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wm lopez
03-01-08, 09:55 AM
In Chicago it was front page news about how Obama got on black parents in Texas. I surprised nobody has started a thread on this and have not seen much coverage on it in the news. He gave was like a Bill Cosby speech about how black parents have not been doing a good job on raising kids. Feeding them Popeye's chicken for breakfest was one of the comments. I'm not kidding I would have posted the comments if I knew how. Anybody hear about this?

Brent L
03-01-08, 10:00 AM
Well good for him. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Here is a report about it:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/819177,CST-NWS-sweet29.article

Obama tells Blacks: Shape up
LYNN SWEET | Crowd cheers advice to turn off TV, skip Popeyes for breakfast

February 29, 2008
BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Columnist

FORT WORTH, Texas -- On the campaign trail, Democratic front-runner Sen. Barack Obama talks about how he would use the bully pulpit if president, and he offered a demonstration Thursday when he drew wild cheers as he told a mostly African-American crowd that parents need to shape up, turn off the TV, help their kids with their homework and stop letting them grow fat eating Popeyes chicken for breakfast.

"It's not good enough for you to say to your child, 'Do good in school,' and then when that child comes home, you got the TV set on, you got the radio on, you don't check their homework, there is not a book in the house, you've got the video game playing," said Obama while in Beaumont, in southeast Texas.

"So turn off the TV set, put the video game away. Buy a little desk or put that child by the kitchen table. Watch them do their homework. If they don't know how to do it, give them help. If you don't know how to do it, call the teacher. Make them go to bed at a reasonable time. Keep them off the streets. Give ' em some breakfast. Come on. ... You know I am right."
'I've got to talk about us'

Can change happen with words? That's a core question being raised about the Obama candidacy.

"I've got to talk about us a little bit," said Obama. "We can't keep on feeding our children junk all day long, giving them no exercise. They are overweight by the time they are 4 or 5 years old, and then we are surprised when they get sick."

Obama -- who exercises and is careful about what he eats -- said obese children need to improve their nutrition habits, invoking the name of a chain that makes delicious fried chicken.

"I know how hard it is to get kids to eat properly," Obama said. "But I also know that if folks letting our children drink eight sodas a day, which some parents do, or, you know, eat a bag of potato chips for lunch, or Popeyes for breakfast.

"Y'all have Popeyes out in Beaumont? I know some of y'all you got that cold Popeyes out for breakfast. I know. That's why y'all laughing. ... You can't do that. Children have to have proper nutrition. That affects also how they study, how they learn in school."

Obama has delivered "tough love'' messages before about personal responsibility, but he seemed to revel in his "truth-telling" while campaigning in Beaumont, on a day that also took him to Austin and Fort Worth in advance of Tuesday's crucial primaries.

As Obama stumped in the Lone Star State to Texas-size crowds -- he packed in 13,000 people at the convention center here Thursday night -- his campaign was downplaying any presumption that he will emerge in a few days as the all-but-certain Democratic nominee.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton "is working tirelessly, as is Bill Clinton, in both Ohio and Texas; these races are extraordinarily tight," Obama said during a press conference on his plane en route to Beaumont. The Obama team was shocked to lose the New Hampshire primary in January, and since then, Obama has curbed the bravado that bubbled up in the Granite State.

Obama resisted an invitation by a reporter to write the Clinton campaign obituary. Said Obama, "Remember New Hampshire?"

Giantrobo
03-01-08, 10:16 AM
Preach it brotha!


(But I still ain't votin' for you) :p

xfilefanfreak
03-01-08, 10:20 AM
If a wight guy said that then what would that make him ?and the would be all over it

wabio
03-01-08, 10:21 AM
So he's preaching family values. Maybe he should run as a conservative? :lol:

General Zod
03-01-08, 10:30 AM
If a wight guy said that then what would that make him ?and the would be all over it
Well said :up:

Kudos to Obama though for saying what must be said at a time when it could politically backfire on him - but I doubt it.

NCMojo
03-01-08, 10:35 AM
Apparently in that same speech, he also homphobia (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Selling_gay_rights.html) to his largely black audience:
An interesting moment came when he was asked a question about LGBT rights and delivered an answer that seemed to suit the questioner, listing the various attributes race, gender, etc. that shouldn't trigger discrimination, to successive cheers. When he came to saying that gays and lesbians deserve equality, though, the crowd fell silent.

So he took a different tack:

"Now Im a Christian, and I praise Jesus every Sunday," he said, to a sudden wave of noisy applause and cheers.

"I hear people saying things that I dont think are very Christian with respect to people who are gay and lesbian," he said, and the crowd seemed to come along with him this time.
This comes on top of his earlier statements (http://www.observer.com/2008/obama-addresses-homophobia-anti-semitism-and-xenophobia-among-black-americans) about homophobia in the black community back on January 20:
And yet, if we are honest with ourselves, we must admit that none of our hands are entirely clean. If were honest with ourselves, well acknowledge that our own community has not always been true to Kings vision of a beloved community.
We have scorned our gay brothers and sisters instead of embracing them. The scourge of anti-Semitism has, at times, revealed itself in our community. For too long, some of us have seen immigrants as competitors for jobs instead of companions in the fight for opportunity.

Every day, our politics fuels and exploits this kind of division across all races and regions; across gender and party. It is played out on television. It is sensationalized by the media. And last week, it even crept into the campaign for President, with charges and counter-charges that served to obscure the issues instead of illuminating the critical choices we face as a nation.

So let us say that on this day of all days, each of us carries with us the task of changing our hearts and minds. The division, the stereotypes, the scape-goating, the ease with which we blame our plight on others all of this distracts us from the common challenges we face war and poverty; injustice and inequality. We can no longer afford to build ourselves up by tearing someone else down. We can no longer afford to traffic in lies or fear or hate. It is the poison that we must purge from our politics; the wall that we must tear down before the hour grows too late.
He's on record as being against the Defense of Marriage Act and "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". I'll admit, I was a John Edwards fan, but... the more I learn about Obama, and the more I watch him respond to his critics, the more impressed I get.

NCMojo
03-01-08, 10:40 AM
Well said :up:

Kudos to Obama though for saying what must be said at a time when it could politically backfire on him - but I doubt it.
The last thing I would have said about that post is that it was "well said". :lol:

Sure, there's a double-standard out there. Black people can call each other n*gg*r and white people can't even use the word on an Internet forum, yadda yadda. But that's just claptrap. I'd put a lot more weight in your last statement -- he's willing to go out there and challenge people, and not just stick to the standard political script.

chris_sc77
03-01-08, 10:45 AM
Very cool of Obama to have some balls and actually say things that are truthful even if if might offend some of his supporters. What is that line from Monster's Ball, something like "You can't be a fat black man in America and get respect"? It is true in most places (except rap music and shitty comedy films of course....).
He has my vote thats for sure.
Didn't he also get on blacks about their reluctance to accept homosexuality in their culture?

General Zod
03-01-08, 10:45 AM
The last thing I would have said about that post is that it was "well said". :lol:
I know.. I was going for teh funny ;)

xfilefanfreak
03-01-08, 10:45 AM
The last thing I would have said about that post is that it was "well said". :lol:

Sure, there's a double-standard out there. Black people can call each other n*gg*r and white people can't even use the word on an Internet forum, yadda yadda. But that's just claptrap. I'd put a lot more weight in your last statement -- he's willing to go out there and challenge people, and not just stick to the standard political script.
I understand what your saying but come on i get so sick of the news about a whit guy saying ohhh bad shit about black people but look there are lots of black people that can say the same stuff and slam anybody they want sorry not right and thats y i have turnd the news off :wtf:

Sean O'Hara
03-01-08, 10:51 AM
Y'all have Popeyes out in Beaumont? I know some of y'all you got that cold Popeyes out for breakfast. I know. That's why y'all laughing.

http://www.randomimage.us/files/436e66cff0956.gif

-ohbfrank- -ohbfrank- -ohbfrank-

Th0r S1mpson
03-01-08, 11:02 AM
-ohbfrank- -ohbfrank- -ohbfrank-
Are you white or black? Because that eye roll you just did was either really racist, or really powerful. :down::up:

Mods, can we please have race displayed below screen names so we can respond more appropriately?

wewantflair
03-01-08, 11:06 AM
I understand what your saying but come on i get so sick of the news about a whit guy saying ohhh bad shit about black people but look there are lots of black people that can say the same stuff and slam anybody they want sorry not right and thats y i have turnd the news off :wtf:

Yeah, THAT'S why. :lol:

Th0r S1mpson
03-01-08, 11:06 AM
Oh, almost forgot. Big thumbs up to Obama for this. :up:

He really does have a good head on his shoulders and the potential to impact people in a lot of good ways.

Dr Mabuse
03-01-08, 11:20 AM
The last thing I would have said about that post is that it was "well said". :lol:

i was wondering about that too...

Dr Mabuse
03-01-08, 11:21 AM
I know.. I was going for teh funny ;)

ohhh...

i see what you did there...

NCMojo
03-01-08, 12:03 PM
I understand what your saying but come on i get so sick of the news about a whit guy saying ohhh bad shit about black people but look there are lots of black people that can say the same stuff and slam anybody they want sorry not right and thats y i have turnd the news off :wtf:
Let me just take a moment to speak directly to the white race: please, parents. I'm begging you. Education is so important.

JasonF
03-01-08, 12:27 PM
I understand what your saying but come on i get so sick of the news about a whit guy saying ohhh bad shit about black people but look there are lots of black people that can say the same stuff and slam anybody they want sorry not right and thats y i have turnd the news off :wtf:

It's a hell of a difference if your brother says something critical about your mother versus if I say something critical about your mother. If your brother says your mother should lose some weight, you know he's part of your family and he's trying to look out for Mom's health. If I say your mother should lose some weight, maybe I'm looking out for your Mom's health ... and maybe I'm just talking shit about your mother.

foggy
03-01-08, 12:37 PM
It's a hell of a difference if your brother says something critical about your mother versus if I say something critical about your mother. If your brother says your mother should lose some weight, you know he's part of your family and he's trying to look out for Mom's health. If I say your mother should lose some weight, maybe I'm looking out for your Mom's health ... and maybe I'm just talking shit about your mother.

So you're basically saying that any black person is more closely related to any other black person than they are to any white person. That is racist. I have cousins that are black, I think that I probably more closely related to them than they are to Obama.

Jeremy517
03-01-08, 01:00 PM
If a wight guy said that then what would that make him ?and the would be all over it

<img src="http://minipainting-guild.net/gallery/other/WIGHT_F.JPG">

:confused:

JasonF
03-01-08, 01:01 PM
So you're basically saying that any black person is more closely related to any other black person than they are to any white person. That is racist. I have cousins that are black, I think that I probably more closely related to them than they are to Obama.

No, I'm saying that as a general rule, the black community -- like any community -- is going to be more receptive to criticism coming from within than to criticism coming from without.

Mad Dawg
03-01-08, 01:20 PM
*sigh* I was warming up to Sen Obama before this epic blunder. I mean, it was all wonderful right up until the cheap shot. Do NOT screw with Popeye's, Senator! :mad:

DonnachaOne
03-01-08, 01:50 PM
It'd be funny now if Popeye's sued.

kvrdave
03-01-08, 02:21 PM
It's a good tactic. Republicans can vote in the primary for Obama in Texas, and most probably don't think there is much poing in voting for McCain because it is wrapped up, so say a few things about being a good parent that will get some votes from the other side that already wants to make sure Hillary loses. ANd there is no worry about offending the black audience. Those that would be offended are not likely voters anyway.

DVD Polizei
03-01-08, 02:25 PM
Popeye's: "Our food is certainly nutritious for any time of the day and we stand by our product. Why here. Let me introduce you to Moesha, one of our employees. Sure, she's 653-pounds, and we're still trying to figure out where her ass ends and her torso begins, but that's not the point."

wm lopez
03-01-08, 04:47 PM
Now when Jesse Jackson ran for President in the 1980's things were looking good for blacks so there was no need to make comments like Obama. But when Rev. Al Sharpton ran why didn't he make comments like that? And also I do believe black radio host Larry Elder has made those comments during this century in fact has a book out called STUPID BLACKS.

VinVega
03-01-08, 06:54 PM
Any reason why this wasn't posted in the official election thread?

xfilefanfreak
03-01-08, 09:50 PM
People get so pissed off at bad words they hert if you let them !!!

Draven
03-02-08, 12:19 AM
People get so pissed off at bad words they hert if you let them !!!

Seriously, are you typing with your nose or something?

Jason
03-02-08, 08:39 AM
Seriously, are you typing with your nose or something?

Maybe he's really an LOLcat or something.

wm lopez
03-02-08, 09:01 AM
Any reason why this wasn't posted in the official election thread?
If it had it would have been buried in other words this story would have been treated like all Obama negative stories the media handles.

Draven
03-02-08, 10:16 AM
If it had it would have been buried in other words this story would have been treated like all Obama negative stories the media handles.

It looks like English...

crazyronin
03-02-08, 10:49 AM
Any reason why this wasn't posted in the official election thread?

Did you ever see a group of cats circle around an injured mouse, batting at it and toying with it?

There you go.

The Bus
03-02-08, 11:05 AM
Now when Jesse Jackson ran for President in the 1980's things were looking good for blacks

What in the world are you talking about?

CUBuffsMike41
03-02-08, 11:15 AM
Hey gents,

Did you hear some of Obamas latest lines?

Put down the video games, shut off the TV, help your kids do their homework, don't waste your money on a huge desk from IKEA.

These words are making him a marked man. If he is assasinated, it has nothing to do with race but rather with the economic threat he poses to all these predatory american corporations.

Keep the watch alive, and if he's assasinated remember that the Rockefellers (Jay, Nelson, David) did it.

chrisih8u
03-02-08, 11:16 AM
-screwy-

Brain Stew
03-02-08, 11:17 AM
I liked Fight Club, also

VinVega
03-02-08, 11:18 AM
I guess the fact that it says "Obama" in the title makes it politics, but other than that it belongs in the silly subforum.

The Bus
03-02-08, 11:27 AM
I guess the fact that it says "Obama" in the title makes it politics, but other than that it belongs in the silly subforum.

It doesn't belong in the silly forum. It deals with neither kvrdave nor a raft.

grundle
03-02-08, 01:21 PM
I certainly don't recall Hillary ever saying anything like this about parents needing to take more responsibility for their children.

I know that Obama usually speaks out in favor of more taxes, more governemnt spending, and more government regulation. However, his economic advisor is Austan Goolsbee, a professor of economics at the University of Chicago. If Obama wins the election, it's possible that he could be the most libertarian President that this country has had in a long time.

wm lopez
03-02-08, 05:06 PM
What in the world are you talking about?
I talkin about the 80's:
1st black man in space
1st black Miss America
1st black movie box-office (Eddie Murphy)
1st black all-time biggest selling album (THRILLER)
Oprah Winfrey becomes number 1 on daytime T.V. beating out Phil Donahue
In the 80's NBA stars Jordan & Magic are sports role models.
Whitney Houston is a big superstar in music and her music is played by all radio stations.
Harold Washington becomes Chicago's 1st black mayor. (This is a BIIIG deal!)
BILL COSBY SHOW becomes the #1 show in America.
MTV plays videos of black artists.
Spike Lee makes his 1st film and is compared to Woody Allen by critics.
NO NEGATIVE IMAGES OF BLACKS IN THE 80'S.

DullandWitless
03-02-08, 05:15 PM
I agree with him. Popeyes sucks!

JasonF
03-02-08, 05:40 PM
NO NEGATIVE IMAGES OF BLACKS IN THE 80'S.

You have got to be kidding me. You cited Harold Washington's election as an example of something good that happened for Black America in the 1980s -- and I agree, it was. But how about the other half of the story: his election led to the "Council Wars," where Aldermen Ed Vrdolyak and Ed Burke led a large faction of white members of the Chicago City Council in opposing Mayor Washington at every turn.

How about the War on Drugs, which focused America's attention on crack cocaine while largely ignoring other, "whiter" drugs.

How about the obsession with Gangsta Rap, and the breathless stories about 2 Live Crew and NWA.

How about the Bloods and the Crips?

Red Dog
03-02-08, 06:01 PM
I certainly don't recall Hillary ever saying anything like this about parents needing to take more responsibility for their children.

I know that Obama usually speaks out in favor of more taxes, more governemnt spending, and more government regulation. However, his economic advisor is Austan Goolsbee, a professor of economics at the University of Chicago. If Obama wins the election, it's possible that he could be the most libertarian President that this country has had in a long time.


Meh. I'll believe it when I see it. If you read his issues page (a laundry list of entitlement proposals that will cost big bucks), it sure doesn't show.

Now perhaps he will be the most libertarian president we've had in a long time from a civil liberties perspective.

wendersfan
03-02-08, 06:22 PM
NO NEGATIVE IMAGES OF BLACKS IN THE 80'S.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/HortonWillie.jpg

chris_sc77
03-02-08, 08:01 PM
I talkin about the 80's:
1st black man in space
1st black Miss America
1st black movie box-office (Eddie Murphy)
1st black all-time biggest selling album (THRILLER)
Oprah Winfrey becomes number 1 on daytime T.V. beating out Phil Donahue
In the 80's NBA stars Jordan & Magic are sports role models.
Whitney Houston is a big superstar in music and her music is played by all radio stations.
Harold Washington becomes Chicago's 1st black mayor. (This is a BIIIG deal!)
BILL COSBY SHOW becomes the #1 show in America.
MTV plays videos of black artists.
Spike Lee makes his 1st film and is compared to Woody Allen by critics.
NO NEGATIVE IMAGES OF BLACKS IN THE 80'S.
Wasn't the 80's also responsible for the 2nd biggest (after slavery, of course) injustice ever shone upon blacks: The Jheri Curl.... :sarcasm:

wm lopez
03-03-08, 02:59 PM
You have got to be kidding me. You cited Harold Washington's election as an example of something good that happened for Black America in the 1980s -- and I agree, it was. But how about the other half of the story: his election led to the "Council Wars," where Aldermen Ed Vrdolyak and Ed Burke led a large faction of white members of the Chicago City Council in opposing Mayor Washington at every turn.

How about the War on Drugs, which focused America's attention on crack cocaine while largely ignoring other, "whiter" drugs.

How about the obsession with Gangsta Rap, and the breathless stories about 2 Live Crew and NWA.

How about the Bloods and the Crips? On the council wars it made the mayor look good because he didn't give in. And then he got the majority of the votes and then no more council wars. And then all of sudden he the mayor dies and everything in Chicago goes back to like it is today. CORRUPTION! But the gangsta rap and gangs that was not an issue in t.v. or movies or on the radio. Blacks had a good image in the 80's like I listed.

NCMojo
03-03-08, 03:13 PM
wm_lopez has an excellent point. Then again, I think his memory of how black people were presented in the 80s is almost entirely based on reruns of The Cosby Show on Nick at Nite.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/resources/2007/10/cosby.jpg

raven56706
03-03-08, 03:33 PM
nice to hear Obama say what he said.... now if someone in the spanish community can get rid of Mind of Mencia

Groucho
03-03-08, 03:36 PM
wm_lopez has an excellent point. Then again, I think his memory of how black people were presented in the 80s is almost entirely based on reruns of The Cosby Show on Nick at Nite.He'd get along well with that poster who was worried that Obama would appoint Flava Flave to his cabinet.

The Bus
03-03-08, 04:10 PM
I talkin about the 80's:
1st black man in space
1st black Miss America
1st black movie box-office (Eddie Murphy)
1st black all-time biggest selling album (THRILLER)
Oprah Winfrey becomes number 1 on daytime T.V. beating out Phil Donahue
In the 80's NBA stars Jordan & Magic are sports role models.
Whitney Houston is a big superstar in music and her music is played by all radio stations.
Harold Washington becomes Chicago's 1st black mayor. (This is a BIIIG deal!)
BILL COSBY SHOW becomes the #1 show in America.
MTV plays videos of black artists.
Spike Lee makes his 1st film and is compared to Woody Allen by critics.
NO NEGATIVE IMAGES OF BLACKS IN THE 80'S.

Wow. You're in an even bigger bubble than I ever thought.

The Bus
03-03-08, 04:10 PM
nice to hear Obama say what he said.... now if someone in the spanish community can get rid of Mind of Mencia

George Lopez is kind of annoying too.

Th0r S1mpson
03-03-08, 04:16 PM
Wow. You're in an even bigger bubble than I ever thought.
Isn't a bigger bubble better than a smaller bubble?

adamblast
03-03-08, 04:46 PM
I thought there was at least *one* politician I could trust. Then he campaigns against fried chicken for breakfast, and I'm disenfranchised again. :(

wm lopez
03-04-08, 02:03 PM
Back in the 80's the average well dressed black man didn't wear a baseball cap tilted, a sports jersey, and sneakers like they do now. Even NBA players in the 80's wore suits without having to be made to. All I know is young blacks and the whole black culture was positive back in the 80's. So I don't know why you guys are making fun of that.

NCMojo
03-04-08, 02:07 PM
Back in the 80's the average well dressed black man didn't wear a baseball cap tilted, a sports jersey, and sneakers like they do now. Even NBA players in the 80's wore suits without having to be made to. All I know is young blacks and the whole black culture was positive back in the 80's. So I don't know why you guys are making fun of that.
Oh, you misunderstand. We're making fun of you. :p

wendersfan
03-04-08, 02:08 PM
So I don't know why you guys are making fun of that.People often make fun of mystical worlds that only exist in other people's imaginations.

spainlinx0
03-04-08, 02:27 PM
Back in the 80's the average well dressed black man didn't wear a baseball cap tilted, a sports jersey, and sneakers like they do now. Even NBA players in the 80's wore suits without having to be made to. All I know is young blacks and the whole black culture was positive back in the 80's. So I don't know why you guys are making fun of that.

I think at any time any man, black or white, who is considered well-dressed doesn't wear a tilted baseball cap, a sports jersey, and sneakers.

JasonF
03-04-08, 02:34 PM
People often make fun of mystical worlds that only exist in other people's imaginations.

:sad: Don't talk smack about Magical Peanut Butter Unicorn Land.

Red Dog
03-04-08, 02:41 PM
Hell, if you want to talk about differences in dress (formality), compare the entire American population - white, black, green, etc - of today and how they dress for most events/everyday life and compare it to 50+ years ago.

classicman2
03-04-08, 02:44 PM
I can remember when doctors wore suits and shined shoes. :)

Jeremy517
03-04-08, 02:45 PM
:sad: Don't talk smack about Magical Peanut Butter Unicorn Land.

Crunchy or Creamy?

The Bus
03-04-08, 02:55 PM
Back in the 80's the average well dressed black man didn't wear a baseball cap tilted, a sports jersey, and sneakers like they do now..
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4686/1648/1600/Moriblue.jpg

JasonF
03-04-08, 02:55 PM
Crunchy or Creamy?

Both! That's what makes it so Magical!

AGuyNamedMike
03-04-08, 02:57 PM
Back in the 80's the average well dressed black man didn't wear a baseball cap tilted, a sports jersey, and sneakers like they do now. Even NBA players in the 80's wore suits without having to be made to. All I know is young blacks and the whole black culture was positive back in the 80's. So I don't know why you guys are making fun of that.

'Zackly! Look at what these critically acclaimed musicians were wearing in 1987.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6223/pegalerie07nd2.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pegalerie07nd2.jpg)

Oh, wait.

JasonF
03-04-08, 03:16 PM
'Zackly! Look at what these critically acclaimed musicians were wearing in 1987.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6223/pegalerie07nd2.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pegalerie07nd2.jpg)

Oh, wait.

Sure, they're all wearing tilted baseball caps and sports jerseys (and, in Flavor Flav's case, a giant clock). But what about the sneakers? WHAT ABOUT THE SNEAKERS? I believe that wm lopez is exactly right and in that picture -- a picture you deliberatley chose to avoid showing their feet -- Chuck D is wearing wingtips.

Jeremy517
03-04-08, 04:00 PM
Both! That's what makes it so Magical!

<img src="http://myblahg.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/exploding_head.jpg">

Numanoid
03-04-08, 04:13 PM
I can remember when doctors wore suits and shined shoes. :)Those were the days. I could get checked for a hernia and have my Florsheims spiffed up all in the same trip.

dork
03-04-08, 04:25 PM
Those were the days. I could get checked for a hernia and have my Florsheims spiffed up all in the same trip.
Depending on what you mean by your "Florsheims", some doctors will still do that for you.

NCMojo
03-04-08, 06:15 PM
Depending on what you mean by your "Florsheims", some doctors will still do that for you.
If by "doctors" you mean "Republican congressmen"...

wm lopez
03-04-08, 10:41 PM
Sure, they're all wearing tilted baseball caps and sports jerseys (and, in Flavor Flav's case, a giant clock). But what about the sneakers? WHAT ABOUT THE SNEAKERS? I believe that wm lopez is exactly right and in that picture -- a picture you deliberatley chose to avoid showing their feet -- Chuck D is wearing wingtips.
There was rap but it wasn't the main music the way it was in the 90's and today.

wm lopez
03-04-08, 10:46 PM
Oh, you misunderstand. We're making fun of you. :p Making fun of someone who is sticking up for blacks. That's cool?

Vibiana
03-05-08, 09:21 AM
It's a hell of a difference if your brother says something critical about your mother versus if I say something critical about your mother. If your brother says your mother should lose some weight, you know he's part of your family and he's trying to look out for Mom's health. If I say your mother should lose some weight, maybe I'm looking out for your Mom's health ... and maybe I'm just talking shit about your mother.

Yo mama so fat when she hauls ass, she gotta make two trips. :D

creekdipper
03-07-08, 06:32 AM
No, I'm saying that as a general rule, the black community -- like any community -- is going to be more receptive to criticism coming from within than to criticism coming from without.


Would the "black community" (whatever the heck that means) be more receptive to a Republican who had two black parents rather than Obama, who has a white mother? Shouldn't black people who would be offended by hearing criticism of "the community" from a white person be at least partially offended by criticism from Obama ("That's easy for you to say, Mulatto!").

Isn't it time that people started evaluating their leaders based upon their qualifications/policies rather than their race, gender, sexual preference, age etc.?

I find it incredibly condescending that some just assume that all blacks should automatically vote for blacks, all women should automatically vote for women, all homosexuals should automatically vote for homosexuals, all people should vote for a person closest to their own age, etc. Can you imagine the furor if the media (or any group except the KKK) suggested that all white people should automatically give their votes to white persons (although the gender/sexual preference issues would still cause consternation)?

No wonder our country is in such a mess.

creekdipper
03-07-08, 06:35 AM
No, I'm saying that as a general rule, the black community -- like any community -- is going to be more receptive to criticism coming from within than to criticism coming from without.


Would the "black community" (whatever the heck that means) be more receptive to a Republican who had two black parents rather than Obama, who has a white mother? Shouldn't black people who would be offended by hearing criticism of "the community" from a white person be at least partially offended by criticism from Obama ("That's easy for you to say, Mulatto!").

Isn't it time that people started evaluating their leaders based upon their qualifications/policies rather than their race, gender, sexual preference, etc.?

I find it incredibly condescending that some just assume that all blacks should automatically vote for blacks, all women should automatically vote for women, all homosexuals should automatically vote for homosexuals, etc. Can you imagine the furor if the media (or any group except the KKK) suggested that all white people should automatically give their votes to white persons (although the gender/sexual preference issues would still cause consternation)?

I suppose that, using the logic expressed in some earlier posts, I should simply say that if either Obama or Clinton is elected, I should ignore any of their criticisms since I'm neither black nor female.

No wonder our country is in such a mess.

Jeremy517
03-07-08, 12:13 PM
Creekdipper, your response has basically nothing to do with what JasonF said.

Vibiana
03-07-08, 12:27 PM
Creekdipper, your response has basically nothing to do with what JasonF said.

creekdipper won't be swayed by simple logic. :D

creekdipper
03-08-08, 05:09 AM
Creekdipper, your response has basically nothing to do with what JasonF said.

Ignoring Vibiana's illogical response, I'll add a rebuttal to your statement. Jason's point was that the "black community" would be more receptive to hearing criticism from Obama than from someone from another racial group, if I'm reading his post correctly.

I was attempting to be sarcastic...not toward Jason's premise, which I happen (sadly)to agree with...but toward the idea that any group should be more receptive to valid criticism simply because it comes from someone "like us" and not because the criticism is valid.

It's one thing for a person who has lived through exactly the same circumstances as ourselves to offer advice/criticism/whatever in an effort to be helpful. I just have problems with the notion that being of the same race/gender/etc. qualifies a person to talk to others of similar genetic makeup as being more of an expert than someone else of a different genetic makeup but whose life experiences are more similar to our own.

I realize that some may argue that being a member of a minority (even a racially-mixed minority...or especially a racially-mixed minority) makes someone easier to identify with or gives them similar experiences in some areas (for example, negative discrimination). When it comes to common sense parenting skills, I don't see that one's race, gender, etc. make a lot of difference. Is anyone really going to argue that minorities have different goals & aspirations for their children than members of majority groups? Unless I'm very mistaken, all parents want their children to be happy,healthy, well-educated, self-disciplined, productive members of society.

I'm not denying the fact that people perhaps naturally identify with and are more willing to listen to others who physically appear to be similar. I'm just saying that, while we accept that notion as having validity when it comes to minority viewpoints, it would most likely be regarded as racial bigotry if applied by a person belonging to a majority group...for instance, if a white person gave more credence to a white politician simply because he or she is from "within our community". That type of group-think is what impedes the progress of electing minorities, women, etc.

How does that "have nothing to do" with Jason's post, Jeremy? (Again, I'm not arguing with Jason, just commenting on the conflicting ways that this principle would be applied to people of different backgrounds). I'm just expressing a wish for people to be more color-blind when it comes to choosing which advice to follow rather than giving special credence to universal messages based upon the messenger's genetic makeup.

Aside to Vib: You're right, I won't be swayed by "simple" logic. I tend to be swayed by informed, intelligent logic rather than "logic" coming from simple minds. -wink-

Red Dog
06-18-08, 07:13 AM
Would the "black community" (whatever the heck that means) be more receptive to a Republican who had two black parents rather than Obama, who has a white mother? Shouldn't black people who would be offended by hearing criticism of "the community" from a white person be at least partially offended by criticism from Obama ("That's easy for you to say, Mulatto!").

Isn't it time that people started evaluating their leaders based upon their qualifications/policies rather than their race, gender, sexual preference, etc.?

I find it incredibly condescending that some just assume that all blacks should automatically vote for blacks, all women should automatically vote for women, all homosexuals should automatically vote for homosexuals, etc. Can you imagine the furor if the media (or any group except the KKK) suggested that all white people should automatically give their votes to white persons (although the gender/sexual preference issues would still cause consternation)?

I suppose that, using the logic expressed in some earlier posts, I should simply say that if either Obama or Clinton is elected, I should ignore any of their criticisms since I'm neither black nor female.

No wonder our country is in such a mess.


So the forum can assume that if given the opportunity, you would not automatically vote for a Christian candidate over a non-Christian candidate?

orangecrush
06-18-08, 08:00 AM
So the forum can assume that if given the opportunity, you would not automatically vote for a Christian candidate over a non-Christian candidate?
When will this opportunity present itself?

wendersfan
06-18-08, 08:09 AM
When will this opportunity present itself?
By my count there are two Muslims and about 40 Jews in Congress; one assumes at least a few of them ran against Christians.

Red Dog
06-18-08, 08:11 AM
When will this opportunity present itself?


I don't know where he lives.

Frankly, I find this bitching by whites about blacks automatically voting for blacks quite humorous. I guess it's easy for whites to bitch about it when you consider that in most areas of the country, the choice in elections has been the white guy vs. the white guy, or maybe woman in a few cases.

A-aron
06-18-08, 08:12 AM
But .. Popeye's is the shit!

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h110/achau9598/little-nicky-1.jpg

dork
06-18-08, 08:16 AM
By my count there are two Muslims
Obama and ...? Sen. (Cat) Stevens of Alaska?

Tracer Bullet
06-18-08, 08:39 AM
Obama and ...? Sen. (Cat) Stevens of Alaska?

Harlan Ellison.

bhk
06-18-08, 09:12 AM
What he said was that the US should bribe black men into staying with their family with US tax payer money.

Telling the truth to black people didn't work out so well for Bill Cosby. But because Obama is The Messiah, there isn't an uproar.

The Bus
06-18-08, 09:21 AM
Telling the truth to black people didn't work out so well for Bill Cosby.

It didn't?

bhk
06-18-08, 09:43 AM
There was a huge outcry when he talked about black people in the past.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=/SpecialReports/archive/200407/SPE20040702a.html


The entertainer has been at the center of a racially charged controversy since May when he ridiculed the poor grammar of some blacks. "I can't even talk the way these people talk, 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... and I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk," Cosby said in Washington, D.C. on May 17, at an event marking the anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education desegregation ruling....
The article does go on to say that Jesse Jackson and Judge Mathis agree with Cosby.

Venusian
06-18-08, 09:47 AM
By my count there are two Muslims and about 40 Jews in Congress; one assumes at least a few of them ran against Christians.
and a Buddhist

NCMojo
06-18-08, 10:08 AM
What he said was that the US should bribe black men into staying with their family with US tax payer money.
He did? Where?

orangecrush
06-18-08, 12:19 PM
By my count there are two Muslims and about 40 Jews in Congress; one assumes at least a few of them ran against Christians.
I have only ever had the opportunity to not write in white Protestants at the national level. I wouldn't have much of a problem voting for non-Christians if the Christian alternative was Huckabee.

bhk
06-18-08, 02:01 PM
He did? Where?

In his speech.

http://centristvoice.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/transcript-obama-speech-on-fatherhood/

Here:
OBAMA: It's a responsibility that extends to Washington. We should be making it easier for fathers who make responsible choices and harder for those who avoid them.


OBAMA: We should reward fathers who pay that child support with job training and job opportunities and a larger earned income tax credit that can help them pay the bills.
We should expand programs where registered nurses visit registered, uh, visit expectant and new mothers, and we should help new families care for their children by expanding maternity and paternity leave, and we should guarantee that every worker gets more paid sick-leave so they can stay home to take care of their child without losing their income.

Translation:
"Hey, look, Dad, after fathering that kid, get a little courage and stay home, and we'll send you some money, if you vote for me."

wendersfan
06-18-08, 02:13 PM
It's better than the current system of subsidizing the promotion of single-parent households.

bhk
06-18-08, 02:17 PM
It's better than the current system of subsidizing the promotion of single-parent households.

I agree completely, but two wrongs don't make a right.
(Not to mention that Obama means "in addition to" promoting(using tax money) single-parent homes and not "instead of".)

wendersfan
06-18-08, 02:22 PM
I agree completely, but two wrongs don't make a right.
(Not to mention that Obama means "in addition to" promoting(using tax money) single-parent homes and not "instead of".)The current system isn't working, so kudos to Obama for acknowledging that fact. Other than that I really don't have much in the way of suggestions or comments, other than:

1. I don't want to punish kids for the mistakes their parents make.

2. I'd rather my tax dollars go to job training than welfare, especially if the welfare system encourages young men to abandon their families and responsibilities.

sracer
06-18-08, 02:51 PM
The current system isn't working, so kudos to Obama for acknowledging that fact. Other than that I really don't have much in the way of suggestions or comments, other than:

1. I don't want to punish kids for the mistakes their parents make.

2. I'd rather my tax dollars go to job training than welfare, especially if the welfare system encourages young men to abandon their families and responsibilities.
Obama is not the first to acknowledge the fact that the current system is broken. Many have been saying that for 20+ years. Yeah, kudos for stating the oft-stated, I guess.

Government cannot fix a problem that is rooted in personal ethics.

A man capable of walking away from his children (financially and emotionally) is not going to see the light because of a jobs training program.

wendersfan
06-18-08, 02:58 PM
Government cannot fix a problem that is rooted in personal ethics.Government created the problem in the first place. Why can't it fix it?A man capable of walking away from his children (financially and emotionally) is not going to see the light because of a jobs training program.The system is such that men are encouraged, by their families, to walk away. I;'m not defending the action, I'm just pointing out the circumstances are extraordinary, even warped.

sracer
06-18-08, 03:19 PM
Government created the problem in the first place. Why can't it fix it?
I must be misunderstanding something. How did the government encourage men to walk away from their children?


The system is such that men are encouraged, by their families, to walk away. I;'m not defending the action, I'm just pointing out the circumstances are extraordinary, even warped.
Now I KNOW that I'm misunderstanding something. Their families encouraged men to walk away from their obligations?

orangecrush
06-18-08, 04:30 PM
Government created the problem in the first place. Why can't it fix it?The system is such that men are encouraged, by their families, to walk away. I;'m not defending the action, I'm just pointing out the circumstances are extraordinary, even warped.
Are you saying that men are incouraged to walk away because their income makes it harder for the "family" to get welfare?

HistoryProf
06-18-08, 04:40 PM
wm_lopez has an excellent point. Then again, I think his memory of how black people were presented in the 80s is almost entirely based on reruns of The Cosby Show on Nick at Nite.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/resources/2007/10/cosby.jpg


and ironically enough, Cosby got reamed for saying the exact same things a couple of years ago!

Two BIG thumbs up to Obama for saying this....i like this guy more and more. It's so refreshing to see a presidential candidate who is not 100% constrained by prescripted soundbites and vacuous doublespeak. He's going to make a good president. :up:


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