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Charlie Goose
08-02-07, 09:31 AM
Now it seems like they're just reaching for stuff to catch people screwing around.

They left bags with brand new Ipods around, and filmed people picking them up and walking away. Then, they traced these people when they registered online and confronted them with the video. Chris Hansen was just as self-righteous as when he's talking to the perverts.

Next week: TO CATCH A JAYWALKER!

jonw9
08-02-07, 09:59 AM
I saw part of this. They keep talking about how the ipod was "lifted", but really they left an unopened ipod in public. Bags in parking lots, and shopping malls.

I mean, yes it is stealing, but isn't partially the fault of whomever left it behind? If I left my sunglasses on a park bench and came back to find them missing, I wouldn't say "Somebody stole my glasses!" I would think that I was a dumbass and left them behind. It is not like these kids were breaking into cars, taking them from store shelves, or ripping them off a jogger.

You could have repeated the process with a DVD, a pair of shoes, or probably even a box of gummi bears.

Then they go to the Apple Store: "Do you help reunite people with their lost ipods?" Yeah right! :rolleyes:

Dignam
08-02-07, 10:06 AM
Now it seems like they're just reaching for stuff to catch people screwing around.

They left bags with brand new Ipods around, and filmed people picking them up and walking away. Then, they traced these people when they registered online and confronted them with the video. Chris Hansen was just as self-righteous as when he's talking to the perverts.

Next week: TO CATCH A JAYWALKER!
I caught a few minutes of this, and I thought it was genius. Without the IM conversations, they can catch twice as many people. They don't need Perverted Justice! All they have to do is leave a plain looking 20 year old pretending to be a hot little 14 year old in a bag. If someone picks it up, Chris Hansen has something to tell them.

Mopower
08-02-07, 10:25 AM
They should have engraved someones name and address on the back of the ipod and see how many people give it back. Only bust the ones that didn't. Tracking them down because they found a new ipod in a box is dumb.

matta
08-02-07, 11:07 AM
I was waiting for "...and how old was the iPOD that you stole?"

tcoursen
08-02-07, 11:12 AM
I watched the first part of it. But what they were doing didn't make much sense. They were buying Ipods. Then they were replacing the original software disk with a disk of their own. So when you tried to register it you were actually connecting to them to give them your info. Well, duh, you should be able to catch people if you are doing it that way.

To me doing that didn't prove a damn thing.

TheMovieman
08-02-07, 11:18 AM
^ Yeah, it didn't make much sense. What about used iPods? Don't know about anyone else but I don't carry around the installation disc; of course, mine didn't even come with one in the first place... :p

jonw9
08-02-07, 12:05 PM
^ Yeah, it didn't make much sense. What about used iPods? Don't know about anyone else but I don't carry around the installation disc; of course, mine didn't even come with one in the first place... :p


Have a seat....
http://www.itsevansville.com/img/attachments/justin_williams/hansen_chris_2005_sm.jpg

firteen88
08-02-07, 12:31 PM
If i find a $100 bill on the floor and noone was around, i'm gonna take it. If I find an ipod left by someone, and I wait around a few minutes (which some of the "theives" did) and noone comes for it, I'm gonna take it. I'm not a theif. This show was a huge stretch. stick to cathing baby rapers nbc.

Groucho
08-02-07, 12:33 PM
If i find a $100 bill on the floor and noone was around, i'm gonna take it. If I find an ipod left by someone, and I wait around a few minutes (which some of the "theives" did) and noone comes for it, I'm gonna take it.By definiation, this is stealing. The ethical thing to do is turn these things in when you find them. (Moreso the ipod than the cash).I'm not a theif.Agreed, you're not a "theif". You are a thief, however, if you would keep an iPod somebody left around.

DVD Josh
08-02-07, 12:42 PM
A few years ago this woman dropped her iPod as she was leaving the PO. I literally ran after her saying "Miss, your Ipod!!" and waiving it around. She RAN, (I mean, booked) to get away from me like I was crazy or something. I wasn't about to give chase, so I went back to the PO and gave them my card and told them to have her call me if she came back. I checked in with them every week for about 3 months before deciding to put it up on eBay.

You might ask why I didn't just give to the PO people. That answer is simple, as they told me directly, they would have kept it for themselves.

I don't consider myself a thief. I would have gladly returned the iPod to her even after she ran from me in terror. I held onto it for 3 months before doing anything with it, and checked back with the PO weekly. At that point, I have to figure that it's mine baby.

slappypete
08-02-07, 12:48 PM
I wasn't surprised that so many people ended up stealing it, as was mentioned in a previous post, I think they could have left anything of value laying around and done the same show. I got the feeling that they ended up having to sit around for a long time to get so much tape. When they were in Las Vegas it looked like they set the bag on top of a trash can in one instance and right next to a trash can in another. I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't getting enough footage of people stealing the iPod so they decided to increase the odds a little.

Mopower
08-02-07, 12:49 PM
I didn't see the show but where was the ipod left? If it was on a park bench or something where are you suppose to turn it in at?

Quatermass
08-02-07, 12:59 PM
A few years ago this woman dropped her iPod as she was leaving the PO. I literally ran after her saying "Miss, your Ipod!!" and waiving it around. She RAN, (I mean, booked) to get away from me like I was crazy or something.

Of course, you forgot to mention you were wearing only cowboy boots and a Speedo at the time.

BlackMontels
08-02-07, 01:01 PM
I watched the first part of it. But what they were doing didn't make much sense. They were buying Ipods. Then they were replacing the original software disk with a disk of their own. So when you tried to register it you were actually connecting to them to give them your info. Well, duh, you should be able to catch people if you are doing it that way.

To me doing that didn't prove a damn thing.

What they were trying to prove is that Apple could track down stolen Ipods if they wanted to. The software Apple distributes with Ipods asks for the same information as the Dateline disk. They werent able to get Apple to cooperate and let them use their database, so they had to make their own.

slappypete
08-02-07, 01:04 PM
A few years ago this woman dropped her iPod as she was leaving the PO. I literally ran after her saying "Miss, your Ipod!!" and waiving it around. She RAN, (I mean, booked) to get away from me like I was crazy or something. I wasn't about to give chase, so I went back to the PO and gave them my card and told them to have her call me if she came back. I checked in with them every week for about 3 months before deciding to put it up on eBay.


She probably stole it from somebody else in the post office.

TheMovieman
08-02-07, 01:06 PM
Have a seat....
http://www.itsevansville.com/img/attachments/justin_williams/hansen_chris_2005_sm.jpg

lol. I actually BOUGHT mine at Best Buy (yeah, heard that one before).

Kind of off-topic, do they come with installation CDs anymore because I had to download iTunes and the software...

Charlie Goose
08-02-07, 01:09 PM
I didn't see the show but where was the ipod left? If it was on a park bench or something where are you suppose to turn it in at?
Benches inside malls, food courts, on top of parked cars, on the Vegas strip.

They also left one on the dashboard of a convertible in front of a high school. :lol:

And you're right, unless it was inside the mall, where would you turn it in? Heck, in your local shopping mall, do you even know where the lost & found or the main office is? I sure don't.

jonw9
08-02-07, 01:25 PM
And you're right, unless it was inside the mall, where would you turn it in? Heck, in your local shopping mall, do you even know where the lost & found or the main office is? I sure don't.

And like above, would you actually trust the minimum wage "customer service" people at the mall to keep it behind the counter until somebody came for it? You could ask for a receipt, but that still won't ensure anything.

What if somebody came back and asked for it?
Loser: "I lost my ipod"
Mall employee: "Can you describe it?"

DVD Josh
08-02-07, 01:38 PM
She probably stole it from somebody else in the post office.

I actually saw it fall out of her bag.

tcoursen
08-02-07, 01:42 PM
What they were trying to prove is that Apple could track down stolen Ipods if they wanted to. The software Apple distributes with Ipods asks for the same information as the Dateline disk. They werent able to get Apple to cooperate and let them use their database, so they had to make their own.

Why is it apples job to help you track down your stolen ipod?

And these ipods were stolen BEFORE they were ever registered to the legit owner. How would that help apple track it down? If I stole your ipod before you ever got it home and registered it how would apple know it was YOUR ipod?

If you don't plan to use iTunes do you even need to ever register it and have it connect on the net? I don't have an ipod but if I did I would probbably not buy songs from iTunes. I already have a lot of my CD's in mp3 format so all I would want to do is transfter them to the ipod. Do you need to register to do that?

jonw9
08-02-07, 02:07 PM
If you don't plan to use iTunes do you even need to ever register it and have it connect on the net? I don't have an ipod but if I did I would probbably not buy songs from iTunes. I already have a lot of my CD's in mp3 format so all I would want to do is transfter them to the ipod. Do you need to register to do that?

Which is why they were only able to track down 12 of the 20 ipods.

dsa_shea
08-02-07, 02:38 PM
Goes to show you how many people out there are willing to take stuff that they know they really have no right to. and the number of people that would rather do this than work to earn stuff for themselves. It also shows you how big of a theft problem the Ipod has become whether it is a brand new one or a used one with lots of personal stuff on it.

adamblast
08-02-07, 02:42 PM
...or, it goes to show you how far these shows are willing to go with staging and manipulating people and actually *creating* phony crimes, all for the sake of so-called entertainment.

Save Ferris
08-02-07, 03:00 PM
A website tested peoples honesty this way

They got people on hidden cameras finding the 'bait wallet'

...Each of the 100 wallets contained $2.10 in real money, a fake $50.00 gift certificate, some miscellaneous items and a clearly written ID card identifying the lost wallet's rightful owner. We were curious as to how honest people would be and wanted to see how different groups would compare to each other. For example, who would return the wallets more often... men or women? Young or old?

http://www.wallettest.com/

fujishig
08-02-07, 03:21 PM
Goes to show you how many people out there are willing to take stuff that they know they really have no right to. and the number of people that would rather do this than work to earn stuff for themselves. It also shows you how big of a theft problem the Ipod has become whether it is a brand new one or a used one with lots of personal stuff on it.

So if there's a 20 dollar bill on the ground, or even a penny, you wouldn't help yourself to it?

The way this seems to be setup, was there even a way for these people to track down the "original owners" of the new ipod?

A better test of people's honesty would be something like putting an item in the open in an obviously unlocked car, or leaving the bag at a foodcourt, with the owner getting up only to order some food.

Tommy_Harn
08-02-07, 04:18 PM
Well, I found my iPod (it was used) on the streets of Prague, just lying on the ground. Had there been a hidden camera around, it would have recorded me asking around for a good 1/2 hour or so. They probably would have edited that part out.

Good thing the Czech Republic doesn't have a Chris Hansen. It could have gotten ugly.

Jimmy James
08-02-07, 04:31 PM
I didn't see the show.

What concerns me here is less the crime that these people may have committed by not turning in the property to the appropriate authorities and more that NBC is at least arguably fraudulently inducing people to install malware on their computer systems. Are they next going to send people a fraudulent version of Quicken and Turbotax so they can steal their financial data to see if they're committing income tax evasion?

Oh, also, if NBC thinks it's so simple to reunite people with their lost property, why the hell don't they do that simple public service themselves? If they'll swear they will make their very most to reunite me with my electronics, I'll give them the serial numbers of my iPod, digital camera, notebook computer, desktop computer, DVD player, and even karaoke machine.

Dignam
08-02-07, 07:41 PM
A few years ago this woman was leaving the PO. I literally ran after her and she RAN, (I mean, booked) to get away from me like I was crazy or something. I went back to the PO and she came back. I would have her even after she ran from me in terror. I held onto it for 3 months before doing anything with it. At that point, I have to figure that it's mine baby.
Chris Hansen has something to tell you. -ohbfrank-

calhoun07
08-02-07, 08:08 PM
If I see a grocery cart in the lot and there is something left behind in the cart I want, and it's been left behind, I am taking it. If Chris Hansen showed up to confront me about it I would NOT be nice.

Finder's keepers, loser's weepers. I take it Chris Hansen had a rough childhood.

That and he probably is molesting children in his spare time as well.

calhoun07
08-02-07, 08:14 PM
A website tested peoples honesty this way

They got people on hidden cameras finding the 'bait wallet'

...Each of the 100 wallets contained $2.10 in real money, a fake $50.00 gift certificate, some miscellaneous items and a clearly written ID card identifying the lost wallet's rightful owner. We were curious as to how honest people would be and wanted to see how different groups would compare to each other. For example, who would return the wallets more often... men or women? Young or old?

http://www.wallettest.com/

I think it's totally different if you find something that you can trace the owner. I've found wallets and credit cards and check books in the past and NEVER once thought of taking anything from them or using the credit card or the check book.

But damn skippy if I find a random $100 bill on the street or a 2 gallon bottle of Tide on the bottom of a shopping cart left in the parking lot or an Ipod laying in the middle of some busy mall I am taking it. No questions asked, no guilt. I didn't steal it, I found it!

And, yes, I did find those wallets and such...but those were things I could locate the original owner of them and it was all good. If I could locate the original owner of those other items, I would likewise return them.

I'd be interested to see a wallet test where there was NO identification in the wallet at all..how many people would keep the cash then?

calhoun07
08-02-07, 08:20 PM
Goes to show you how many people out there are willing to take stuff that they know they really have no right to. and the number of people that would rather do this than work to earn stuff for themselves. It also shows you how big of a theft problem the Ipod has become whether it is a brand new one or a used one with lots of personal stuff on it.

You really think there are a good number of people who don't work and make a LIVING off of finding random stuff laying around????

REALLY????????

I guess it might be possible, but I can't imagine it.

They might make a "living" intentionally seeking out victims to steal stuff from, but not working to walk around all day to find money abandoned on the floor and other products just discarded and lost?

REALLY?????????

Jimmy James
08-02-07, 08:21 PM
In the wallet example, I wouldn't feel bad about taking the $2.10 as compensation for postage and packaging, assuming that cost $2.10 or more. I'd only want actual cost, and I'd note my use of the funds in that way.

If the person were in the same town and I didn't have to mail it to them, I'd leave it as is.

ETA: It really annoys me that would be considered "dishonest" if I'm reading the results of the site right. I'm happy to return your property, but I'm not footing the bill to do so when I know you have the money to cover it.

Ronnie Dobbs
08-03-07, 01:58 AM
I found a money clip by the subway ticket machine with sixty bucks in it and had no idea what to do. So I bought my Dad lunch.

dsa_shea
08-03-07, 11:15 AM
You really think there are a good number of people who don't work and make a LIVING off of finding random stuff laying around????

REALLY????????

I guess it might be possible, but I can't imagine it.

They might make a "living" intentionally seeking out victims to steal stuff from, but not working to walk around all day to find money abandoned on the floor and other products just discarded and lost?

REALLY?????????

The problem is that there are too many people in this world willing to "make a living" off of taking other peoples stuff whether it be robbery, burglary, using stolen credit card numbers or picking up a bag/item that simply doesn't belong to them. The funny thing is that instead of realizing that it is still wrong people justify these actions and say that it is okay because of this or that. Don't put the blame on Dateline for people "falling for the trap". Ipods get stolen at school quite often and if a show like this can make headway on it being alot easier to track one down it would be one less huge problem we would have.

paulringodaman
08-03-07, 11:23 AM
the stupidest show. as someone said, if i leave my ipod on a bench, leave and return to find it missing, i am not gonna say "someone stole my ipod"...I will say "I lost it." Although I would have returned it, I cannot blame people for taking it. The real show would have been someone on a cell phone not looking at their ipod which is sitting unattended seeing if anyone snagged it from them. That is a thief.

wmansir
08-03-07, 11:52 AM
I thought of that site too, Save Ferris. I heard the guy who did it interviewed on the Keith and the Girl podcast. He said he had several media outlets interested in doing stories on his experiment but they all become disinterested when they find he broke it down by race in addition to age and gender.

islandclaws
08-03-07, 12:00 PM
I watched this on my DVR last night. I can't believe they actually called it "To Catch an I-jacker". Give me a break. Hansen is really milking this shit. NBC seems perfectly content to practically entrap people by sticking an ipod up their ass and being surprised they keep it. Granted, some situations were obviously stealing, like taking it off someone's dashboard. But if it's sitting on top of a TRASH CAN in Vegas? I'd take the fucking thing. Who the hell would I give it to? The local lost and found? A $7.50/hr security guard? And to make it even lamer, most of the people he talked to didn't even take it. Someone took it for them so now we've got interviews with people that are clueless and are now linked to a thief on national tv.

Stick to pedophiles, Chris.

calhoun07
08-03-07, 06:39 PM
The problem is that there are too many people in this world willing to "make a living" off of taking other peoples stuff whether it be robbery, burglary, using stolen credit card numbers or picking up a bag/item that simply doesn't belong to them.

I understand that but to lump somebody in with that group because they keep a lost Ipod is really taking things a tad too far in my book.

RKillgore
08-03-07, 11:51 PM
A few years ago this woman dropped her iPod as she was leaving the PO. I literally ran after her saying "Miss, your Ipod!!" and waiving it around. She RAN, (I mean, booked) to get away from me like I was crazy or something.
Maybe she just saw Invasion of the Body Snatchers.


http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2001/31/images/filmfest-InvasionBodySnatch.jpg
You're a POD!

gameover2k2
08-04-07, 12:20 PM
A friend of mine found a beat-up 80GB ipod inside the clearance bin $4.99 game at CC. The surface scatch to hell, but he check on the content, which has tons of music/movie in there. So he took the ipod home and order the new faceplate or whatever it's call.. look like new.. i kept teasing him that the cop will go after him or something. Well.. I guess.. some kid drop the ipod from his shirt pocket into the bin or whatever.. haha.. the NBC show sound stupid though

Heat
08-04-07, 03:08 PM
...You might ask why I didn't just give to the PO people. That answer is simple, as they told me directly, they would have kept it for themselves....
I once found a case of soda under a grocery cart in a store parking lot, I turned it back in to the service desk. I asked if I could come back tomorrow and if it hadn't been claimed, take it. They said no, anything turned in that is unclaimed goes back on the shelf.

That was the last time I've turned in anything I've found in a shopping cart in a parking lot.

Timber
08-04-07, 03:36 PM
I once found a case of soda under a grocery cart in a store parking lot, I turned it back in to the service desk. I asked if I could come back tomorrow and if it hadn't been claimed, take it. They said no, anything turned in that is unclaimed goes back on the shelf.

That was the last time I've turned in anything I've found in a shopping cart in a parking lot.


Found a case of soda just like that a couple of months ago. Free soda for me, made my day.

Jimmy James
08-04-07, 03:42 PM
The last time I saw anything abandoned under a cart in a grocery store, it was a big bag of potatoes these two 70+ year olds neglected. I noticed it just as I was about to put my cart in the return corral because they were a few seconds ahead of me. I grabbed the bag and just made it to their car before they got in. I think the husband had no idea what was going on, but the wife seemed happy. Of course, I'm a pretty scary looking guy to a 70+ year old. She may have just been happy I wasn't trying to mug and/or rape her.

Heat
08-06-07, 12:31 AM
Found a case of soda just like that a couple of months ago. Free soda for me, made my day.
Just this past Memorial day I found two twelve packs (?) of Gatorade under a cart (kept them of course). If I can (and I have), I stop people and tell them that they left something, but I'm not going to turn it back in to the store. Unless it's something like a purse, prescription sunglasses, medication, etc etc. But not a case of gatorade.

And I was thinking more about the iPods. If it's just an iPod sitting by itself on a park bench with no way of identifying the owner, sure, I'm going to keep it. Especially a new one. If there was a receipt to a store I might return it to the store, depends on the situation. These would be for abandoned iPods - of course I wouldn't take one from inside a convertible or from a table where people were still sitting (like in the i-Jacker story).

DRG
08-06-07, 12:13 PM
...Each of the 100 wallets contained $2.10 in real money, a fake $50.00 gift certificate, some miscellaneous items and a clearly written ID card identifying the lost wallet's rightful owner.

The problem I have with this test is that it assumes that people are either honest or dishonest, but I think there is also a bit of an 'honesty curve'... meaning that some people who might return a wallet with $2.10 in it might be tempted to keep a wallet with $100 in it.


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