Just wanted to remind those interested this starts tonight. I didn't see anyone else discussing it. I've read this season is suppose to bring more of the funny and less of the drama.

This episode was bad, but then again it was nothing like Season 1 - this is a different show now. With the core group in College, Marissa gone, and Kaitlyn and her friends make the high school more abou the popular people, than the outsiders...

well since most people talked about this episode in the "the o.c. on myspace" thread last week...I suppose this one won't get much play.

here's a GREAT interview with Josh Shwartz that has me really excited for this season!

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1553169_3_0_,00.html

Have it recorded on Tivo to watch during lunch..So excited to see it back...

Let me get this straight? Ryan has been cagefighting? Summer has become an environmentalist hippy? Julie is a pillpopper?

I thought Ryan's cagefighting stint was just a rumor. Had to laugh when it turned out it wasn't. Anyway, glad to have this show back and hope we have some fun this season (only 13 episodes, right?).

That's about right.

EW, either in this week's mag or last week's, says it should be fun again by the 4th episode.

I'm glad they ran w/ my cage-fighting idea. With the success of UFC, I knew it would make for a great storyline.

The OC is back Biatch!

Loved it. Ryan is angry and angsty again.

Sandy is all doo-gooder save the world again

Seth is again the geek.

ANd julie is back to being evil.

Word and Taylor is HOT GDAMN and previews for next week:

People deal with loss in different ways.

I've been a fan of this show since day 1 but these random storylines of Ryan being a cagefighter and Summer turning into an activist are just fucking stupid.

Ryan's dead on the inside and just wants to feel something, and getting pummelled is his way of dealing with Marissa's death.

That and Summer is obviously not happy doing the activist hippie thing.

I laughed when I saw Chris Pratt as the head hippie. He was previously on "Everwood" as Bright.

I thought it was a decent episode. There are some signs the OC is going back to it's roots, but IMO the bread and butter of the show are Peter Gallagher and Melinda Clarke. They keep the show from falling apart. However, after reading last nights Nielsen ratings, I'm really beginning to think this is the last season. It finished T-13th with Supernatural and was down 45% from last season.

Yeah... it got slaughtered last night.

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap...ings-headlines

Maybe a time slot shift would help, but I'm not sure where they could put it.

Not only did the show almost tie with SUPERNATURAL last night, but it lost over half its audience from last season... These are not good things .

As for a timeslot switch that might help, but where would FOX put it like you said? Friday's would work if it wasn't a teensoap (because most of its target audience won't be home), Tuesday's would kill it because of CW's lineup, and FOX's Sun/Mon/Wed schedules are pretty solid (especially with AMERICAN IDOL returning in two months...

Maybe its time to start saying goodbye... (especially if ONE TREE HILL/SUPERNATURAL continue to garner better ratings with repeats...)

FOX did a rather poor job of promoting this premiere too. I wouldn't have known about it had I not checked out the TV Talk forum yesterday afternoon.

Gee, I can't imagine why fans wouldn't return after it had such a stellar 3rd season.

According to tvguide last night was a series low for viewership. I don't think Fox will move it becasue they don't want to launch anything there and I don't really think they care about the show anymore.

The World Series I think helped to kill the OC last night as well.

No one has watched Fox for the past month, and if you are not watching Fox, Would anyone know when the OC is coming back?

its a shame too, this season is already looking better than last year.

It might be better, but you know after last season, its going to be incredibly hard for FOX to get their viewership back, especially since alot of people consider the graduation episode the perfect place to leave the series, new episodes or not...

The fact that the show sucked last year along with Grey's Anatomy moving had more to do with it than anything. This isn't the first time the show was delayed becasue of baseball and it's ratings weren't hurt by it.

What is the name of the song played at the start of the episode? It had a great beat.

Running up that hill by Placebo

You can hear it at www.myspace.com/placebo