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classicman2
02-22-08, 08:28 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080222/ap_on_re_eu/serbia_kosovo_independence;_ylt=AqdhnozgWK613X5O5r6r6_Gs0NUE


U.N. police are firing tear gas at 5,000 Serb demonstrators trying to cross a key bridge in the ethnically divided city of Kosovoska Mitrovica.

Police fired the canisters Friday afternoon in an attempt to keep the protesters off the bridge separating the Serb and ethnic Albanian sides of the city — a flashpoint of tensions in Kosovo's restive north.

The demonstrators waved Serbian flags and chanted "Kosovo is ours!" on their fifth day of protests since Kosovo's ethnic Albanian leaders declared independence from Serbia on Sunday.


BELGRADE, Serbia (AP) — Serbia's prime minister appealed for calm on Friday as the European Union sharply condemned overnight rioting in Belgrade during which the U.S. embassy was stormed and other Western missions were damaged.

Serbian police said that one person died and more than 150 people were injured in the violence, which erupted after a state-sponsored rally to protest Kosovo's declaration of independence from Serbia on Sunday. Nearly 200 people were arrested and 90 shops ransacked, police said in a statement.

The unrest was the first major outburst of anti-Western sentiment in Serbia since former strongman Slobodan Milosevic was ousted in 2000 and replaced by a reformist government.

It exposed a deep rift within the country's shaky coalition government, raising fears that nationalist anger over Kosovo was strengthening the hard-liners who want to move Serbia away from the European Union and closer to its traditional ally Russia.

The United States and EU heavyweights Britain, France and Germany have formally recognized Kosovo.

The morning after angry mobs stormed the city, Belgrade streets were cleared of debris during the morning rush-hour traffic.

On Thursday night, rioters broke into the U.S. mission and set fire to offices and to police guardhouses on the sidewalk in front of the building. The nearby Croatian embassy was also attacked, and a residential building next door was damaged by flames.

Firefighters extinguished the blazes and found a charred body inside the U.S. mission's consular section. An autopsy on the body was being conducted Friday in Belgrade's military hospital, officials said.

Riot police clashed with looters on Thursday in the capital's downtown following the demonstration against Kosovo's independence in which nearly 200,000 people took part.

The European Union warned Serbia on Friday that the attacks risked harming efforts to bring the Balkan nation closer to the EU. The German government also warned the rioting could effect negatively Serbia's cooperation with the EU.

"These acts of violence lead nowhere and they cannot help anybody," said EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana. He told reporters that negotiations on an agreement designed to prepare Serbia for eventual EU membership would have to wait until things "calm down."

The White House also strongly criticized the Serbian government, saying the U.S. Embassy in Belgrade "was attacked by thugs" and Serb police did not do enough to stop it. In a conference call with reporters from Air Force One, presidential spokeswoman Dana Perino said the United States had expressed its "concern and displeasure" to the Serbian government.

Pro-Western politicians in Serbia accused hard-line nationalists in the government of Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica of inciting the violence in order to demonstrate Serbia's anger at Kosovo's independence.

In Kosovo, the Prime Minister, Hashim Thaci said the violence in the streets of Belgrade was reminiscent of the Milosevic era and his brutal crackdown against the province's ethnic Albanian rebels, which triggered NATO's bombing of Serbia in 1999.

Some Belgrade analysts said the nationalists were seeking to fuel anti-Western anger in order to sideline pro-European Union reformists led by the President Boris Tadic.

Tadic's and Kostunica's parties are united in a coalition government that has ruled Serbia since mid-2007.

But the two differ sharply on how to handle Kosovo's independence, with Tadic saying Belgrade must press on with efforts to join the EU regardless of Kosovo, and Kostunica seeking to drop the bid because most EU countries plan to recognize the province's independence.

In a statement Friday, Kostunica appealed for the end of violence.

"This directly damages our ... national interests. All those who support the fake state of Kosovo are rejoicing at the sight of violence in Belgrade," he said, but made no mention of the damaged embassies.

Police said that in addition to the U.S. and Croatian embassies, the missions of Turkey, Bosnia, Belgium and Canada were also targeted.

Defense Minister Dragan Sutanovac of Tadic's EU-oriented Democratic Party said rioters were energized by the backing of some nationalist politicians for smaller attacks earlier in the week against Western embassies and commercial interests.

The pro-Western Liberal Democratic Party leader, Cedomir Jovanovic, warned the rioting was a prelude for a crackdown against government critics and pro-Western liberals.

"An atmosphere of lynch has been created," added political analyst Ljubodrag Stojadinovic.

Belgrade's medical emergency center said some 150 people — one third of them policemen — had been treated mostly for light injuries sustained during the night. There were more than 100 arrests, police said.

On Friday, a McDonald's restaurant in the city center was still smoldering from the fire that torched much of the interior. Shops put up plastic sheeting and glass panels to cover their smashed front windows. Several sports goods stores and other shops had been cleaned out by looters leaving display windows completely bare.

Kosovo, which is 90 percent ethnic Albanian, has not been under Belgrade's control since 1999, when NATO launched airstrikes to halt a Serbian crackdown on ethnic Albanian separatists. A U.N. mission has governed Kosovo since.
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Looks like there has been a little ethnic cleansing in Kosovo after the U.S. invasion: from 65-35 to 90-10. ;)

Some health nuts might consider setting McDonalds on fire to be a service for mankind.

How long do you believe Kosovo will remain an independent state before they become part of greater Albania?

VinVega
02-22-08, 09:01 AM
Saw this on the news last night. More fun in the Balkans. :(

Ky-Fi
02-22-08, 05:07 PM
I'm not too keen on the US position on this one. A couple quotes from Thomas Landen:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2994


As C-man said:


"Contrary to what George Bush thinks, the Kosovo Albanians do not regard themselves as constituting a Kosovar “nation.” Their nation is Albania, their national hero is Skanderbeg, their flag is the black double-headed eagle. What they long for is unification with their Albanian compatriots in their motherland Albania. The Kosovo Albanians aim for a greater Albania, not for a new “nation of Kosovo” that has never existed in history."


"......In the 1990s, however, America’s Clinton administration and the European Union (EU) intervened in the Kosovo civil war. The Western leaders aimed for the establishment of a multicultural (Christian and Muslim), multi-ethnic (Albanian and Serb) artificial state of Kosovo – a “Kosovar nation” not based on a genuine nation, but on the idealist, postmodern utopias of Western liberalism. They wanted to create another Belgium, a state without national loyalty, without an identity, without a sense of nationhood. The postmodernists reckon that if people have no identity they will stop fighting each other, because there is no flag worth dying for. In order to achieve this chimera, the American and EU armies allied themselves in the Kosovo civil war with the Kosovo Liberation Army, an Albanian Muslim militia trained by al-Qa’eda.

It is no wonder that Belgium, this multinational artificial bogus state that serves as the EU’s model in its attempts to transform the whole of Europe into a multicultural, multinational superstate, was one of the very first to recognize the independence of Kosovo. So did the governing elites of France and Germany, the cheerleaders of the EU project, and the liberal elites that rule Britain and America and that do not believe in national identities either....."

"America, however, should fear other consequences, too. The Kosovo Albanians claimed Kosovo for two reasons: (a) because long, very long ago, before the province was Serbian, it used to be theirs and (b) because today they have become a majority in the province. America granted them their wish and forced Serbia out.

What if tomorrow Hispanics in California (or Texas) push for the independence of Southern California (or Southern Texas), arguing (a) that a long time ago, before these provinces became Anglo-American, they were Mexican and (b) that Hispanics have now become a majority there? Applying the Kosovo logic of Bill Clinton and George Bush, Washington should then be forced out of Southern California by an international army of European, Russian and Chinese troops who would establish an independent “nation” there. All this would be done in violation of the international rule that international borders can only be changed with the agreement of all parties. This is how Washington is treating Serbia today. If one day Washington were to be treated in a similar fashion it would only be getting its due.

Ranger
02-22-08, 05:54 PM
I don't think Kosovo has anything to gain from this, and more importantly, I don't think we have anything to gain by supporting them.

eXcentris
02-22-08, 08:18 PM
"...What they long for is unification with their Albanian compatriots in their motherland Albania. The Kosovo Albanians aim for a greater Albania, not for a new “nation of Kosovo” that has never existed in history."
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"They" being a whooping 2.5% (of Kosovars who believe that unification with Albania is the best solution for Kosovo) according to a survey carried out by UNDP in March 2007. A lot of Kosovars ended up as refugees in Albania during the war. It was a sobering experience that undid much of Enver Hoxha's propaganda (i.e. the promise of a golden future for Kosovars in a "Greater Albania").

Now from what I gather from the above article, I can only assume the Mr. Landen is too busy with his role as watchdog of evil liberalism/multiculturalism in Europe to consider such matters. :)

Giantrobo
02-23-08, 05:22 AM
Who knew the UN had it in 'em.

classicman2
02-23-08, 07:48 AM
"They" being a whooping 2.5% (of Kosovars who believe that unification with Albania is the best solution for Kosovo) according to a survey carried out by UNDP in March 2007. A lot of Kosovars ended up as refugees in Albania during the war. It was a sobering experience that undid much of Enver Hoxha's propaganda (i.e. the promise of a golden future for Kosovars in a "Greater Albania").

Now from what I gather from the above article, I can only assume the Mr. Landen is too busy with his role as watchdog of evil liberalism/multiculturalism in Europe to consider such matters. :)

Apparently a large number of Serbians ended up as 'refugees' in Serbia proper since the % of Serbs in Kosovo immediately prior to the civil war was 35% of the total population.

Tuan Jim
02-23-08, 09:32 AM
Apparently a large number of Serbians ended up as 'refugees' in Serbia proper since the % of Serbs in Kosovo immediately prior to the civil war was 35% of the total population.

This what you mean?

http://chromatism.net/current/images/mapkosovo.gif

huzefa
02-23-08, 03:08 PM
The Serbs really know how to make their point heard; maybe if they burn down a few more embassies, they can take back Kosovo entirely.

Pharoh
02-23-08, 04:07 PM
I'm not too keen on the US position on this one. A couple quotes from Thomas Landen:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2994


As C-man said:


"Contrary to what George Bush thinks, the Kosovo Albanians do not regard themselves as constituting a Kosovar “nation.” Their nation is Albania, their national hero is Skanderbeg, their flag is the black double-headed eagle. What they long for is unification with their Albanian compatriots in their motherland Albania. The Kosovo Albanians aim for a greater Albania, not for a new “nation of Kosovo” that has never existed in history."


"......In the 1990s, however, America’s Clinton administration and the European Union (EU) intervened in the Kosovo civil war. The Western leaders aimed for the establishment of a multicultural (Christian and Muslim), multi-ethnic (Albanian and Serb) artificial state of Kosovo – a “Kosovar nation” not based on a genuine nation, but on the idealist, postmodern utopias of Western liberalism. They wanted to create another Belgium, a state without national loyalty, without an identity, without a sense of nationhood. The postmodernists reckon that if people have no identity they will stop fighting each other, because there is no flag worth dying for. In order to achieve this chimera, the American and EU armies allied themselves in the Kosovo civil war with the Kosovo Liberation Army, an Albanian Muslim militia trained by al-Qa’eda.

It is no wonder that Belgium, this multinational artificial bogus state that serves as the EU’s model in its attempts to transform the whole of Europe into a multicultural, multinational superstate, was one of the very first to recognize the independence of Kosovo. So did the governing elites of France and Germany, the cheerleaders of the EU project, and the liberal elites that rule Britain and America and that do not believe in national identities either....."

"America, however, should fear other consequences, too. The Kosovo Albanians claimed Kosovo for two reasons: (a) because long, very long ago, before the province was Serbian, it used to be theirs and (b) because today they have become a majority in the province. America granted them their wish and forced Serbia out.

What if tomorrow Hispanics in California (or Texas) push for the independence of Southern California (or Southern Texas), arguing (a) that a long time ago, before these provinces became Anglo-American, they were Mexican and (b) that Hispanics have now become a majority there? Applying the Kosovo logic of Bill Clinton and George Bush, Washington should then be forced out of Southern California by an international army of European, Russian and Chinese troops who would establish an independent “nation” there. All this would be done in violation of the international rule that international borders can only be changed with the agreement of all parties. This is how Washington is treating Serbia today. If one day Washington were to be treated in a similar fashion it would only be getting its due.



There are just a couple of differences between the situation in Kosovo and in California/America that the author conveniently left out though, don't you think?

Ky-Fi
02-23-08, 04:13 PM
There are just a couple of differences between the situation in Kosovo and in California/America that the author conveniently left out though, don't you think?


I don't claim to be an expert on the Kosovo situation. Do tell.....

eXcentris
02-23-08, 04:19 PM
Apparently a large number of Serbians ended up as 'refugees' in Serbia proper since the % of Serbs in Kosovo immediately prior to the civil war was 35% of the total population.

This shows the pre-civil war percentages to be 81.6 and 11.1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Demographic-history-of-Kosovo-in-20th-century.png


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