The "MTV Music Video" style of filmmaking: Thoughts?
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The "MTV Music Video" style of filmmaking: Thoughts?
Is this the all time worst filmmaking style of all time or what? I've been thinking about this for years, but after watching See No Evil (yes, I went to watch it) it just got me thinking about that style. I have a few questions to throw out there about this topic, so here we go:
-What was the first film, major film really, to use this style?
-Has there ever been a film that was truly high quality that had this style?
-What would you say is the best film to ever put this style to use?
-Would you say that this is the biggest style used to hide the fact that a director is lacking actual talent?
Ugh, maybe this doesn't bother others as much as me but I really can't stand it. You even see it used in other major films, like certain fighting scenes in movies where the camera is all over the place, quick cuts, and weird perspectives. Does a director/editor really sit back and think that it really adds something to a horror movie? If you have a room full of cut up body parts, isn't the fact that there are CUT UP BODY PARTS enough to freak out the viewer instead of using all of these crazy camera tricks?
-What was the first film, major film really, to use this style?
-Has there ever been a film that was truly high quality that had this style?
-What would you say is the best film to ever put this style to use?
-Would you say that this is the biggest style used to hide the fact that a director is lacking actual talent?
Ugh, maybe this doesn't bother others as much as me but I really can't stand it. You even see it used in other major films, like certain fighting scenes in movies where the camera is all over the place, quick cuts, and weird perspectives. Does a director/editor really sit back and think that it really adds something to a horror movie? If you have a room full of cut up body parts, isn't the fact that there are CUT UP BODY PARTS enough to freak out the viewer instead of using all of these crazy camera tricks?
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Originally Posted by BrentLumkin
-Has there ever been a film that was truly high quality that had this style?
-What would you say is the best film to ever put this style to use?
-What would you say is the best film to ever put this style to use?
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Originally Posted by Drexl
IMHO, Moulin Rouge! would be the answer to those two questions.
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This is why I hate the movie Gladiator. I was all pumped up and ready for some cool gladiator fights, and all I got was a lot of quick cuts where you couldn't tell what the hell was going on and then suddenly Maximus is standing over a fallen foe.
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I think Romeo and Juliet (the Leo DiCaprio version) may have been one of the first to really exploit it. The movie definately seemed ahead of its time. I have no real problem with it- it can really add to a film sometimes like in Romeo & Juliet. That whole movie IS an mtv music video and it works quite effectively.
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If a MTV movie is what I think it is, I would have to say that Independence Day is my favorite MTV movie of all time. Terminator 2 and Forrest Gump are close seconds.
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Rocky IV, but it was done right. A lot of movies nowadays have really ridiculous editing, and cartoon style, speed up action.
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Originally Posted by The_Cube
If a MTV movie is what I think it is, I would have to say that Independence Day is my favorite MTV movie of all time. Terminator 2 and Forrest Gump are close seconds.
Oddly enough, some people...like David Fincher...who actually DID make MTV videos, doesn't reallly apply. Thing is, the shaky cam and quick editing can serve a purpose well, and it's not all really derivative of MTV. Certainly the idea of quick edits isn't something that's always bad if done well.
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Originally Posted by BrentLumkin
scenes in movies where the camera is all over the place, quick cuts, and weird perspectives. Does a director/editor really sit back and think that it really adds something to a horror movie? If you have a room full of cut up body parts, isn't the fact that there are CUT UP BODY PARTS enough to freak out the viewer instead of using all of these crazy camera tricks?
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Originally Posted by jaeufraser
Thing is, the shaky cam and quick editing can serve a purpose well, and it's not all really derivative of MTV. Certainly the idea of quick edits isn't something that's always bad if done well.
Just like any other tool, when used correctly montage is very beneficial. When abused, it can have a bad effect.
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I watched Domino today for the first time. I think this movie would fall into your "MTV editing" category. It really bothered me, and I felt that it ruined a perfectly good movie.
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Well i think that this technique was stolen by MTV from Martin Scorsese. Just go back and watch Goodfellas (especially the last 30 minutes). Its cut, cut, cut, cut....with a pumping and superd soundtrack to go with it. This is a masterclass in how to film and edit a movie. I think that a lot of people have tried copying this format and no one has come close to getting it as good. There has also been the handheld technique that seemed to have become popular by Speilberg after Saving Private Ryan....but this i find annoying. It moves too fast and a lot of times you just cannot make out what is happening and it ruins what you are suppossed to be seeing (this is the one major problem i had with the Bourne Supremacy's fight scenes).
I don't actually think that the fast cut can be seen any longer as an MTV technique as all that MTV shows on its channels are crappy reality shows, lame arse comedy shows and anything that allows the general public to make a fool of themselves.
I don't actually think that the fast cut can be seen any longer as an MTV technique as all that MTV shows on its channels are crappy reality shows, lame arse comedy shows and anything that allows the general public to make a fool of themselves.
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The Lost Boys had MTV video style, but more along the lines of its cinematography than its editing.
As for rapid pace editing, I think it works if it can convey a sense of urgency, a sense of chaos, or deliver a semi-subliminal image/message. But when its used to just speed up the pace or falsely make scenes seem more 'exciting' then it is a poor artistic choice.
As for rapid pace editing, I think it works if it can convey a sense of urgency, a sense of chaos, or deliver a semi-subliminal image/message. But when its used to just speed up the pace or falsely make scenes seem more 'exciting' then it is a poor artistic choice.
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I don't think that I explained myself in the best way. I don't have anything wrong with quick cuts - that's obviously fine, and at times certain scenes call for it.
I'm talking more about those extreme shots. If any of you saw See No Evil, there is a shot where a guy is running and the camera is placed below his chin, slightly to the side, and it's just very very jerky and hard to watch. Then scenes where the camera is panning and as it does so the camera sorta "leaps" from one position to the other, by means of a quick cut of that sort, you mainly see that in bad horror movies.
Even those things might be ok for a single scene, but there are movies out there that are shot 100% all the way through like it's a crappy MTV music video. That's the style that I'm talking about, where they just overuse all of these tricks to the point where it becomes the entire film just about.
I'm talking more about those extreme shots. If any of you saw See No Evil, there is a shot where a guy is running and the camera is placed below his chin, slightly to the side, and it's just very very jerky and hard to watch. Then scenes where the camera is panning and as it does so the camera sorta "leaps" from one position to the other, by means of a quick cut of that sort, you mainly see that in bad horror movies.
Even those things might be ok for a single scene, but there are movies out there that are shot 100% all the way through like it's a crappy MTV music video. That's the style that I'm talking about, where they just overuse all of these tricks to the point where it becomes the entire film just about.
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Oh..
..in that case, no.
-JP
Originally Posted by BrentLumkin
...where they just overuse all of these tricks to the point where it becomes the entire film just about.
Originally Posted by BrentLumkin
-Has there ever been a film that was truly high quality that had this style?
-JP
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I think the MTV style of filmmaking sort of began with Miami Vice and ultra slick Jerry Bruckheimer movies like Flashdance & Top Gun. Vapid stories made entertaining due to ultra sleek and glossy production with a heavy dose of Top 40 music.
To me the first allout fullblown MTV style movie complete with all the hyperkinetic editing, rock concert lighting and a blaring pop soundtrack, would be Beverly Hills Cop II which is pretty much a blueprint for all of the Michael Bay crap that would follow in the 90's.
To me the first allout fullblown MTV style movie complete with all the hyperkinetic editing, rock concert lighting and a blaring pop soundtrack, would be Beverly Hills Cop II which is pretty much a blueprint for all of the Michael Bay crap that would follow in the 90's.
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I'm surprised no one mentioned Requiem For A Dream, which is consistently critiqued for it's MTV style editing. Some people feel it adds to the film, other think it should have been more subdued. I'm in the Adds to the film crew. As much as I prefer a more held back let the actors take the scene style, it adds a real manic uncomfortable feeling to the entire film.
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Originally Posted by CKMorpheus
I'm surprised no one mentioned Requiem For A Dream, which is consistently critiqued for it's MTV style editing. Some people feel it adds to the film, other think it should have been more subdued. I'm in the Adds to the film crew. As much as I prefer a more held back let the actors take the scene style, it adds a real manic uncomfortable feeling to the entire film.