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grundle
08-14-07, 11:46 AM
On last Friday's new episode, he was in the Kalahari desert. They gave him 20 liters of water, which was enough for 4 days. But he's there for 7 days. And it's 140 degrees Fahrenheit.

So after he drank the last of his water, he dug a hole in the sand, peed in it, put a plastic container on the sand, put some plastic wrap above the container, and put a little sand on the middle of the plastic wrap to create a depression. The water evaporated, condensed on the plastic wrap, and dripped down into the container. It was pure, distilled water, and he drank it.

But the amount of water wasn't enough, and he was literally dying from dehydration, so he ended up quitting early.

He made two errors here:

1) He peed into the sand, which meant that the vast majority of his urine was absorbed into the ground. If he had peed into a bucket instead (they had given him two buckets, and several jars, cans, and plastic containers) he would have gotten a lot more water.

2) He didn't start collecting his urine until after he had finished drinking all 20 liters of water. If he had started collecting his urine from the very beginning, he would have had more than enough water for the entire 7 days.

However, I do give him credit for pointing out that you shouldn't drink urine, because it's toxic.

Toad
08-14-07, 11:48 AM
Ewwwwwwww!

These shows are great. I like Bear Grylls so much better (his presentation at least), but apparently he's questionable. :(

Pointyskull
08-14-07, 11:59 AM
I just got hooked on this show over the weekend when I caught an airing of the Canadian Boreal forest ep.

I like!

grenier
08-14-07, 12:19 PM
I just find him too low key and boring. I get it, you hate to kill animals, you don't need to say it everytime you do it.

Deftones
08-14-07, 12:41 PM
Quit early?

He made it to day seven, and started hiking out to the rescue camp. How is that quitting early?

RandyC
08-14-07, 02:01 PM
I just find him too low key and boring. I get it, you hate to kill animals, you don't need to say it everytime you do it.

I think he does that as a preventative measure from the animal rights activists.

He made it to day seven, and started hiking out to the rescue camp. How is that quitting early?

He did say something about having to quit early. Shrug.

I do like the show better because he films himself and so it also seems less staged than the other one.

DeputyDave
08-14-07, 02:08 PM
Quit early?

He made it to day seven, and started hiking out to the rescue camp. How is that quitting early?I thought for sure he quit a day early as well.

kvrdave
08-14-07, 02:35 PM
urine is toxic? I thought it was sterile. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_urine#Sterility

stevevt
08-14-07, 03:53 PM
urine is toxic? I thought it was sterile. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_urine#Sterility

Urine is sterile? I thought it has what plants crave. I thought it has electrolytes.

starman9000
08-14-07, 03:55 PM
Urine is sterile? I thought it has what plants crave. I thought it has electrolytes.


I feel shame for getting that

MrX
08-14-07, 04:15 PM
I just find him too low key and boring
You forgot whiney

Toad
08-14-07, 04:17 PM
I think he does that as a preventative measure from the animal rights activists.



He did say something about having to quit early. Shrug.

I do like the show better because he films himself and so it also seems less staged than the other one.
I think it's more staged. He has to set up the camera, make sure he's framed himself properly, walk out and talk to it, then walk away. Then he has to come back to the camera, turn it off, pick it up, and walk away again.

Sorta silly.

boredsilly
08-14-07, 04:45 PM
I think it's more staged. He has to set up the camera, make sure he's framed himself properly, walk out and talk to it, then walk away. Then he has to come back to the camera, turn it off, pick it up, and walk away again.

Sorta silly.

It is a little silly, but I like that he acknowledges it sometimes. Saying that he's too tired to come back and get the camera and the crew will have to do it and such. He makes no bones about this being a tv show and all.

skatefan20
08-14-07, 04:57 PM
New fan here and just started catching up on some of the repeats on The Science Channel in the past week or two. I admit that despite the constant reairings of the Discovery shows, it took reading upon the Bear Grylls controversy (and the Man vs Wild vs Survivorman whining) to make me curious & find out what this particular wilderness program was about.

I have to agree with Grundle that Les should have started the urine collection and distillation early on - a few mere couple drops was about all he had from that process on the 6th(?) day. And eating that slab of jelly was just plain stupid! Still, the "Kalahari" episode was entertaining. At least the editors made Les look like he didn't bitch as much about dragging the cameras around compared to the earlier episodes, especially in that heat. He did make it to the seventh day, but no way did he start that trek towards the camp (which was "a few hours away") like he made it out to be at the end.

Wish the new episodes would premiere earlier in the week, or even take the Mythbusters slot on Wednesdays -- though I've learnt that they've supposedly started airing NEW episodes now.

RandyC
08-14-07, 05:51 PM
I think it's more staged. He has to set up the camera, make sure he's framed himself properly, walk out and talk to it, then walk away. Then he has to come back to the camera, turn it off, pick it up, and walk away again.

Sorta silly.

I didn't mean staged in setting up the shot, that has to happen since it is a show. In that way, both shows are the same. The staged part is more in pretending that this is not the case with Bear. Survivorman, the camera work is part of the show.

I meant in terms of Bear putting himself into silly situations, just to get out of them and with some of the camera work, it looks like it is made to seem more dire or scary with Bear. You can see with Bear, that the camera man must be in the water with him, or falling down the cliff beside him. Ohhh.. scary.


I am always aware that some other person holding the camera (and probably boom mic) is standing 10 feet away with Bear...or doing what he is doing.

Seems more real to be on one's own.

dpz301
08-14-07, 09:53 PM
bear drank his own urine for a day or so, so it is clearly sterile for a certain amount of time. he said you have to drink it pretty soon after you go because otherwise the bacteria starts to grow.

LivingINClip
08-15-07, 10:48 AM
My biggest problem with this show is Les will come up with something like, acting like he has a broken arm - but then, he abandons the idea half way through the week. He rarely sticks with the original plan and the show just becomes the same ole- same ole. If he is going to do something, don't back out of it.

grundle
08-15-07, 10:48 AM
Quit early?

He made it to day seven, and started hiking out to the rescue camp. How is that quitting early?

I thought he didn't finish the seventh day. Maybe I was wrong.

grundle
08-15-07, 10:52 AM
urine is toxic? I thought it was sterile. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_urine#Sterility


It is sterile.

But is has salt, nitrogen, urea, and other wastes. And your body has to use water to process those things. Drinking urine is like drinking ocean water.

Toad
08-15-07, 10:56 AM
I didn't mean staged in setting up the shot, that has to happen since it is a show. In that way, both shows are the same. The staged part is more in pretending that this is not the case with Bear. Survivorman, the camera work is part of the show.

I meant in terms of Bear putting himself into silly situations, just to get out of them and with some of the camera work, it looks like it is made to seem more dire or scary with Bear. You can see with Bear, that the camera man must be in the water with him, or falling down the cliff beside him. Ohhh.. scary.


I am always aware that some other person holding the camera (and probably boom mic) is standing 10 feet away with Bear...or doing what he is doing.

Seems more real to be on one's own.

I guess I liked Bear because the show was more of a "if you get screwed, here's what you do" show. Survivorman is more of a "I'm going to test my limits" show. Both are good.

starman9000
08-15-07, 11:13 AM
I guess I liked Bear because the show was more of a "if you get screwed, here's what you do" show.


Bear's show is definately entertaining, but in more of a "if you get screwed, and want to go out in style" way.

RandyC
08-16-07, 09:15 PM
I didn't mean staged in setting up the shot, that has to happen since it is a show. In that way, both shows are the same. The staged part is more in pretending that this is not the case with Bear. Survivorman, the camera work is part of the show.

I meant in terms of Bear putting himself into silly situations, just to get out of them and with some of the camera work, it looks like it is made to seem more dire or scary with Bear. You can see with Bear, that the camera man must be in the water with him, or falling down the cliff beside him. Ohhh.. scary.


I am always aware that some other person holding the camera (and probably boom mic) is standing 10 feet away with Bear...or doing what he is doing.

Seems more real to be on one's own.

http://www.daughtersoftiresias.org/bearwiki/Special:Allpages

I rest my case. Sadly.

jaelliot
08-17-07, 11:22 PM
http://www.daughtersoftiresias.org/bearwiki/Special:Allpages

I rest my case. Sadly.

You know after looking at that page my opinion of Bear's show went from bad to worse. His fictional survival advice is downright negligent. If someone were to watch his show and apply his survival techniques and died I think he would be at fault. Les Stroud may be a bit more boring but his show is far more informative. I am surprised by the amount of people that even compare the two shows after the facts have come out and still like his show better. I think I will start a survival show, after all I did receive the wilderness survival merit badge in Scouting as a kid. But instead of giving sound survival advice I am just going to make things up that are more entertaining. When hiking in bear country rub jelly all over your body to mask your human scent that bears are so obviously attracted to. ;)

grundle
08-18-07, 10:12 PM
On last Friday's new episode, he was in the Kalahari desert.

he ended up quitting early.



I watched it again. I was wrong. He did not leave early.

The Dude
08-18-07, 10:17 PM
Normally, in these episodes, he walks out to find civilization on his own; in this one, he walks to the safety camp instead. So, he did make it the seven days, but he did "quit" a little early...

grenier
08-18-07, 11:16 PM
I am surprised by the amount of people that even compare the two shows after the facts have come out and still like his show better.

I still like Bear's presentation more then Les' regardless of the facts. Bear, to me, is a more likeable person, someone you'd hang out with and have a beer.

Les just seems weird, plus he plays a harmonica.

grundle
08-24-07, 02:09 PM
The preview for tonight's new Survivorman shows him with a team of sled dogs. I sure hope he doesn't eat any of them!

Toad
08-24-07, 02:38 PM
http://www.daughtersoftiresias.org/bearwiki/Special:Allpages

I rest my case. Sadly.
You rest your case on a collection of Wikipedia articles?

CPA-ESQ.
08-24-07, 04:00 PM
I like Survivor man much better... I agree with the others on Bear who say that if you know the camera man made it across the "impassable" ravine, then it can't be all that dangerous..

SmackDaddy
08-24-07, 04:54 PM
All I know is that I've garnered a lot more useful information on basic survival skills from Survivorman than Man vs Wild.

But, I guess If I'm ever out in the wilderness with a camera crew I'll know how to make a jack-ass out of myself! :D

Bill Needle
08-24-07, 11:09 PM
You rest your case on a collection of Wikipedia articles?
Not only that, but half the rebuttals amount to "Is not!" or "My way is better" arguments. Many others are flat out factually wrong. I found it pretty worthless overall.

DeputyDave
08-25-07, 04:32 AM
Tonights was the second week in a row that survivior man abandoned his own shelter for the comfort of pre-exisitng ones. I was a bit dissapointed when he ate the dog's food as well, after saying several times how he would never do it. At least he was honest enough to show it.

He just tends to gve up a bit too often.

Deftones
08-25-07, 11:11 AM
He just tends to gve up a bit too often.

This season. I don't remember at all any time in the previous one where he gave up.

Bill Needle
08-25-07, 05:24 PM
To this point I think he has quit early (or been forced to quit early) each episode this season. It doesn't really bother me, but it is curious.

LivingINClip
08-25-07, 08:11 PM
Yeah, my biggest problem is he sets himself a goal, but abandons it sometime during the course of the episode. That is the biggest problem, I think.

grundle
08-25-07, 09:32 PM
He didn't eat the dogs.

DeputyDave
08-25-07, 11:02 PM
He didn't eat the dogs.That's because he had to leave early.

I can just see day six: "I'm a vegetarian and I don't normally like to do this, But in a suvival situation..." Lee says as he chambers a round.

kvrdave
08-31-07, 01:16 PM
I've been doing my best to like this, but he really needs a camera crew.


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