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Old 04-10-06, 07:49 AM
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Penn & Teller Bull****: Prostitution 04/10/06

Showtime, 9:00pm CDT. Repeated at 10:00pm CDT.

Everyone knows that prostitution is practiced throughout the land. Where it is legal - in only a few Nevada counties, prostitution is vigorously regulated and monitored by the State of Nevada Health Department. The women submit to compulsory medical tests for STDs. No one is forced to work as a prostitute. Pimps don't exist. HIV has never been detected. The women earn regular paychecks and tips. Some even get vacation and sick days. And they pay taxes! It's BULLSHIT that it's illegal for two consenting adults to have sex with each other!
This seems like an easy target for P&T. Easier than that other consensual crime subject they dealt with in Season 2, The Drug War. Still, I expect an entertaining show. Probably boobies too.

Next week: The Death Penalty.
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Yay!!! Who doesn't like prostitution? Can't wait for this one.
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Like shooting fish in a barrel. Hopefully it's entertaining.

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As a pimp myself, I am 100% against the legalization of prostitution.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
As a pimp myself, I am 100% against the legalization of prostitution.
Yeah, I've heard it's hard out here for a pimp.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
As a pimp myself, I am 100% against the legalization of prostitution.
Just like the drug dealer who is against legalizing drugs.
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It was an easy target. But the show was mostly coherent and systematically established its case. Again, definite improvements over Season 3.

The (thankfully) short religious detour to the Garden of Eden was kind of out of bizarro interpretationland and they could have done without it. I'm not at all certain that the "knowledge of good and evil" was supposed to be all about sex.
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Funny thing, I'm pretty liberal and I just find prostitution creepy. When I was single, I even felt like a perv going with friends to strip clubs. If you're lonely or something, I can't blame a person and I do think it should be legal, but there's no thrill of the hunt involved if it's just a simple transaction and the challenge followed by the thrill of victory was one of the best parts of my younger years.

I do think they still avoided dealing with the % of women who DO get into the business because they have been abused or make their "free" choice based on a lot of baggage they haven't really dealt with. If it was made legal, along with all the other regulations, I would hope they would have people looking out for girls like that, who might need help.
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I don't have showtime, but does anybody listen to Penn Jillette's radio show?

Some guy called in the other day and basically said that the only thing keeping all women from becoming prostitutes are a job and a law. He said that if prostitution were legal, all unemployed women would then become prostitutes. Gotta love the crazy people out there, especially when they call into radio talk shows for my amusement.
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It was an easy target. But the show was mostly coherent and systematically established its case. Again, definite improvements over Season 3.

The (thankfully) short religious detour to the Garden of Eden was kind of out of bizarro interpretationland and they could have done without it. I'm not at all certain that the "knowledge of good and evil" was supposed to be all about sex.
I agree with all of that. It was coherent and systematic, but it's such an easy target with no real logical opposition that it's hard to get overly excited about it. I liked that they noted that many of those opposed to decriminalizing prostitution were good people trying to do right. I also liked that they spent a good deal of time on the different areas of the issue: disgusting street walkers, legal brothels, and escorts.

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Originally Posted by dolphinboy
Funny thing, I'm pretty liberal and I just find prostitution creepy. When I was single, I even felt like a perv going with friends to strip clubs. If you're lonely or something, I can't blame a person and I do think it should be legal, but there's no thrill of the hunt involved if it's just a simple transaction and the challenge followed by the thrill of victory was one of the best parts of my younger years.
Some people don't get off on the thrill of the hunt. Some people get off on having the tingly parts of their naughty bits stimulated.
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Originally Posted by dolphinboy
Funny thing, I'm pretty liberal and I just find prostitution creepy. When I was single, I even felt like a perv going with friends to strip clubs. If you're lonely or something, I can't blame a person and I do think it should be legal, but there's no thrill of the hunt involved if it's just a simple transaction and the challenge followed by the thrill of victory was one of the best parts of my younger years.
When I was in college I went to a strip club a few times, and had the same reaction. I generally thought, "Man, I am sure this is not what you or your parents envisioned for you when you grew up."

But that was also back when the Women's Rights movement was against prostitution, pornography, etc. and I was their tool, so who knows.
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Strip clubs have always bored me. I don't have any philosophical problem with going there or those who work there, but I really don't find much appeal in it.

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Originally Posted by kvrdave
...back when the Women's Rights movement was against prostitution, pornography, etc.
Boy have things changed since then.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
When I was in college I went to a strip club a few times, and had the same reaction. I generally thought, "Man, I am sure this is not what you or your parents envisioned for you when you grew up."

Nothing better than going to a strip club with guys who have daughters and pointing out to them that the girl grinding on your lap is some father's little girl.
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I never really understood strip clubs, but then again, I wouldn't have to work too hard to go out and have sex (without paying) if I wanted to.
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2 episodes I agree with before they aired...I need to see one that might teach me something or change my mind
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Originally Posted by TracerBullet
I never really understood strip clubs, but then again, I wouldn't have to work too hard to go out and have sex (without paying) if I wanted to.
No fair not sharing pointers with us regular mortals.

I call shenanigans on that!
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Originally Posted by wergo
No fair not sharing pointers with us regular mortals.

I call shenanigans on that!
Pointer #1: Be a gay man.
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Originally Posted by TracerBullet
Pointer #1: Be a gay man.
Wait, are you saying all you have to be to get a lot of sex is a gay man? How come I'm always home alone then? I'm flexible.

Anyway, I thought the ep was pretty good, but there really wasn't a lot that could be said about the topic. It all just goes to moral arguments. It's too easy to counter an argument based almost purely on morality. Even so, it was still an entertaining ep.
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Originally Posted by clckworang
It all just goes to moral arguments. It's too easy to counter an argument based almost purely on morality.
Killing is bad.
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Originally Posted by clckworang
Wait, are you saying all you have to be to get a lot of sex is a gay man? How come I'm always home alone then? I'm flexible.
Well, it might be more difficult in Texas than in New York.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Killing is bad.
But you could just as easily counter that much like the speech Woody Harrelson made in Natural Born Killers. Killing is the natural order of things in the wild, so why is it bad that one man kills another one and it's not bad if a lion kills a gazelle? Yes, I realize circumstances are very different, but I'm just saying one could probably form a well-reasoned, if ill-intentioned, argument to that affect using the laws of nature, Darwin's survival of the fittest and the overpopulation of the world to support an opposing view to that statement. But I guess it just goes back to the title of the show: it's all BULL SHIT!
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Okay, killing is neutral.

One thing that "bothered" me a bit in this episode was the biblical scholar. I haven't ever read in the bible, nor have I ever heard that the "tree of knowledge" was about sex, nor that Adam and Eve didn't have sex until after the "fall."

I have absolutely no idea where that came from or how it can be supported from the text. Otherwise, prostitution is about like drug use, abortion, etc. etc. Not things that I tend to believe are good things, but I don't see a rationale for making it illegal either. I don't think there is any doubt that it would be safer, cleaner, etc. if it was legalized. But I do wonder how wide spread it would be compared to how it is now. I mean, if I wanted a hooker, I have no freaking idea where to go. Don't know of a street, house, etc. It is probably there, but I just don't know. So would it become more pervasive of not? No idea, and it probably doesn't matter to the question, ultimately.
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
Nothing better than going to a strip club with guys who have daughters and pointing out to them that the girl grinding on your lap is some father's little girl.
??? So what.... the girl they screwed to get thier daughters was somebody's little girl too.....


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