Directors who have changed artistic direction (decided to go for the paycheck)
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Directors who have changed artistic direction (decided to go for the paycheck)
Was just reading the scathing reviews of Michael Lehmann's latest film Because I Said So, and I started thinking about the praise he once received for directing Heathers. I was wondering how and why he decided to throw away any respect he had as a director years ago (I'm guessing the lure of $$$$ will do that to some directors).
Another director that comes to mind is Wayne Wang...he goes from Smoke and Center of the World to Maid in Manhattan and Last Holiday!!!!!!
Any others that come to mind?
Another director that comes to mind is Wayne Wang...he goes from Smoke and Center of the World to Maid in Manhattan and Last Holiday!!!!!!
Any others that come to mind?
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Moderator: sorry, placed this in the wrong forum. Could you please move to Movie talk...thanks!
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Originally Posted by Jaymole
Was just reading the scathing reviews of Michael Lehmann's latest film Because I Said So, and I started thinking about the praise he once received for directing Heathers. I was wondering how and why he decided to throw away any respect he had as a director years ago (I'm guessing the lure of $$$$ will do that to some directors).
Another director that comes to mind is Wayne Wang...he goes from Smoke and Center of the World to Maid in Manhattan and Last Holiday!!!!!!
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You ever actually seen his output since Heathers? 40 Days and 40 Nights, My Giant and Airheads are not exactly films that set the comedy world on fire (never seen the much-reviled Hudson Hawk); maybe you should be giving the credit for Heathers to the movie's writer, Daniel Waters.
Maybe Wang is doing the "one for the studio, one for me" deal? You neglected to mention that prior to Center of the World, his last film was the Susan Sarandon/Natalie Portman film Anywhere But Here.
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Not really a fare thread. Alot of directors take up "popcorn movie" to get the funds / confidence to do the small artsy thing that they have there sights set on.
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Not really a fare thread. Alot of directors take up "popcorn movie" to get the funds / confidence to do the small artsy thing that they have there sights set on.
I'm talking about directors who make a major stylistic & artistic change in the films they direct, no matter what the budget.
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Steven Soderbergh. He has said that he does the Ocean movies to get funding for his smaller movies such as Bubble, Full Frontal, The Good German and Solaris.
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Michael Mann.
Martin Scorsese.
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Francis Ford Coppola is the first one that came to my mind. He goes from The Godfather I/II, The Conversation, and Apocalypse Now in the 70's, to some films in the 80's which I feel are underrated, but then he did stuff like Jack and The Rainmaker, which there isn't really any excuse for.
Good call on John Woo. Hard Boiled, Bullet in the Head, The Killer, etc. are all classic, but then he came to Hollywood and hasn't done anything worth a damn since.
John Hughes is another one, if we're allowed to do screenwriters in this thread as well. He was behind some of the most intelligent comedies of the 80's (The Vacation series, The Breakfast Club, Sixteen Candles, Ferris Beuler, Pretty in Pink, etc.) but look at his output in the 90's, with stuff like Flubber, Beethoven and its endless sequels, etc.
Mike Nichols had a sharp change in direction starting with Silkwood, which he made after about a ten year hiatus from filmmaking. After making stuff like The Graduate, Carnal Knowledge, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, etc., he turned to really light romantic comedies and other much less artistically successful films after Silkwood, but recently he seems to have shifted gears again (Wit, Angels in America, Closer).
Jonathan Demme, after more than a decade of making some pretty quirky and influential smaller budget films (Melvin and Howard, Swing Shift, Stop Making Sense), he hit big with The Silence of the Lambs, which was probably his last great film. He's just doing terrible remakes now, like The Manchurian Candidate and The Truth About Charlie.
I'm holding out hope that the Coen Brothers haven't shifted gears and their last two films (The Ladykillers and Intolerable Cruelty) turn out to be anomalies in their catalogue.
Good call on John Woo. Hard Boiled, Bullet in the Head, The Killer, etc. are all classic, but then he came to Hollywood and hasn't done anything worth a damn since.
John Hughes is another one, if we're allowed to do screenwriters in this thread as well. He was behind some of the most intelligent comedies of the 80's (The Vacation series, The Breakfast Club, Sixteen Candles, Ferris Beuler, Pretty in Pink, etc.) but look at his output in the 90's, with stuff like Flubber, Beethoven and its endless sequels, etc.
Mike Nichols had a sharp change in direction starting with Silkwood, which he made after about a ten year hiatus from filmmaking. After making stuff like The Graduate, Carnal Knowledge, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, etc., he turned to really light romantic comedies and other much less artistically successful films after Silkwood, but recently he seems to have shifted gears again (Wit, Angels in America, Closer).
Jonathan Demme, after more than a decade of making some pretty quirky and influential smaller budget films (Melvin and Howard, Swing Shift, Stop Making Sense), he hit big with The Silence of the Lambs, which was probably his last great film. He's just doing terrible remakes now, like The Manchurian Candidate and The Truth About Charlie.
I'm holding out hope that the Coen Brothers haven't shifted gears and their last two films (The Ladykillers and Intolerable Cruelty) turn out to be anomalies in their catalogue.
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Originally Posted by Jackson_Browne
Jonathan Demme, after more than a decade of making some pretty quirky and influential smaller budget films (Melvin and Howard, Swing Shift, Stop Making Sense), he hit big with The Silence of the Lambs, then made Philadelphia, which was probably his last great film. He's just doing terrible remakes now, like The Manchurian Candidate and The Truth About Charlie.
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I never said he lost it a year ago. How about this...Since Heathers he's lost his artistic vision of picking out scripts.
OK, he's doing 3 for the studio and one for him
I'm curious if you're saying this because of the actors involved, or because of the material. Because whatever you might think of Maid in Manhattan and Last Holiday (and for the record, both films don't rise beyond the level of mediocre), the material fits a bit with themes that have been established in his earlier work, such as class struggles and women and their survival in a male-dominated world.
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I'm holding out hope that the Coen Brothers haven't shifted gears and their last two films (The Ladykillers and Intolerable Cruelty) turn out to be anomalies in their catalogue.
Seriously, people. Just because the dressing on the window is different doesn't mean directors have sold their souls to Hollywood.
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Originally Posted by GreenVulture
Both of those movies had several hallmarks of a Coen Bros. production: exagerrated characters & accents, people who hatch schemes and quickly find themselves way in over their heads, conversations where almost everyone involved has diarrhea of the mouth, and a fairly dark sense of humor.
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They just applied some of the elements of the recipe that made them famous to a couple of lousy scripts that seemed to be to be written in an attempt for greater mass appeal.
The title of the thread is "Directors who have changed artistic direction (decided to go for the paycheck)." The Coens applied their touches, their signature, to movies like The Ladykillers and Intolerable Cruelty, and just happened to get major stars to sign on. I'm not seeing how that makes them sellouts. It's obvious you didn't like either movie, but that's a totally different subject.
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Seriously? Mann has more or less been making the same type of films since Thief back in '81. What film of his makes you think otherwise?
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Them's fighting words. Would you also care to expand on that?
They are just my opinions.
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
Robert Rodriquez --Spy Kids Trilogy
Heck, why not practice on something lame and make money in the mean time for something you really want to make?