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080310/ap_on_re_us/spitzer_what_s_next

By MICHAEL GORMLEY, Associated Press Writer
Mon Mar 10, 7:09 PM ET

ALBANY, N.Y. - Less than two years after he reluctantly ran for lieutenant governor, David Paterson is suddenly in line to be only the third black governor since Reconstruction, and the first in New York.

"He's the next governor and probably quite soon," said Maurice Carroll, director of Quinnipiac University's Polling Institute and a longtime New York political reporter.

Attention turned to Paterson immediately after word surfaced Monday that Gov. Eliot Spitzer had been linked to a high-priced prostitution ring. In a brief appearance in front of reporters, Spitzer issued a vague apology and did not mention resignation.

If Spitzer quits, Paterson automatically becomes governor and would complete Spitzer's term, which ends Dec. 31, 2010.

There was no immediate comment from Paterson.

Paterson, a 53-year-old Democrat from Harlem who is mostly blind, is well respected by Republicans and Democrats.

Former New York City Mayor Edward Koch recently called Paterson "very capable, not withstanding his near sightlessness. It's never impeded his public actions or his personal actions, and he's really overcome it in an extraordinary way."

Paterson, who does not use a cane or a guide dog, can make out shapes and even people up close. He lost most of his sight as an infant when an infection damaged his optic nerve. He still talks of his fragile self-esteem in childhood and recalls not being invited to parties because "people thought I would fall and hurt myself."

Paterson's disability has never been an issue in Albany in his 20-year political career. He has memorized lengthy, impassioned speeches without missing a mark.

"He's knowledgeable about New York state government and politics, and he's a guy who likes to get along with people," Carroll said.

The only other black governors since Reconstruction were Deval Patrick, currently serving in Massachusetts and L. Douglas Wilder of Virginia, who left office in 1994.

As for what a Gov. Paterson would face, Carroll sees a "fairly placid, amiable time for a while."

Paterson has enjoyed a good relationship with Spitzer's chief nemesis, Republican Majority Leader Joseph Bruno, despite being the architect of a plan that got Democrats to within one seat of controlling the Senate. In pointed yet humorous floor debates, a kind of father-son relationship was evident between the younger Harlem Democrat and the rural, upstate Republican, who is 78.

Two years ago, Paterson was so focused on taking control of the Senate and becoming majority leader that he was surprised by Spitzer's offer to be lieutenant governor.

Carroll described Bruno as "scrappy," but said "he doesn't go looking for fights."

Paterson would also have an advantage in that he would ascend to the governor's office with most of three years remaining in the term he would fill. That spares him the challenge of being a a lame-duck.

"If he becomes governor, he can move forward with what he wants to do as governor and start to set a tone," said Lee Miringoff of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion. "The state will have been shaken by all these revelations. And I think he's someone who is widely respected, and he has a lot of experience in the corridors of Albany."

JasonF
03-10-08, 11:11 PM
What's the over-under on when we'll see the Law and Order episode about this?

Ranger
03-10-08, 11:12 PM
As recently as this past Valentine's Day, Feb. 13, Spitzer, who officials say is identified in a federal complaint as "Client 9," arranged for a prostitute "Kristen" to meet him in Washington, D.C.
Warming up for V-Day, I guess.

BTW: the structuring statute, how it different from what porn sites do? Obviously, a bit more money is involved - usually any transfers over $10k automatically gets the IRS's attention.

DVD Polizei
03-11-08, 12:38 AM
Transfers in any amount may or may not get the IRS's attention. Just depends on frequency, any flags a bank puts on their customers' accounts, etc.

coli
03-11-08, 06:23 AM
The NY Statehouse should play the Beatles White Album Song all day, "Number 9.....Number 9.....Number 9......."

Red Dog
03-11-08, 07:16 AM
He's the most famous Number 9 since Ted Williams.

al_bundy
03-11-08, 07:42 AM
http://www.nypost.com/

NY Post had the best front page this morning

Red Dog
03-11-08, 07:46 AM
Saw that on Morning Joe. Brilliant. :lol::thumbsup:

wishbone
03-11-08, 07:59 AM
http://www.nypost.com/

NY Post had the best front page this morninghttp://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8770/nypostpq8.jpg

:lol:

al_bundy
03-11-08, 08:03 AM
and with the wife,

names of divorce lawyers danced in her head


seriously what a moron, all the wife has to do is get a decent lawyer and a forensic accountant to audit their finances and then turn the info over to the FBI

DJLinus
03-11-08, 08:13 AM
I haven't been to DailyKos or (shudder) Eschaton yet.

A friend of mine sent me a link to this shortly after the news broke yesterday:

Elliott Spitzer linked to prostitutes
by Keith930
Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:11:12 PM PDT
I'll bet you $50 to $500 that this story...

http://www.nytimes.com/...

is the unseamly underside of Bush's FISA fanatcism....that this government..OUR government...is casting a net "in search of terrorists" so wide, and so deliberately. so as to reel in shit like this...and use it politically.

If Spitzer has a taste for call girls, I won't defend that... Neither am I prone to jump on it and go to town. I'm strictly of the Larry Flynt camp...Let it all out, and let the hypocrites wither in the light of day.

But I have a very discerning internal alarm. and that alarm tells me that this story only hit the news because the NSA, or the FBI...was snooping on this guy because he is so on the record as a trust buster and corporate cop.

Mark my words...this has the Bush Administration's fingerprints all over it...and if the MSM digs a little deeper, they will find what Congress is afraid to look for...evidence that Bush's wiretap program has less to do with terrorists than it has to do with political foes.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/10/185251/010/127/473813

Sean O'Hara
03-11-08, 08:38 AM
David Paterson is suddenly in line to be only the third black governor since Reconstruction, and the first in New York.

As opposed to all the black governors before Reconstruction. Why not just say, "The third black governor in the history of the US"?

wendersfan
03-11-08, 08:40 AM
As opposed to all the black governors before Reconstruction. Why not just say, "The third black governor in the history of the US"?I think the point is that a lot of African-Americans held elective office <i>during</i> Reconstruction.

Venusian
03-11-08, 08:45 AM
Looks like there was one black gov in LA during reconstruction for 35 days (actually, he was half black like Obama ;)). So that would make this guy 4th overall. Why not just say that?

wildcatlh
03-11-08, 09:09 AM
HuffPo has screenshots of the Emperor's Club website, including pics and a price list (completely SFW). Don't see anything there that's worth $5k an hour. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/emperors-club-all-about-_n_90768.html

JasonF
03-11-08, 09:17 AM
A friend of mine sent me a link to this [koo-koo anti-Bush Spitzer conspiracy post at Daily Kos] shortly after the news broke yesterday:

True, but the comments are 80% making fun of the guy because he called the governor "Elliot Spencer" and 20% making fun of the guy because of his kooky theory. I think I saw one comment saying anything close to "Hey, I think this guy is right!"

There's always going to be some partisan kooks who try to blame the Democrats or the Republicans (as the case may be) for every slight, real or imagined. But most people recognize that if you're moving money around in a suspicious manner, and the reason you're doing that is to pay off prostitutes, it won't take a sinister conspiracy to send you to jail.

Red Dog
03-11-08, 09:48 AM
You'd think a steamrolling former editor of Harvard Law Review, former NY A.G., and white collar crime expert would be more familiar with the financial reporting regulations out there. Perhaps instead of staying at The Mayflower, he should have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, plugged into the complimentary hi-speed internet and pulled up this handy wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_your_customer

parrotheads4
03-11-08, 09:49 AM
A friend of mine sent me a link to this shortly after the news broke yesterday:Mark my words...this has the Bush Administration's fingerprints all over it...and if the MSM digs a little deeper, they will find what Congress is afraid to look for...evidence that Bush's wiretap program has less to do with terrorists than it has to do with political foes.


This guy had enemies on every side of the law. The Gambino's had 62 people indicted at the end of Feb. Of those indicted 60 struck a plea deal.

bhk
03-11-08, 09:51 AM
I don't think Spitzer survives this, one way or another. Here's more than I ever thought I'd know about my current lieutenant governor:


Are you kidding? Corrput democrat politicians hang around and stink up the place like a bad compost heap. The media and their constituants give them a free pass because their "heart is in the right place".

wishbone
03-11-08, 09:52 AM
There's always going to be some partisan kooks who try to blame the Democrats or the Republicans (as the case may be) for every slight, real or imagined. But most people recognize that if you're moving money around in a suspicious manner, and the reason you're doing that is to pay off prostitutes, it won't take a sinister conspiracy to send you to jail.Well said JasonF. :up:

Dave7393
03-11-08, 10:00 AM
Are you kidding? Corrput democrat politicians hang around and stink up the place like a bad compost heap. The media and their constituants give them a free pass because their "heart is in the right place".

I'm not sure what scandal you're following, so tell me who, exactly, is giving him a "free pass?" Think about that when he likely makes his resignation speech within the next few days.

JasonF
03-11-08, 10:21 AM
Are you kidding? Corrput democrat politicians hang around and stink up the place like a bad compost heap. The media and their constituants give them a free pass because their "heart is in the right place".

Helpful tip of the day #1: The word is "Democratic." Capital D, "-ic" on the end.

Helpful tip of the day #2: There's a list of corrupt Republican politicians who are "hanging around stinking up the place" as long as my arm. Which is not to say there isn't an equally long list of corrupt Democratic politicians. Corruption, sadly, is not a partisan issue.

wishbone
03-11-08, 10:23 AM
Public apology, the ritual of repentance
Post-scandal litany of New York Gov. Spitzer has familiar echoes
By Libby Copeland
washingtonpost.com
3/11/2008

We are riveted, but why? Nearly every post-scandal news conference is like every other. There's a script to these things, as we all know, and New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer followed it to the letter yesterday in seeming to acknowledge his involvement with a prostitute and apologizing for it.

He and his wife got up onstage, they stood close, he took responsibility, he took no questions. We've seen all this before, but across America, people watched for the panic, the angst, the teary eyes and, most of all, for that moment of clarity when Silda Wall Spitzer might rear back and slug her husband in the jaw.

That, of course, didn't happen. It never does. The post-scandal news conference, by its formulaic nature, attempts to project order and control in the messiest of public moments. If you hit all the right lines, you can at least contain the damage.

We test the crisis-management script.

First, we watch the news conference. There's Spitzer, with his wife by his side. He says, "I want to briefly address a private matter." Then he expresses remorse (albeit vaguely) and promises to "dedicate some time to regain the trust of my family."

Then, we call Mark Geragos, the high-profile criminal defense attorney, who -- as it happens -- has not actually seen the news conference. He proceeds to describe the news conference that he has not seen.

"You've got to have the dutiful wife and you have to have the 'it's a private matter,' " Geragos says. "And remorse for the past and plans for the future."

Whoa.

"If you've seen one, you've seen 'em all," Geragos says.

How strange that so many of us watch when we already know what will happen. And as we watch, random thoughts emerge: Did Silda Spitzer know when she got dressed this morning what she was dressing for? And did he change his tie from blue to a bold red, knowing that this image of him would be indelible? How do you dress for a scandal?

And what about that last line?

"I will report back to you in short order," Spitzer said at the end of the news conference, like he was closing a business deal and just needed to check some numbers, like he was completely in control of the situation.

The post-scandal news conference is all about control. The husband and wife must present a united front, which is why the wife has to be there, as Dina McGreevey was when New Jersey Gov. Jim McGreevey announced an affair with another man, and as Suzanne Craig was when Idaho Sen. Larry Craig denied allegations of soliciting a man for sex in an airport bathroom, and as Wendy Vitter was when Louisiana Sen. David Vitter, accused of involvement with a prostitute, apologized for his "very serious sin."

"If you don't have the spouse with you, the signal sent is one of abject debauchery and guilt," says Eric Dezenhall, a crisis management consultant. "When the wife or the family is with you, that suggests, well, somebody close to this person loves them and thinks they're worthwhile."

The cynic might say that the audience for these news conferences is engaging in schadenfreude, that we watch such dramas because we are bad, bad people. But a kinder truth is that we watch others to learn about ourselves. We are always amazed to find that high-profile people's lives are as troubled as our own, or even more so. And it's not joy we feel, but a certain a-ha of recognition. They are fallible, after all.

We wonder about hypocrisy, and the political sphere's's unending capacity for it. We wonder about the difference between appearances and reality -- the difference between the crusading attorney-general-turned-governor and his alleged private crookedness.

And we wonder about grace, too. What tranquil space do wronged spouses visit in their mind's eyes during these news conferences? Do they all go to the same grassy field?

We have questions upon questions. We wonder what we will know tomorrow.

Because if this scandal follows the script of so many others before it, there will be more revelations in days to come.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23568768/"I feel terrible for Eliot and his family," said Dershowitz. "But I feel that this was a story that we have to put in perspective. Big deal. Married man goes to prostitute. In Europe, this wouldn't even make the back pages of the newspaper."http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/dershowitz-comes-to-spitz_n_90783.html

So as the former article alludes to at the end will there be more revelations in the days to come or is this just a story of marital infidelity as Alan Dershowitz cites in his quote?

bhk
03-11-08, 10:28 AM
William Jefferson (Democrat, Louisiana)
Bahney Fwank(Democrat, Taxachussettes). Claimed he didn't know boyfriend was running a homosexual prostitution ring from the condo that they lived in together. Fwank is touted as one of the smart people in Congress.

Ted Kennedy(Democrat, Taxachusettes)(drove off a bridge and let a woman drown while he swam out and ran to get a lawyer)

Gerry Stubbs(Democrat) Flew a Congressional male page overseas to have sex. Kept his congressional seat.

Bill Clinton(Democrat, Arkansas) proven beyond a doubt to commit perjury. Kept his office while being declared one of the best presidents by his VP. Most elected dem senators voted to keep him in office.

Those are just off of the top of my head.

Tracer Bullet
03-11-08, 10:34 AM
Nice to see that you're keeping up your class act status by making fun of the way Barney Frank talks. :thumbsup:

Dave7393
03-11-08, 10:37 AM
Nice to see that you're keeping up your class act status by making fun of the way Barney Frank talks. :thumbsup:

Beat me to it

lotsofdvds
03-11-08, 10:44 AM
Why is anyone trying to make this a Democratic/Republican issue? There are scumbags on both sides. End of argument.

That being said, aside from the crime against his family, I don't get all the fuss.

Red Dog
03-11-08, 10:52 AM
I don't get all the fuss.


Well, there shouldn't be a fuss about it if we had a rational view of what should and what shouldn't constitute crimes.

Unfortunately, it has been the Elliot Spitzers of the country who want the government heavily involved in such private matters. Heck, he even agreed it is a private matter: "Today I want to briefly address a private matter. I have acted in a way that violates my obligations to my family and violates my, or any, sense of right and wrong."

Unfortunately, when he was on the other end of things - representing government, he certainly did not treat such activities as a private matter. In other words, he wants it both ways. That's why it's a fuss.

wendersfan
03-11-08, 10:56 AM
Why is anyone trying to make this a Democratic/Republican issue?Because for some people that's all that matters.

Red Dog
03-11-08, 11:06 AM
The scary prospect for NYers is that the door is now more open for Mayor Nine Eleven to make a run for governor in 2010. Or maybe Schumer would be worse were he to run for the Dem nomination. :lol:

Good gracious - NY has some really awful politicians.

Tracer Bullet
03-11-08, 11:07 AM
The scary prospect for NYers is that the door is now more open for Mayor Nine Eleven to make a run for governor in 2010. Or maybe Schumer would be worse were he to run for the Dem nomination. :lol:

Good gracious - NY has some really awful politicians.

Oh good god.

Well, here's hoping that Patterson is wonderful and easily wins reelection in 2010.

bhk
03-11-08, 11:12 AM
Because for some people that's all that matters.

But this isn't the media bias thread.
Nice to see that you're keeping up your class act status by making fun of the way Barney Frank talks.
I wonder what you'd say if I made fun of his limp wrist? ;)

Beat me to it

But did I show you how corrupt Dem pols stay around and stink up the place like a bad compost heap like was asked of me?

Tracer Bullet
03-11-08, 11:14 AM
I wonder what you'd say if I made fun of his limp wrist?

Hmm... I dunno. Laugh at you, probably.

Edit: Saw the addition of the smiley. Who do you think you're fooling?

bhk
03-11-08, 11:18 AM
Hmm... I dunno. Laugh at you, probably.

Edit: Saw the addition of the smiley. Who do you think you're fooling?
:lol:

This story is so wonderful. I'm so happy that this a-hole got caught. Hopefully this might sink his prospect of further office, though knowing that he's a dem his constituents might view this as a badge of honor.

JasonF
03-11-08, 11:23 AM
William Jefferson (Democrat, Louisiana)
Bahney Fwank(Democrat, Taxachussettes). Claimed he didn't know boyfriend was running a homosexual prostitution ring from the condo that they lived in together. Fwank is touted as one of the smart people in Congress.

Ted Kennedy(Democrat, Taxachusettes)(drove off a bridge and let a woman drown while he swam out and ran to get a lawyer)

Gerry Stubbs(Democrat) Flew a Congressional male page overseas to have sex. Kept his congressional seat.

Bill Clinton(Democrat, Arkansas) proven beyond a doubt to commit perjury. Kept his office while being declared one of the best presidents by his VP. Most elected dem senators voted to keep him in office.

Those are just off of the top of my head.

David Vitter
Larry Craig
Newt Gingrich
Henry Hyde
Rudy Giuliani

Just off the top of my head.

I'm sure if we hit Google, you could come up with dozens more Democrats embroiled in scandals and I could come up with dozens more Republicans embroiled in scandals. What exactly would that prove?

al_bundy
03-11-08, 11:30 AM
William Jefferson (Democrat, Louisiana)
Bahney Fwank(Democrat, Taxachussettes). Claimed he didn't know boyfriend was running a homosexual prostitution ring from the condo that they lived in together. Fwank is touted as one of the smart people in Congress.

Ted Kennedy(Democrat, Taxachusettes)(drove off a bridge and let a woman drown while he swam out and ran to get a lawyer)

Gerry Stubbs(Democrat) Flew a Congressional male page overseas to have sex. Kept his congressional seat.

Bill Clinton(Democrat, Arkansas) proven beyond a doubt to commit perjury. Kept his office while being declared one of the best presidents by his VP. Most elected dem senators voted to keep him in office.

Those are just off of the top of my head.


if you lived here you would understand it's not a blue/red issue but an Elliot Spitzer issue

the last 6-7 years he has sued and prosecuted too many people and made too many enemies like say Dick Grasso. he made himself out to be a boyscout and now that he got caught committing a felony that can land him in jail for 20 years people are laughing at him

i wouldn't be surprised that he had enemies at his bank and one of them "accidentally" sent the info to the IRS after noticing something strange

Dave7393
03-11-08, 11:30 AM
:lol:

This story is so wonderful. I'm so happy that this a-hole got caught. Hopefully this might sink his prospect of further office, though knowing that he's a dem his constituents might view this as a badge of honor.

Are you one of his constituents? Have you spoken to any? You obviously have no idea how little support he has, especially among the people who you somehow think will give him a "free pass" or bestow upon him a "badge of honor.".

And speaking of stories like this, it would be nice if users had listed something remotely resembling where they're living instead of the wit and wisdom people list as their "location." I'd be curious who voted for Spitzer, what they thought of him as governor, etc, in a situation like this, but that's tough to do here, considering the complete lack information people list in their profiles. Or maybe geography and someone's political views have nothing at all to do with eachother, ofcourse. :sarcasm:

bhk
03-11-08, 11:30 AM
You forgot Mark Foley. He's gone.
Newt Gingrich is gone(from public office)
David Vitter will soon probably be gone
Henry Hyde: dead
Rudy Guiliani: not a public official. Not nominated.

bhk
03-11-08, 11:31 AM
You obviously have no idea how little support he has, especially among the people who you somehow think will give him a "free pass" or bestow upon him a "badge of honor.".

We'll see but I suspect I will be right.

Dave7393
03-11-08, 11:33 AM
But did I show you how corrupt Dem pols stay around and stink up the place like a bad compost heap like was asked of me?

Really, who asked you that?

Red Dog
03-11-08, 11:34 AM
I'm curious to know whether bhk thought he was an a-hole before yesterday and why?

JasonF
03-11-08, 11:36 AM
You forgot Mark Foley. He's gone.
Newt Gingrich is gone(from public office)
David Vitter will soon probably be gone
Henry Hyde: dead
Rudy Guiliani: not a public official. Not nominated.

All of the people I listed kept their public office after their scandals became public, often winning re-election multiple times.

JasonF
03-11-08, 11:36 AM
I'm curious to know whether bhk thought he was an a-hole before yesterday and why?
I'm going to guess "Yes" and "Because he was a Democrat."

bhk
03-11-08, 11:37 AM
I suspect the same people who gave the above dem pols that I listed a free pass will eventually give Spitzer. I hope I am wrong and he goes to jail and dies in obscurity or a footnote in history but let's just say that I know the media and the people they cater to.

bhk
03-11-08, 11:38 AM
Originally Posted by Red Dog
I'm curious to know whether bhk thought he was an a-hole before yesterday and why?
That's the vibe I get from what he's done to Wallstreet. As are Oxley and Sarbanes.

Venusian
03-11-08, 11:51 AM
Is the problem people have with him that he did his job as AG?

bhk
03-11-08, 11:55 AM
Yes. What's his great accomplishment as Gov.? Well, besides destroying Hillary's campaign by trying to give drivers licenses to illegal aliens.

JasonF
03-11-08, 11:58 AM
The Chicago newspapers are all excited because apparently, Client 10 is a Chicagoan! He had a prostitute flown from LA to Chicago last week! Who could it be? I'm going to guess -- on the basis of absolutely no evidence whatsoever -- dairy magnate and perennial failed candidate Jim Oberweiss.

(And before bhk gets excited, Senator Obama was in Texas that night, so it ain't him).

cinten
03-11-08, 12:00 PM
I'm curious to know whether bhk thought he was an a-hole before yesterday and why?

Eliot Spitzer (D)

bhk
03-11-08, 12:03 PM
Always a day late and a dollar short.

:lol:

bhk
03-11-08, 12:06 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/love_client_number_9_to_the_tu.html


March 11, 2008
Love Client Number 9 (to the tune of 'Love Potion Number Nine')
Jack Kemp

I took my troubles down to Madame X
Hey, you know it's just a-bout sex
She's got a pad painted puce and lime
Sellin' little bimbos to Love Client Number Nine
I told her I had a dull sex life
But do not tell that to my wife
She looked at my palm and she made a magic sign
She said "Your voter I-D is Love Client Number Nine"
She bent down and turned around and gave me a wink
She said "You gotta wash up right here in the sink"
She told me there won't be any scandal press ink
I held my breath, I took a step, I crossed the brink
I didn't know if it was day or night
I kissed every Clinton groupie within sight
But when I kissed a cop down on K Street one time
She busted me for bein' Love Client Number Nine

[guitar solo]



I held my breath, I took a step, I crossed the brink
I didn't know if it was day or night
I kissed every Clinton groupie within sight
But when I kissed a cop down on K Street one time
She busted me for bein' Love Client Number Nine
Love Client Number Nine
Love Client Number Nine
Love Client Number Nine


(Jack Kemp is not the politician of the same name)

cinten
03-11-08, 12:08 PM
I hope I am wrong and he goes to jail

Pretty harsh for hiring a hooker, Maybe he should have just lied to a grad jury instead.

and dies in obscurity or a footnote in history but let's just say that I know the media and the people they cater to.

They cater to the left wing because the media is blah blah blah.....

cinten
03-11-08, 12:09 PM
Always a day late and a dollar short.

:lol:


Doesn't change the fact that it's the truth.

sracer
03-11-08, 12:13 PM
Is the problem people have with him that he did his job as AG?
Absolutely not. I have a "problem" with him because he has been a hypocritical sleaze for as long as I've known about him. (back when I lived in NY)

bhk
03-11-08, 12:17 PM
Pretty harsh for hiring a hooker, Maybe he should have just lied to a grad jury instead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/nyregion/11inquire.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Revelations Began in Routine Tax Inquiry
By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM
Published: March 11, 2008
The rendezvous that established Gov. Eliot Spitzer’s involvement with high-priced prostitutes occurred last month in one of Washington’s grandest hotels, but the criminal investigation that discovered the tryst began last year in a nondescript office building opposite a Dunkin’ Donuts on Long Island, according to law enforcement officials.
After a report that Gov. Eliot Spitzer had patronized a prostitution ring, officials in Albany greeted the news with shock, and some on Wall Street, a frequent target of his investigations as attorney general, were unsympathetic.
There, in the Hauppauge offices of the Internal Revenue Service, investigators conducting a routine examination of suspicious financial transactions reported to them by banks found several unusual movements of cash involving the governor of New York, several officials said.

The investigators working out of the three-story office building, which faces Veterans Highway, typically review such reports, the officials said. But this was not typical: transactions by a governor who appeared to be trying to conceal the source, destination or purpose of the movement of thousands of dollars in cash, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The money ended up in the bank accounts of what appeared to be shell companies, corporations that essentially had no real business.

The transactions, officials said, suggested possible financial crimes — maybe bribery, political corruption, or something inappropriate involving campaign finance. Prostitution, they said, was the furthest thing from the minds of the investigators.

Soon, the I.R.S. agents, from the agency’s Criminal Investigation Division, were working with F.B.I. agents and federal prosecutors from Manhattan who specialize in political corruption.

The inquiry, like many such investigations, was a delicate one. Because the focus was a high-ranking government official, prosecutors were required to seek the approval of the United States attorney general to proceed. Once they secured that permission, the investigation moved forward.

At the outset, one official said, it seemed like a bread-and-butter inquiry into political corruption, the kind of case the F.B.I. squad, known internally by the designation C14, frequently pursues.

But before long, the investigators learned that the money was being moved to pay for sex and that the transactions were being manipulated to conceal Mr. Spitzer’s connection to payments for meetings with prostitutes, the official said.

Then, with the assistance of a confidential informant, a young woman who had worked previously as a prostitute for the Emperor’s Club V.I.P., the escort service that Mr. Spitzer was believed to be using, the investigators were able to get a judge to approve wiretaps on the cellphones of some of those suspected of involvement in the escort service.

The wiretaps, along with the records of bank accounts held in the names of the shell companies, revealed a world of prostitutes catering to wealthy men. At the center was the Emperor’s Club, which arranged “dates” with more than 50 beautiful young women in New York, Paris, London, Miami and Washington.

But its finances moved through the shell companies — the QAT Consulting Group, QAT International and Protech Consulting — which held bank accounts into which clients wired their payments, according to court papers in the case.

One of the booking agents, a woman named Temeka Rachelle Lewis, 32, told a client that wiring his payments to QAT Consulting was safe because it would show up “like as a business transaction,” according to an affidavit filed in federal court the case.

But the transactions proved to be anything but safe for Mr. Spitzer, who, aides said on Monday, was weighing possible resignation.

Last week, Ms. Lewis was one of four people charged by federal prosecutors in Manhattan with operating the prostitution ring. Also arrested were Mark Brener, 62, who is accused of heading the operation; Cecil Suwal, 23, who is said to have managed it day to day; and Tanya Hollander, 36, who worked part time as a booker.

The affidavit, which was unsealed on Thursday when the four were arrested, details the secretly recorded conversations that officials said captured Mr. Spitzer’s efforts to arrange a Washington meeting with a prostitute on Feb. 13. It also describes the young woman’s report to the booking agent on her encounter with the governor, shortly after it was concluded.
The affidavit does not name the governor, nor does it name any of the other 10 men described as having purchased sex through the operation. Instead, it refers to them by number, with Mr. Spitzer, according to two law enforcement officials, listed as Client 9.
Mr. Spitzer’s cited rendezvous with the prostitute on Feb. 13 occupies five pages of the 47-page affidavit. The document recounts parts of a half-dozen conversations Client 9 had with Ms. Lewis, the booking agent, in the roughly 24 hours leading up to his meeting with the prostitute at the Mayflower Hotel.

They discussed whether his deposit would cover the young woman’s travel expenses, whether his payment had arrived — apparently by mail or overnight courier — and how she would be admitted to the hotel room he had reserved in Washington. At one point, when the booker tells him it will be a woman who went by the name Kristen, Client 9 said, “Great, O.K., wonderful,” according to the affidavit.

During the last conversation, he asked Ms. Lewis to remind him what Kristen looked like.

The conversations, according to the affidavit, were among more than 5,000 telephone calls and text messages that the federal authorities intercepted during the course of the investigation into the prostitution ring, which began last October. Investigators also seized more than 6,000 e-mail messages, bank records, and travel and hotel records, and conducted physical surveillance.

Almost lost in the tumult of the governor’s statement and the possibility of his resignation were the original allegations against the defendants said to have operated the ring.

Two of them, Mr. Brener and Ms. Suwal, are still held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan, and on Monday their lawyers were still focused on their clients’ problems, not Mr. Spitzer’s.

Mr. Brener’s lawyer, Jennifer L. Brown, said her client “is anxious to have his day in court for a full airing of these charges and he’s looking forward to defending himself.”

Daniel S. Parker, a lawyer for Ms. Suwal, recalled that his client had, as all the defendants, entered a plea of not guilty at her arraignment on Thursday. He said Monday that she was entitled to the presumption of innocence.

“What the governor chooses to state or admit to is the governor’s business,” he said.
So it isn't just going to a hooker. Like I said, hopefully he'll be contemplating his next campaign from jail.
Also people that are astute will notice that the word "Democrat" doesn't appear anywhere.

Red Dog
03-11-08, 12:36 PM
Is the problem people have with him that he did his job as AG?


Yep. And the reach he extended as AG extended well beyond the borders of his state. He exhibited a very curious brand of federalism - one where he could justify himself exerting more power. He was the epitome of authoritarian big government on steroids. What made him even more dangerous is that, as a Democrat, he came across as "not a bad guy" and "caring" since like someone mentioned before he favored such things as stem-cell research and gay marriage, so this cloaked his authoritarian streak much like you saw with Mayor Nine Eleven with abortion and illegal immigration.

Frankly, I don't know much of what he did as governor; except for the aforementioned drivers license issue.

wildcatlh
03-11-08, 12:36 PM
The Chicago newspapers are all excited because apparently, Client 10 is a Chicagoan! He had a prostitute flown from LA to Chicago last week! Who could it be? I'm going to guess -- on the basis of absolutely no evidence whatsoever -- dairy magnate and perennial failed candidate Jim Oberweiss.

(And before bhk gets excited, Senator Obama was in Texas that night, so it ain't him).

If I was in Chicago, I'd be hoping and praying it was Todd Stroger.

JasonF
03-11-08, 12:38 PM
If I was in Chicago, I'd be hoping and praying it was Todd Stroger.

Oh, that would be so awesome.

JasonF
03-11-08, 12:43 PM
Here's my question about the timeline of why this was being investigated: if the impetus for the investigation was Governor Spitzer's suspicious withdrawals, why is he Client #9 and not Client #1?

Red Dog
03-11-08, 12:47 PM
Here's my question about the timeline of why this was being investigated: if the impetus for the investigation was Governor Spitzer's suspicious withdrawals, why is he Client #9 and not Client #1?


Maybe Clients 1 through 8 weren't stupid enough to shuffle large amounts of money between their internal accounts.

Also, maybe Clients 1 through 8's financial activities were investigated but since Spitzer was a high government official, that triggered serious concerns about bribery and public corruption as the article above says, so that moved him to the top of the list.

Mordred
03-11-08, 12:52 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/nyregion/11inquire.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

So it isn't just going to a hooker. Like I said, hopefully he'll be contemplating his next campaign from jail.
Also people that are astute will notice that the word "Democrat" doesn't appear anywhere.I see nothing that suggests it is anything more than a hooker. He was moving money around to hide the fact that he was paying for hookers. It was suspicious (but as far as I can tell not illegal) but led to the discovery of his involvement with the prositutes.

BTW, OMG DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THEY DIDN"T MENTION he wAS A DEMOCAT! LOLZ!!!1

JasonF
03-11-08, 12:56 PM
Maybe Clients 1 through 8 weren't stupid enough to shuffle large amounts of money between their internal accounts.

Also, maybe Clients 1 through 8's financial activities were investigated but since Spitzer was a high government official, that triggered serious concerns about bribery and public corruption as the article above says.

Since i made my post, I've paged through the indictment and accompanying affidavit -- very quickly, I hasten to add, so it's not a detailed study. Basically, it looks like they had someone (a prostitute) come forward. From there, they put someone undercover posing as a potential john, and then used the information the undercover obtained to get a wiretap warrant. The the affidavit starts listing a bunch of clients, starting (as you might expect) with Client 1 and continuing through Client 10.

Understand, what Spitzer did was illegal, and if he happened to get caught in a prostitution bust, I shed no tears for the guy and his bad luck. I just question the narrative that's emerging that it was Spitzer's own banking activities that raised the red flags.

wendersfan
03-11-08, 12:57 PM
I see nothing that suggests it is anything more than a hooker. He was moving money around to hide the fact that he was paying for hookers. It was suspicious (but as far as I can tell not illegal) but led to the discovery of his involvement with the prositutes.

BTW, OMG DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THEY DIDN"T MENTION he wAS A DEMOCAT! LOLZ!!!1This article mentions his party affiliation:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/nyregion/11inquire.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Tracer Bullet
03-11-08, 01:01 PM
This article mentions his party affiliation:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/nyregion/11inquire.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Actually, it doesn't.

wendersfan
03-11-08, 01:03 PM
Actually, it doesn't.Sorry, it was this one:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/nyregion/11cnd-spitzer.html?ref=nyregion

Aides Say They Expect Spitzer to Resign

By DANNY HAKIM and WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM
Published: March 11, 2008

Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson said he was in limbo on Tuesday afternoon as he and the rest of the state awaited word on whether Gov. Eliot Spitzer would resign.

The governor remained in his Fifth Avenue apartment in Manhattan a day after law enforcement officials said he was a client of a high-priced prostitution ring broken up last week by federal authorities. Mr. Spitzer, 48, a first-term Democrat, was said by aides to be considering resigning, but no official announcement had been made Tuesday afternoon.

Tracer Bullet
03-11-08, 01:07 PM
But not until the second paragraph! The headline should be "Demoncrat Governor to Resign, Say Aides".

cinten
03-11-08, 01:10 PM
But not until the second paragraph! The headline should be "Demoncrat Governor to Resign, Say Aides".


No the headline should say "liberal traitor al Quida loving Democrat
Governor to resign". Anything less would be just another sign of "the liberal media".

Dave99
03-11-08, 01:18 PM
Here's my question about the timeline of why this was being investigated: if the impetus for the investigation was Governor Spitzer's suspicious withdrawals, why is he Client #9 and not Client #1?
Perhaps once the feds started the phone taps, 8 others were recorded/identified before he called in?

Red Dog
03-11-08, 01:22 PM
Since i made my post, I've paged through the indictment and accompanying affidavit -- very quickly, I hasten to add, so it's not a detailed study. Basically, it looks like they had someone (a prostitute) come forward. From there, they put someone undercover posing as a potential john, and then used the information the undercover obtained to get a wiretap warrant. The the affidavit starts listing a bunch of clients, starting (as you might expect) with Client 1 and continuing through Client 10.

Understand, what Spitzer did was illegal, and if he happened to get caught in a prostitution bust, I shed no tears for the guy and his bad luck. I just question the narrative that's emerging that it was Spitzer's own banking activities that raised the red flags.


I won't rule anything out at this point.

I just don't know anyone in a position of such power can engage in such an arrangement w/o tremendous fear of being recognized and exposed or blackmailed. Infidelity (particularly if the cheating is limited to one mistress) I can see, but this kind of activity carries enormous risk. Then to pay thousands of dollars for it - these girls must have doing things beyond imagination to get him to keep coming back for it.

bhk
03-11-08, 01:24 PM
Whatever the reason, if this squelches his future as far as politics go, it will be great.

JasonF
03-11-08, 01:47 PM
Infidelity (particularly if the cheating is limited to one mistress) I can see, but this kind of activity carries enormous risk. Then to pay thousands of dollars for it - these girls must have doing things beyond imagination to get him to keep coming back for it.

According to the affidavit, one of the girls said that Client 9 "would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think were safe." I can only assume she meant riding a bicycle without a helmet.

wendersfan
03-11-08, 01:51 PM
According to the affidavit, one of the girls said that Client 9 "would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think were safe." I can only assume she meant riding a bicycle without a helmet.Or worse yet, operating heavy machinery under the influence of over-the-counter cough medication.

VinVega
03-11-08, 01:52 PM
Whatever the reason, if this squelches his future as far as politics go, it will be great.
There will be another Democrat right around the corner though. It's New York.

bhk
03-11-08, 01:53 PM
There will be another Democrat right around the corner though. It's New York.

It's this particular grandstanding one that needed this to happen to him.

Red Dog
03-11-08, 01:53 PM
According to the affidavit, one of the girls said that Client 9 "would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think were safe." I can only assume she meant riding a bicycle without a helmet.


Yeah I was just about to post that part:

LEWIS continued that from what she had been told "he" (believed to be a reference to Client-9) "would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think were safe - you know - I mean that . . . very basic things. . . .

I guess 'very basic' = unprotected sex, but who knows.

Red Dog
03-11-08, 01:54 PM
It's this particular grandstanding one that needed this to happen to him.

Btwn this and Rudy's (he's a Republican in case you were wondering) fall, it's been a good couple months.

Jack Straw
03-11-08, 01:59 PM
Forget the money trail, how does a guy with that high a profile and obviously intelligent not believe that someone will recognize him and rat him out when he does the deed? It's not exactly an anonymous act.

Red Dog
03-11-08, 02:02 PM
Forget the money trail, how does a guy with that high a profile and obviously intelligent not believe that someone will obviously recognize him and rat him out when he does the deed?


That's what I asked a few posts ago. Not only that - a NY prostitute is even more likely to recognize, so when you go to DC, why import from NY? Like I said before - the only explanation is that this girls or girls he used with that service must have been that good, even beyond the 'unsafe' acts.

wendersfan
03-11-08, 02:03 PM
Forget the money trail, how does a guy with that high a profile and obviously intelligent not believe that someone will obviously recognize him and rat him out when he does the deed?There's a certain arrogance involved in asking tens of millions of people to let you run a significant part of their lives, and that arrogance spills over into other areas, you can be sure.

wishbone
03-11-08, 02:24 PM
That's what I asked a few posts ago. Not only that - a NY prostitute is even more likely to recognize, so when you go to DC, why import from NY? Like I said before - the only explanation is that this girls or girls he used with that service must have been that good, even beyond the 'unsafe' acts.I wish I had not watched Deuce Bigalow: European Gigalo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuce_Bigalow:_European_Gigolo) so that I could be unaware of such 'unsafe' acts... like watching the movie in the first place. :whofart:

parrotheads4
03-11-08, 02:24 PM
At least he was for embryonic stem cell research and same-sex marriage. Seemingly a very open-minded individual. Maybe too open-minded.

I'm sure a lot of Catholics are loving this day.

Eliot Spitzer was the "Golden Boy" Jew. Many jews expected him to be the first jewish president. This was just another strike against him in the minds of some. Other strikes include having a privileged life. His father is worth $500million, Harvard, Yale, all payed for by dear ole dad.

JasonF
03-11-08, 02:30 PM
Forget the money trail, how does a guy with that high a profile and obviously intelligent not believe that someone will recognize him and rat him out when he does the deed? It's not exactly an anonymous act.

To be fair, it apparently wasn't the whores who ratted on Spitzer -- it was the banks.

Red Dog
03-11-08, 02:38 PM
Eliot Spitzer was the "Golden Boy" Jew. Many jews expected him to be the first jewish president. This was just another strike against him in the minds of some. Other strikes include having a privileged life. His father is worth $500million, Harvard, Yale, all payed for by dear ole dad.


You'd think coming from money like that, he would keep a stash of cash for snatch handy.

X
03-11-08, 02:56 PM
You'd think coming from money like that, he would keep a stash of cash for snatch handy.That's what I would think. Cash and Western Union could do the job.

Red Dog
03-11-08, 02:59 PM
This is Gold.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21mon3.html?scp=3&sq=spitzer+prostitution&st=nyt


Targeting Human Trafficking
Published: May 21, 2007

After years of shameful recalcitrance, New York will take the lead in the nation’s effort to combat sex and labor trafficking with a new law that targets this modern form of slavery. The issue is an urgent one. Each year, thousands of people are brought into the United States — often through New York — to be used for forced sex or labor. Yet New York has lagged behind at least two dozen states in enacting laws to go after the traffickers and help their victims.

Federal law enforcement tends to focus on the largest trafficking rings rather than local brothels and sweatshops, and federal efforts need bolstering in any case. But attempts over the last two years to pass anti-trafficking legislation in New York ended in failure. Assembly Democrats resisted imposing tough new criminal penalties, and the Republican Senate objected to providing services for trafficking victims. Given Albany’s penchant for partisan gridlock, the deadlock might have continued for many more years absent a muscular nudge from Gov. Eliot Spitzer. The result is being applauded by both prosecutors and victims’ advocates and will give the state one of the strongest anti-trafficking laws in the country.

A conviction for sex trafficking would bring a penalty of 3 to 25 years in prison while labor trafficking would be punishable by three to seven years. Coercing victims into prostitution by force would be treated as a felony sex trafficking offense, as would luring victims with promises of jobs or by providing them with illegal drugs. Language added at Mr. Spitzer’s behest also takes aim at “prostitution tourism,” clarifying that selling travel-related services to facilitate prostitution abroad is a felony.

The law would improve training to help police and prosecutors recognize trafficking, and expand the availability of social services, such as temporary housing and health care, to trafficking victims.

The measure is not perfect. It does not include the proposed Safe Harbor law, which would place young children exploited by pimps and johns in safe houses, instead of sending them to the juvenile equivalent of prison. Still it’s a significant milestone. The Legislature should lose no time in formally voting on it, and send it to Mr. Spitzer for his signature.

Red Dog
03-11-08, 03:07 PM
....and this....

http://reason.com/news/show/125412.html


.......

As attorney general and leader of the state's organized crime task force, Spitzer spearheaded the prosecution of two alleged prostitution rings, according to the Times.

But Spitzer’s moralistic crusade against paid sex (by non-Spitzers, at least) wasn’t confined to New York or even the United States of America. As far as Spitzer is concerned, he has the right to prevent people from exchanging cash for cuddles anywhere in the world.

Big Apple Oriental Tours was a Queens-based travel agency with an angle: it marketed vacations for men to destinations such as Angeles City, Philippines, a jurisdiction in which adult prostitution is nominally illegal but is condoned and regulated by the government because of the money it brings in. The militant feminist group Equality Now had been agitating for prosecution of Big Apple Oriental Tours since at least 1996, but had never found a prosecutor willing to take the case. (Big Apple Oriental Tours has never been linked to child prostitution, which would be another matter entirely.)

In 2003, attorney general Spitzer, with one eye on the feminist vote and the other on the governor’s mansion, commenced a campaign of legal harassment against the tour company, obtaining a civil injunction prohibiting the company from advertising, which effectively put it out of business, according to owner Norman Barabash.

Spitzer then brought criminal proceedings against Barabash and co-owner Douglas Allen that continue to this day. The first indictment was dismissed because prosecutors improperly relied upon a hearsay tape recording. The second indictment was dismissed because the facts alleged did not constitute a felony, leaving only a misdemeanor charge of promoting prostitution in the fourth degree, a crime so penny-ante it applies to doormen or bouncers. The third indictment was dismissed on jurisdictional grounds, according to Barabash, and is currently before the appellate court. After all that harassment, there's been no trial.

While Spitzer’s crusade may seem overzealous and, based on what we now know, disturbingly Freudian, his attempt to apply domestic laws to conduct outside the country isn’t that far outside the current legal mainstream. The mother of all extraterritorial laws, the 1977 U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, makes it illegal for U.S. citizens to bribe a foreign official, regardless of where the bribery took place.
........

wishbone
03-11-08, 03:44 PM
Now it gets ugly...GOP lawmakers threaten to impeach Spitzer
3/11/2008

ALBANY, N.Y. - Pressure mounted Tuesday on Gov. Eliot Spitzer to resign because of a prostitution scandal, with a top state Republican threatening to push for impeachment proceedings if the governor doesn’t step down in 48 hours.

The state “cannot have this hanging over their heads,” said Assembly Minority Leader James Tedisco.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23572671/

Ky-Fi
03-11-08, 04:30 PM
I've been listening to the local talk radio station covering this story non-stop, and Michael Graham had a good line:

"Did you see his wife sitting next to him at the press conference? If it was my wife, she'd be watching me give the press conference through a rifle scope." :lol:

wmansir
03-11-08, 04:32 PM
Re: Impeachment
That may be necessary. The pundits are all saying he will have to step down, but the impression I got from his statement was that he was going to try and ride it out.

crazyronin
03-11-08, 05:08 PM
Pretty harsh for hiring a hooker, Maybe he should have just lied to a grad jury instead.


Not familiar with the Mann Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act)?

How about
TITLE 18 PART I § 1956. Laundering of monetary instruments (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00001956----000-.html)?

Both are Federal Felonies. You think an AG would be familiar with them and strive not to commit them.

Mordred
03-11-08, 05:30 PM
How about
TITLE 18 PART I § 1956. Laundering of monetary instruments (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00001956----000-.html)?

Both are Federal Felonies. You think an AG would be familiar with them and strive not to commit them.Interesting. I didn't realize that money laundering worked both ways (he appears to have violated section 3a) although I guess I should have.

Jack Straw
03-11-08, 07:38 PM
To be fair, it apparently wasn't the whores who ratted on Spitzer -- it was the banks. I'm not questioning that, I'm amazed that's what did him in given his notoriety. He's a governor for God's sake! I think this is a BOLD statement about the power and command of that "other" head that leads men to act this way despite all of the known and likely repurcussions of doing so.

DVD Polizei
03-11-08, 08:23 PM
Re: Impeachment
That may be necessary. The pundits are all saying he will have to step down, but the impression I got from his statement was that he was going to try and ride it out.

He's going to step down. By Friday.

DVD Polizei
03-11-08, 08:25 PM
Re: Impeachment
That may be necessary. The pundits are all saying he will have to step down, but the impression I got from his statement was that he was going to try and ride it out.

He's going to step down. By <s>Friday</s> Thursday.

Pharoh
03-11-08, 09:06 PM
Why do folks continue to not use VoIP or Skype?

wmansir
03-11-08, 09:08 PM
He's going to step down. By <s>Friday</s> Thursday.
The more I hear about the legal issues the more I agree. A story on Drudge said he was leveraging his resignation as part of a deal with the Feds. Perhaps the tone of his statement was less about political maneuvering and more him being a lawyer facing potential charges.

DVD Polizei
03-11-08, 09:14 PM
If he wouldn't have made a lot of enemies (including Democrats), this would be old news by next Monday. At least from my readings of articles about him dating back several years ago. He was rather ruthless, and it's coming back full circle, big time.

X
03-11-08, 09:29 PM
Why do folks continue to not use VoIP or Skype?Because they sound like crap and present a very unprofessional image.

Not that they're any harder to intercept either.

Ranger
03-11-08, 09:46 PM
Don't people think his wife knew anything? I believe Hillary knew about Monica and others.

DVD Polizei
03-11-08, 09:46 PM
Why do folks continue to not use VoIP or Skype?

Because Federal and State laws do not require any burden of proof for warrants for obtaining those communications which are nomally ascribed to a higher burden of proof (4th Amend). Under current laws, a VOIP or similarly-placed phonecall, is a stored communication.

So, if you're wanting to view Pharoh's voice conversations over the last few weeks, you wouldn't be obligated to show the burden of proof which would be required for a land phone line. You'd simply use the Patriot Act and some sort of "inquiry", which could be anything for any reason.

So, for those of you who think you're anonymous. It's just the opposite. If it goes through a computer network, it could be stored somewhere. As a WAV file or some other file, which is a stored data file, which is not covered under your 4th Amendment rights.

:)

Pharoh
03-11-08, 09:49 PM
Because they sound like crap and present a very unprofessional image.

This I of course I get.



Not that they're any harder to intercept either.


They certainly can be. Skype in particular can be impossible.

Pharoh
03-11-08, 09:51 PM
Because Federal and State laws do not require any burden of proof for warrants for obtaining those communications which are nomally ascribed to a higher burden of proof (4th Amend). Under current laws, a VOIP or similarly-placed phonecall, is a stored communication.

So, if you're wanting to view Pharoh's voice conversations over the last few weeks, you wouldn't be obligated to show the burden of proof which would be required for a land phone line. You'd simply use the Patriot Act and some sort of "inquiry", which could be anything for any reason.

So, for those of you who think you're anonymous. It's just the opposite. If it goes through a computer network, it could be stored somewhere. As a WAV file or some other file, which is a stored data file, which is not covered under your 4th Amendment rights.

:)


There are most definitely ways to prevent this.

Tracer Bullet
03-11-08, 09:51 PM
Because they sound like crap and present a very unprofessional image.

Weird, I usually think Skype sounds better than the telephone.

Red Dog
03-11-08, 10:06 PM
The more I hear about the legal issues the more I agree. A story on Drudge said he was leveraging his resignation as part of a deal with the Feds. Perhaps the tone of his statement was less about political maneuvering and more him being a lawyer facing potential charges.


I expect something weasley like this out of a prosecutor who rarely if ever saw a courtroom in the famous cases he oversaw. He 'tried' cases in the press. I say forget deals and let him try to use the press as a defendant.

DVD Polizei
03-11-08, 10:07 PM
There are most definitely ways to prevent this.

Not saying there are not. But there are ways to using a land line and cell phone as well.

But just to let you know, the packets which are being sent, could be tagged, regardless of anonymous networking capabilities. Your calls could be tracked by time intervals (in terms of milliseconds and delays between packets sent--which you won't notice), akin to morse code.

:)

X
03-11-08, 10:07 PM
They certainly can be. Skype in particular can be impossible.I had to look up Skype to see what they are doing in way of encryption. I see they use 256-bit encryption so the conversation would have to be point-to-point Skype with no POTS to stay confidential.

As long as packets are going over IP and can be collected I wouldn't have much confidence in their staying that way if the government really wanted to look into them. But I can see how they mostly would be missed in this type of situation.

Pharoh
03-11-08, 10:10 PM
I had to look up Skype to see what they are doing in way of encryption. I see they use 256-bit encryption so the conversation would have to be point-to-point Skype with no POTS to stay confidential.

As long as packets are going over IP and can be collected I wouldn't have much confidence in their staying that way if the government really wanted to look into them. But I can see how they mostly would be missed in this type of situation.



And just for clarification, I don't get the technology, nor do I care to. However, it is considered a real and serious problem in the intel community. The problems has been specifically been brought up in offical reports by more than one western government recently.

X
03-11-08, 10:13 PM
And just for clarification, I don't get the technology, nor do I care to. However, it is considered a real and serious problem in the intel community. The problems has been specifically been brought up in offical reports by more than one western government recently.Yes, I saw that in my searches.

Given the current climate I'm surprised it's still allowed to exist this way. There may be aspects of it giving a false sense of security though.

Dave7393
03-11-08, 10:30 PM
If he wouldn't have made a lot of enemies (including Democrats), this would be old news by next Monday. At least from my readings of articles about him dating back several years ago. He was rather ruthless, and it's coming back full circle, big time.

This was the point I was trying to make earlier to people who think that this is just another case of a (D) politician who's going go weather an ethical storm. Spitzer is fucked. He has almost nobody in his corner-- many of the people I know who voted for him regretted doing so soon after he took office. When I called my mother yesterday afternoon to break this story to her, she happily dropped what she was doing and tuned in the coverage-- and she'd voted for Spitzer. He's been such a combative, self-righteous prick, alienating many of those who voted for him, and that's tough to do when you win nearly 70% of the popular vote.

For anyone who thinks that the big, bad liberal media will give him a pass, or that he has a base who's pulling for him, or who wants to forgive him, wow, you've got your heads firmly stuck somewhere and don't have any idea whom you're talking about. He's done. Most people I know here thought he was done last night, and the news has gotten decidedly worse for him since then (tens of thousands of dollars spent on hookers for years?). I wouldn't be surprised if he steps down tomorrow.

JasonF
03-11-08, 10:46 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he steps down tomorrow.

One of his aides says that he will:

Exclusive: Spitzer to resign Wednesday, aide says
Lt. Gov. David Paterson Prepares To Take State Helm

By JAMES M. ODATO, Capitol bureau
Click byline for more stories by writer.
Last updated: 10:12 p.m., Tuesday, March 11, 2008

ALBANY -- Gov. Eliot Spitzer on Tuesday holed up in his Manhattan apartment and prepared to resign Wednesday over a prostitution scandal that has rocked the state, according to a high-ranking aide.

In a strategy used to give his lawyers time to negotiate with federal officials, the aide said, Spitzer needed to hold onto the governorship as leverage to work out a deal involving criminal charges.

Another well-placed source in the Capitol also said Spitzer will likely step down Wednesday.

As some Republicans talked of impeachment and some Democrats were studying the process, too, the scandal-scarred Spitzer essentially remained executive an extra day before what most considered to be the inevitable end of his relatively brief tenure. Expectations were that he would leave it to Lt. Gov. David Paterson to serve out the nearly three years left in his term.

Paterson kept a low profile and prepared for the prospect of succeeding Spitzer, according to people close to the governor.

Spitzer's lawyer spent most of the day conferring with prosecutors with the U.S. Attorney's Office in a scandal that was still reverberating throughout a media-encircled Capitol a day after it exploded.

Director of Operations Paul Francis largely ran the government. Top commissioners tried to rally their agencies.

Yet officials in the Spitzer administration expected their boss to step down Wednesday. The "profound sadness" enveloping the administration, as one Spitzer loyalist described it, followed disclosures on Monday that the governor was caught through wire taps and financial records as being a patron of high-priced prostitutes.

"I have seen press reports that the governor's resignation is imminent, and that is not true," Senior Advisor Lloyd Constantine told the Times Union Tuesday afternoon as Spitzer lawyer Michele Hirshman was working with the U.S. Attorney's Office, several sources said. Constantine declined to elaborate.

Paterson stayed out of the public limelight, but his aides took a few questions, including one about his health.

A fainting spell last summer during a flight, the aide said, was checked out by experts who said Paterson is in good health but has a condition that is easily remedied if he discontinues sleeping when his collar is buttoned.

The Harlem Democrat, poised to become New York's first African American governor, is readying to take over his boss' job under provisions of succession in the state constitution. "He'd be foolish not to," a close aide to Spitzer said.

Republican leaders urged the governor to resign promptly. Assembly Minority Leader James Tedisco said impeachment proceedings should commence if Spitzer holds the Capitol hostage much longer. Negotiations for the state budget, which is due April 1, have all but halted because of the scandal.

Less than 24 hours after the news of Spitzer's participation in a sex-for-hire ring, Tedisco, R-Schenectady, said the governor must step down within 48 hours or he would call for impeachment.

At least one Democratic assemblyman, who said he could not be named, was considering the wisdom of forcing the governor out and was walking around with the legal procedure for impeachments in his briefcase.

Yet, most Democrats expected Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, D-Manhattan, to block any such action from his 107-member conference.
"That kind of discussion (is) a bit premature," Silver said. "All the facts are not out yet . . . The governor should have time to reflect and repair the damage he's done to his family."

Impeachment cases must be brought by the Assembly and prosecuted by the full GOP-led Senate, which has almost as many Democrats, allies of Spitzer, as Republicans.

From beyond the Capitol, Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-Greenport, said Spitzer, who campaigned with her in 2006, should step down if he was indeed involved with a prostitution ring.

"This is very grave and sad news. My heart goes out to the governor's family," Gillibrand said in a prepared statement. "If these serious allegations are true, the governor will have no choice but to resign."

Some supporters spoke on Spitzer's behalf. Assemblyman Carl E. Heastie, D-Bronx, was among several Democrats who said some lawmakers are unfairly judging Spitzer. Critics portray him as a hypocrite who made a name for himself partly by prosecuting prostitution rings in 2004. Now he is accused of hiring high-priced prostitutes, according to federal records and interviews, and some say he would lack credibility if he returned to Albany.

"It's a wait and see; you gotta have compassion for the situation, for his family and the state as a whole," Heastie said. "I'm not passing any judgment until it plays out; I think that's the fairest thing to do for everyone. The business of the state is continuing. Not any one person is more important than the business of the state."

However, little legislative business got done. The Republican-led Senate held back on issuing its budget plan but planned to pass a resolution Wednesday with legislation to follow.

"It's bizarre," said Assemblyman Adam Clayton Powell IV. "I have never seen anything like this in my 20 years as a politician."

Recently arrested for alleged driving while intoxicated, Powell said he understands when people can be wrongly charged: "I will not jump to any conclusions . . . He has not been charged with anything."

Spitzer got caught up in the sex ring as a result of a financial investigation started by the IRS, according to a government source, and it became a public corruption case when it was taken up by the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office.

The story of Spitzer's alleged sex romps with prostitutes working for Emperor's Club VIP is generating attention from Troy to Tapei. Some 40 news vehicles parked around the Capitol with broadcast teams awaiting news of Spitzer's resignation. Reporters in the Capitol were being besieged by producers to appear on network, cable and radio shows.

The scandal dominated talk shows, with some hosts and callers questioning Spitzer's State Police security teams for allowing the governor to enter into illegal trysts.

Acting Police Superintendent Preston Felton declined to respond to the attacks. "I can't get into that and I think it would be inappropriate to do so at this time," he said. "We'll never discuss a governor's personal security."

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=671205&category=&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=3/11/2008

bhk
03-11-08, 11:51 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120528114453028807.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

Spitzer's Media Enablers
By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
March 12, 2008; Page A21

The fall of New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer holds many lessons, and the press will surely be examining them in coming months. But don't expect the press corps to delve into the biggest lesson of all -- its own role as his enabler.

Journalists have spent the past two days asking how a man of Mr. Spitzer's stature would allow himself to get involved in a prostitution ring. The answer, in my mind, is clear. The former New York attorney general never believed normal rules applied to him, and his view was validated time and again by an adoring press. "You play hard, you play rough, and hopefully you don't get caught," said Mr. Spitzer two years ago. He never did get caught, because most reporters were his accomplices.


Journalism has many functions, but perhaps the most important is keeping tabs on public officials. That duty is even more vital concerning government positions that are subject to few other checks and balances. Chief among those is the prosecutor, who can use his awesome state power to punish, even destroy, private citizens.

Yet from the start, the press corps acted as an adjunct of Spitzer power, rather than a skeptic of it. Many journalists get into this business because they want to see wrongs righted. Mr. Spitzer portrayed himself as the moral avenger. He was the slayer of the big guy, the fat cat, the Wall Street titan -- all allegedly on behalf of the little guy. The press ate it up, and came back for more.

Time magazine bestowed upon Mr. Spitzer the title "Crusader of the Year," and likened him to Moses. Fortune dubbed him the "Enforcer." A fawning article in the Atlantic Monthly in 2004 explained he was "a rock star," and "the Democratic Party's future." In an uncritical 2006 biography, then Washington Post reporter Brooke Masters compared the attorney general to no less than Teddy Roosevelt.

What the media never acknowledged is that somewhere along the line (say, his first day in public office) Mr. Spitzer became the big guy, the titan. He had the power to trample lives and bend the rules, while also burnishing his own political fortune. He was the one who deserved as much, if not more, scrutiny as onetime New York Stock Exchange chief Dick Grasso or former American International Group CEO Maurice "Hank" Greenberg.

What makes this more embarrassing for any self-respecting journalist is that Mr. Spitzer knew all this, and played the media like a Stradivarius. He knew what sort of storyline they'd be sympathetic to, and spun it. He knew, too, that as financial journalism has become more competitive, breaking news can make a career. He doled out scoops to favored reporters, who repaid him with allegiance. News organizations that dared to criticize him were cut off. After a time, few criticized anymore.

Instead, reporters felt obligated to run with whatever he handed them. Consider the report in the wake of a 2005 op-ed in this newspaper by John Whitehead. A respected Wall Street figure, Mr. Whitehead dared to criticize Mr. Spitzer for his unscrupulously zealous pursuit of Mr. Greenberg. Mr. Spitzer later threatened Mr. Whitehead, telling him in a phone call that "You will pay the price. This is only the beginning and you will pay dearly for what you have done." Some months later, after more Spitzer excesses, Mr. Whitehead had the temerity to write another op-ed describing what Mr. Spitzer had said.

Within a few days, the press was reporting (unsourced, of course) that Mr. Whitehead had defended Mr. Greenberg a few weeks after a Greenberg charity had given $25 million to the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation -- a group Mr. Whitehead chaired. So Mr. Whitehead's on-the-record views were met with an unsourced smear implying bad faith. The press ran with it anyway.

In 2005, Mr. Spitzer went on national television to suggest that Mr. Greenberg had engaged in criminal activity. It was front-page news. About six months later, on the eve of a Thanksgiving weekend, Mr. Spitzer quietly disclosed that he lacked the evidence to press criminal charges. That news was buried inside the papers.

What makes this history all the more unfortunate is that the warning signs about Mr. Spitzer were many and manifest. In the final days of Mr. Spitzer's run for attorney general in 1998, the news broke that he'd twisted campaign-finance laws so that his father could fund his unsuccessful 1994 run. Mr. Spitzer won anyway, and the story was largely forgotten.

New York Stock Exchange caretaker CEO John Reed suggested Mr. Spitzer hadn't told the truth when he said that it was Mr. Reed who wanted him to investigate Mr. Grasso's pay. The press never investigated.

Mr. Spitzer's main offense as a prosecutor is that he violated the basic rules of fairness and due process: Innocent until proven guilty; the right to your day in court. The Spitzer method was to target public companies and officials, leak allegations and out-of-context emails to a compliant press, watch the stock price fall, threaten a corporate indictment (a death sentence), and then move in for a quick settlement kill. There was rarely a trial, fair or unfair, involved.

On the substance, his court record speaks for itself. Most of Mr. Spitzer's high-profile charges have gone up in smoke. A New York state judge threw out his case against tax firm H&R Block. He lost his prosecution against Bank of America broker Ted Sihpol (whom Mr. Spitzer threatened to arrest in front of his child and pregnant wife). Mr. Spitzer was stopped by a federal judge from prying confidential information out of mortgage companies. Another New York judge blocked the heart of his suit against Mr. Grasso. Mr. Greenberg continues to fight his civil charges. The press was foursquare behind Mr. Spitzer in all these cases, and in a better world they'd share some of his humiliation.

Instead, remarkably, they continue to defend him. Ms. Masters, his biographer, was on CNN the day Mr. Spitzer's prostitution news broke, reassuring viewers that the governor really was a "lovely" guy. Other news reporters were reporting what a "tragedy" it was that such a leading light in the Democratic Party could come to such an ignoble end.

There's little that's tragic about Mr. Spitzer, unless you consider his victims (which would appear to include his own family). The press would do well to meditate on that, and consider how many violations they winked at and validated over the years. Politicians don't exist to be idolized by the press, at least not by any press corps doing its job.

Ms. Strassel, who covered Eliot Spitzer's investigations, now writes the Journal's Potomac Watch column from Washington.
:lol:
You gotta play a little violin for the presstitutes and pundits that that describe this as a "tragedy".
So great that this happened to a leading light in the dem party.

wendersfan
03-12-08, 06:55 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2328975662_0624b7d805.jpg

:up:

al_bundy
03-12-08, 07:15 AM
reports are that he spent $80,000 or more on prostitutes

http://www.amny.com/news/politics/ny-stpro0311,0,4290933.story


Gov. Eliot Spitzer had at least seven or eight liaisons over the last several years with prostitutes supplied by an international call girl ring based in New Jersey, according to sources familiar with the investigation into Spitzer's relationship with the ring.

The liaisons between Spitzer and a number of different prostitutes occurred around the country, including in Washington, D.C., and Florida, the sources said. For each encounter, Spitzer paid several thousand dollars, the sources said; The Associated Press cited a source that said the total could be as high as $80,000.

The circumstances of Spitzer's alleged dealing with the ring were uncovered by agents from the IRS Criminal Investigation Division and the FBI, tracing the flow of money from Spitzer's bank accounts to business fronts for the ring, conversations overhead on wiretaps, the governor's travel records and informants who worked for the ring.

A transcript of wiretap conversations revealed that he allegedly arranged for the Emperors Club to send a prostitute from New York City to the Renaissance Mayflower Hotel in Washington, where he planned to stay Feb. 13 before testifying to a congressional committee. The transcript is part of a federal complaint.

Spitzer ended up as the subject of an investigation into the prostitution because his bank branch in Manhattan turned him in to the Internal Revenue Service as someone who might be engaged in suspicious currency transactions, according to sources familiar with the investigation.

Agents of the IRS Criminal Investigation Division initially started a probe, fearing that the governor was the victim of some sort of blackmail scheme or that he was being victimized by an impostor, the sources said.

Spitzer last year had wanted to wire transfer more than $10,000 from his branch to what turned out to be the front for the prostitution ring, QAT Consulting Group, which also uses a number of other names, in New Jersey, the sources said.

But Spitzer had the money broken down into several smaller amounts of less than $10,000 each, apparently to avoid federal regulations requiring the reporting of the transfer of $10,000 or more, the sources said. The regulations are aim to help spot possible illegal business activities, such as fraud or drug deals.

Apparently, having second thoughts about even sending the total amount in this manner, Spitzer then asked that the bank take his name off the wires, the sources said.

Bank officials declined, however, saying that it was improper to do so and in any event, it was too late to do so, because the money already had been sent, the sources said.

The bank, as is required by law, filed an SAR, or Suspicious Activity Report, with the Internal Revenue Service, reporting the transfer of the money that exceeded $10,000, but had been broken down into smaller amounts, the sources said.

"The bank did the right thing," said one source familiar with the situation. The name of the bank could not immediately be determined.

But the source added that "we then got lucky" in singling out Spitzer and the ring.

Millions of SARs are generated each week and flow into the Internal Revenue Service nationwide, but an analyst at the regional IRS office in Hauppauge noted Spitzer's particular SAR and singled it out for attention to criminal investigators, the sources said.

The assumption, the sources said, was that Spitzer was being victimized either by a blackmailer or an impostor. The agents also speculated that perhaps the governor was involved in some sort of political corruption, the sources said.

The agents, located at an IRS office at 1180 Veterans Memorial Hwy. in Hauppauge, joined with prosecutors in the Southern District in New York to determine the circumstances surrounding the transfer of the money and the nature of the company it was going to. The Southern District was chosen because the bank transaction had occurred in Manhattan.

Eventually, FBI agents also joined the investigation because they have greater authority to look into possible political corruption and use wiretaps.

DJLinus
03-12-08, 07:58 AM
I wonder if he loses his superdelegate vote?

On the "Today" show this morning the woman reporting the story said that if he resigned he would indeed lose his vote AND he would not be replaced with another superdelegate. He's already pledged to vote for Clinton, so maybe he's got at least one person backing him behind this mess. :)

Venusian
03-12-08, 08:01 AM
Why wouldn't his vote be replaced? Assuming NY gets a new Lt. Gov that is a Dem before the convention, I'd guess that person would get a vote, no?

Venusian
03-12-08, 08:06 AM
scratch that, Lt. Gov don't get votes. But I wonder if he can lose his vote..

Not later than March 1, 2008, the Secretary of the Democratic National Committee shall officially confirm to each State Democratic Chair the names of the following unpledged delegates who legally reside in their respective state and who shall be recognized as part of their state’s delegation unless any such member has publicly expressed support for the election of, or has endorsed, a presidential candidate of another political party:
...
4. The Democratic Governor, if applicable; and,


Looks like he should have already been certified

DJLinus
03-12-08, 08:10 AM
That's just what the TV told me this morning. I could've misheard it, though.

Red Dog
03-12-08, 08:17 AM
I think he should delegate his superdelegate vote to "Kristen."

al_bundy
03-12-08, 08:29 AM
looks like he is resigning at 10am today

Dave7393
03-12-08, 08:50 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080312/ap_on_re_us/spitzer_prostitution

A poll released late Tuesday found that 70 percent of New Yorkers think Spitzer should resign, while 66 percent believe he should be impeached and removed from office if he doesn't.

"It's a big thumbs down," said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion, which conducted the poll. "It points to just how politically untenable his position is right now."

Latest word: He's resigning "effective Monday" so Paterson can prepare for the transition, according to AP, but an official announcement could come today.

bhk
03-12-08, 09:11 AM
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjMxYWE2NDU1MjZlZjc4ZmJiNjEwZWUwYzBjYmQ2MDM=


‘Non-Judgmental’ Nonsense
Yes, personal failings do matter in politics.

By Thomas Sowell


What was he thinking? That was the first question that came to mind when the story of New York governor Eliot Spitzer’s involvement with a prostitution ring was reported in the media.

It was also the first question that came to mind when star quarterback Michael Vick ruined his career and lost his freedom over his involvement in illegal dog fighting. It is a question that arises when other very fortunate people risk everything for some trivial satisfaction.

Many in the media refer to Eliot Spitzer as some moral hero who fell from grace. Spitzer was never a moral hero. He was an unscrupulous prosecutor who threw his power around to ruin people, even when he didn’t have any case with which to convict them of anything.

Because he was using his overbearing power against businesses, the anti-business Left idolized him, just as they idolized Ralph Nader before him as some sort of secular saint because Nader attacked General Motors.

What Eliot Spitzer did was not out of character. It was completely in character for someone with the hubris that comes with the ability to misuse his power to make or break innocent people.

After John Whitehead, former head of Goldman Sachs, wrote an oped for the Wall Street Journal criticizing Attorney General Spitzer’s handling of a case involving Maurice Greenberg, Spitzer was quoted by Whitehead as saying: “I will be coming after you. You will pay the price. This is only the beginning and you will pay dearly for what you have done.”

When you start thinking of yourself as a little tin god, able to throw your weight around to bully people into silence, it is a sign of a sense of being exempt from the laws and social rules that apply to other people.

For someone with this kind of hubris to risk his whole political career for a fling with a prostitute is no more surprising than for Michael Vick to throw away millions to indulge his taste for dog fighting or for Leona Helmsley to avoid paying taxes — not because she couldn’t easily afford to pay taxes and still have more money left than she could ever spend — but because she felt above the rules that apply to “the little people.”

What is almost as scary as having someone like Eliot Spitzer holding power is having so many pundits talking as if this is just a “personal” flaw in Governor Spitzer that should not disqualify him for public office.

Spitzer himself spoke of his “personal” failing as if it had nothing to do with his being Governor of New York.

In this age, when it is considered the height of sophistication to be “non-judgmental,” one of the corollaries is that “personal” failings have no relevance to the performance of official duties.

What that amounts to, ultimately, is that character doesn’t matter. In reality, character matters enormously, more so than most things that can be seen, measured, or documented.

Character is what we have to depend on when we entrust power over ourselves, our children, and our society to government officials.


We cannot risk all that for the sake of the fashionable affectation of being more non-judgmental than thou.

Currently, various facts are belatedly beginning to leak out that give us clues to the character of Barack Obama. But to report these facts is being characterized as a “personal” attack.

Barack Obama’s personal and financial association with a man under criminal indictment in Illinois is not just a “personal” matter. Nor is his 20 years of going to a church whose pastor has praised Louis Farrakhan and condemned the United States in both sweeping terms and with obscene language.

The Obama camp likens mentioning such things to criticizing him because of what members of his family might have said or done. But it was said, long ago, that you can pick your friends but not your relatives.

Obama chose to be part of that church for 20 years. He was not born into it. His “personal” character matters, just as Eliot Spitzer’s “personal” character matters — and just as Hillary Clinton’s character would matter if she had any.

— Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of Economic Facts and Fallacies.


The air is still smelling fresher today beacause this toadie is going down. Hopefully forever.

cinten
03-12-08, 10:05 AM
What ever happened to David Vitter, a republican who liked the whores?

Dave7393
03-12-08, 10:25 AM
The air is still smelling fresher today beacause this toadie is going down. Hopefully forever.

Wow, one would think that you actually knew him personally, or God forbid, at least lived in the State of New York and had some kind of interaction with him. At all.

Red Dog
03-12-08, 10:28 AM
Wow, one would think that you actually knew him personally, or God forbid, at least lived in the State of New York and had some kind of interaction with him. At all.


There's a D next to his name...that's all he needs to know. Trust me - he wouldn't have a single post in this thread if there was an R next to his name.

Dave7393
03-12-08, 10:44 AM
There's a D next to his name...that's all he needs to know. Trust me - he wouldn't have a single post in this thread if there was an R next to his name.

Yep. It's obvious he's practically clueless about him and New Yorkers in general. I guess a (D) is all it takes to have a loud opinion-- who cares if it's wrong (so tell me, did he stick around to "stink up" the place? I guess you'd know better than someone who actually lives here, right?)

I guess that the specifics of a scandal, or a politician, or his constituents shouldn't matter. If you've seen one (D) scandal, I suppose you've seen them all-- just start sounding off, throw in some mention about the evils of the liberal media, and you're good to go.

edit: Spitzer just gave a very brief statement. He'd done.

Red Dog
03-12-08, 10:47 AM
It's official. He's gone, effective Monday.

Tracer Bullet
03-12-08, 10:48 AM
It's official. He's gone, effective Monday.

Good riddance.

Pharoh
03-12-08, 10:51 AM
There's a D next to his name...that's all he needs to know. Trust me - he wouldn't have a single post in this thread if there was an R next to his name.



I believe he said Senator Craig should either resign or change parties.

:shrug:

Tracer Bullet
03-12-08, 10:56 AM
I believe he said Senator Craig should either resign or change parties.

:shrug:

Change parties? :lol:

What about Spitzer? Should he become a Republican?

Pharoh
03-12-08, 10:58 AM
Change parties? :lol:

What about Spitzer? Should he become a Republican?



No, I would be willing to bet that our resident doctor feels Mr. Spitzer fits in quite nicely with the Clintons.

Red Dog
03-12-08, 11:02 AM
I believe he said Senator Craig should either resign or change parties.

:shrug:


And why is that? Because of the gay angle or the criminal conduct (dubious though that may be)?

Do you believe he would have the same comments in here with the same fact pattern except for the 'D?'

What is his record on Vitter?

Red Dog
03-12-08, 11:09 AM
No, I would be willing to bet that our resident doctor feels Mr. Spitzer fits in quite nicely with the Clintons.


If he desires a GOP populated with elected officials who refrain from extramarital sex, it's going to be one small tent.

Pharoh
03-12-08, 11:23 AM
And why is that? Because of the gay angle or the criminal conduct (dubious though that may be)?

Do you believe he would have the same comments in here with the same fact pattern except for the 'D?'

What is his record on Vitter?



I really don't want to speak for another poster, but my feeling is that he would have, just as in the same manner or with the same frequency. The style would be different but the substance essentially the same.


Maybe I am wrong though?

Dave7393
03-12-08, 11:23 AM
There's now confirmation that his resignation was not linked to a deal. It was widely reported last night that a resignation would likely be linked to some kind of an agreement with prosecutors, but that apparently didn't happen. He just left office-- no strings.

bhk
03-12-08, 11:27 AM
No, I would be willing to bet that our resident doctor feels Mr. Spitzer fits in quite nicely with the Clintons.

:lol:
Oscar Wilde said it best. The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.

At least he was man enough to avoid putting New York and the country through impeachment proceedings caused by his failure to live up to his oath of office and his illegal activities.

If only Bill Clinton could have been a man.

bhk
03-12-08, 11:29 AM
What about Spitzer? Should he become a Republican?

He fits infinitely better with the dems. And the criminal activity in the case of Craig wasn't alleged, he admitted guilt.

Red Dog
03-12-08, 11:32 AM
So guilt is the key? I am unaware of any admission of guilt to a crime by Spitzer.

Red Dog
03-12-08, 11:36 AM
I really don't want to speak for another poster, but my feeling is that he would have, just as in the same manner or with the same frequency. The style would be different but the substance essentially the same.


Maybe I am wrong though?


Look at how he started out in this thread. He didn't even comment on the actual event. He started out with his usual rant about party mentions in news articles.

orangecrush
03-12-08, 11:36 AM
Good riddance.
I know nothing about the man. What don't you like about him/his policies?

Tracer Bullet
03-12-08, 11:53 AM
I know nothing about the man. What don't you like about him/his policies?

I actually voted for him, but I don't like hypocrisy.

bhk
03-12-08, 12:11 PM
So guilt is the key? I am unaware of any admission of guilt to a crime by Spitzer.

He admitted to using prostitutes. As far as I know that is illegal.

JasonF
03-12-08, 12:14 PM
In fairness, here's the relevant section of the New York Penal Code:

Section 230.00 Prostitution

A person is guilty of prostitution when such person engages or agrees or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee.

Prostitution is a class B Misdemeanor.


Section 230.02 Patronizing a prostitute; definitions

1. A person patronizes a prostitute when:

(a) Pursuant to a prior understanding, he pays a fee to another person as compensation for such person or a third person having engaged in sexual conduct with him; or

(b) He pays or agrees to pay a fee to another person pursuant to an understanding that in return therefor such person or a third person will engage in sexual conduct with him; or

(c) He solicits or requests another person to engage in sexual conduct with him in return for a fee; provided that

(d) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no person shall be considered a "person patronizing a prostitute" if his name is "Eliot Spitzer."

2. As used in this article, "person who is patronized" means the person with whom the defendant engaged in sexual conduct or was to have engaged in sexual conduct pursuant to the understanding, or the person who was solicited or requested by the defendant to engage in sexual conduct.

It's true. You can look it up in law books.

orangecrush
03-12-08, 12:30 PM
I actually voted for him, but I don't like hypocrisy.
Fair enough. That seems to be why most people I am listening to are blasting him.

sracer
03-12-08, 12:37 PM
I actually voted for him, but I don't like hypocrisy.
You didn't know about his hypocritical nature before you voted for him? :scratch2:

Tracer Bullet
03-12-08, 12:45 PM
You didn't know about his hypocritical nature before you voted for him? :scratch2:

Not to this degree, no.

DVD Josh
03-12-08, 12:48 PM
Page Six is reporting this is the gal in question:

http://www.pagesix.com/story/spitzer+s+hooker+revealed

Picture is NSFW.

spainlinx0
03-12-08, 12:53 PM
NSFW? Her breasts and face are both blurred out.

bwvanh114
03-12-08, 12:56 PM
Page Six is reporting this is the gal in question:

http://www.pagesix.com/story/spitzer+s+hooker+revealed

Picture is NSFW.I like how one of the comments is, "I'd pee in her butt."

Mordred
03-12-08, 01:00 PM
The air is still smelling fresher today beacause this toadie is going down. Hopefully forever.I'm so confused. I haven't paid any attention for the last 24 hours, but last I heard (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showpost.php?p=8557621&postcount=121) the media and his constituents were giving him a free pass because "his heart was in the right place." What changed bhk?


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