The one-and-only RIAA news/discussion thread [2005/2006]
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The one-and-only RIAA news/discussion thread [2005/2006]
So many average, ordinary people are getting sued for $5,000-$7,500 and more for illegally downloading music files to their computer.
My question is...how can they know you downloaded files to your personal pc? and, wouldn't that method in question then be illegal?
My question is...how can they know you downloaded files to your personal pc? and, wouldn't that method in question then be illegal?
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Originally Posted by scott1598
So many average, ordinary people are getting sued for $5,000-$7,500 and more for illegally downloading music files to their computer.
My question is...how can they know you downloaded files to your personal pc? and, wouldn't that method in question then be illegal?
My question is...how can they know you downloaded files to your personal pc? and, wouldn't that method in question then be illegal?
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Originally Posted by scott1598
My question is...how can they know you downloaded files to your personal pc? and, wouldn't that method in question then be illegal?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
My understanding of it is that, if you're connected to a p2p network, your computer's IP address is visible to anyone searching for various songs, and through that connection, people can see what is available in your shared folder. All the RIAA has to do then is serve a a subpoena on your ISP to find out who you are.
Yeah, IP address, MAC address and I believe computer name are all available when you hook up with a p2p network.
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So, if you don't have any copyrighted files in your shared folder, are you safe?
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Originally Posted by Forum Troll
So, if you don't have any copyrighted files in your shared folder, are you safe?
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How does usenet factor in?
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Use Torrents instead. It is the best thing to get RIAA protected music now. It seems like no one can tell who is downloading what and just gives how many people are downloading at a time.
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Originally Posted by ChrisKnudsen
Use Torrents instead. It is the best thing to get RIAA protected music now. It seems like no one can tell who is downloading what and just gives how many people are downloading at a time.
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ChrisKnudsen, have you seen my final post here: http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=214035
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Originally Posted by Mordred
I would guess it wouldn't at all. For the RIAA to find out you've been illegally downloading files from Usenet, they would have to subpeona your ISP for a list of anyone who might be breaking the law (which is a far cry from already knowing who is breaking the law). No ISP in their right mind would do something like this, with the possible exception of Time Warner who could possibly be interested in protecting their own copyrights. Of course TW hasn't done this because they know that as soon as they start coming after their own customers, they're going to lose a LOT of subscribers.
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RIAA: Ripping CD's to your iPod is not (necessarily) fair use
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php
There are hyperlinks in the linked article to the filing and the Supreme Court transcript.
It is no secret that the entertainment oligopolists are not happy about space-shifting and format-shifting. But surely ripping your own CDs to your own iPod passes muster, right? In fact, didn't they admit as much in front of the Supreme Court during the MGM v. Grokster argument last year?
Apparently not.
As part of the on-going DMCA rule-making proceedings, the RIAA and other copyright industry associations submitted a filing that included this gem as part of their argument that space-shifting and format-shifting do not count as noninfringing uses, even when you are talking about making copies of your own CDs:
"Nor does the fact that permission to make a copy in particular circumstances is often or even routinely granted, necessarily establish that the copying is a fair use when the copyright owner withholds that authorization. In this regard, the statement attributed to counsel for copyright owners in the MGM v. Grokster case is simply a statement about authorization, not about fair use."
For those who may not remember, here's what Don Verrilli said to the Supreme Court last year:
"The record companies, my clients, have said, for some time now, and it's been on their website for some time now, that it's perfectly lawful to take a CD that you've purchased, upload it onto your computer, put it onto your iPod."
If I understand what the RIAA is saying, "perfectly lawful" means "lawful until we change our mind." So your ability to continue to make copies of your own CDs on your own iPod is entirely a matter of their sufferance. What about all the indie label CDs? Do you have to ask each of them for permission before ripping your CDs? And what about all the major label artists who control their own copyrights? Do we all need to ask them, as well?
P.S.: The same filing also had this to say: "Similarly, creating a back-up copy of a music CD is not a non-infringing use...."
Apparently not.
As part of the on-going DMCA rule-making proceedings, the RIAA and other copyright industry associations submitted a filing that included this gem as part of their argument that space-shifting and format-shifting do not count as noninfringing uses, even when you are talking about making copies of your own CDs:
"Nor does the fact that permission to make a copy in particular circumstances is often or even routinely granted, necessarily establish that the copying is a fair use when the copyright owner withholds that authorization. In this regard, the statement attributed to counsel for copyright owners in the MGM v. Grokster case is simply a statement about authorization, not about fair use."
For those who may not remember, here's what Don Verrilli said to the Supreme Court last year:
"The record companies, my clients, have said, for some time now, and it's been on their website for some time now, that it's perfectly lawful to take a CD that you've purchased, upload it onto your computer, put it onto your iPod."
If I understand what the RIAA is saying, "perfectly lawful" means "lawful until we change our mind." So your ability to continue to make copies of your own CDs on your own iPod is entirely a matter of their sufferance. What about all the indie label CDs? Do you have to ask each of them for permission before ripping your CDs? And what about all the major label artists who control their own copyrights? Do we all need to ask them, as well?
P.S.: The same filing also had this to say: "Similarly, creating a back-up copy of a music CD is not a non-infringing use...."
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They must understimate the will of pissed-off music customers. Instead of trying to come up with things that are acceptable to everyone, they are just driving their customers away from their products and onto free ones.
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What's the over-under on the RIAA?
I hope they're out of power within the next 10 years. If they keep up like this, it might be sooner...
I hope they're out of power within the next 10 years. If they keep up like this, it might be sooner...
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From RIAA's website..
"If you choose to take your own CDs and make copies for yourself on your computer or portable music player, that's great. It's your music and we want you to enjoy it at home, at work, in the car and on the jogging trail."
"If you choose to take your own CDs and make copies for yourself on your computer or portable music player, that's great. It's your music and we want you to enjoy it at home, at work, in the car and on the jogging trail."
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Yeah they're total sadists.
They try to put good PR around their whole mission but then they make statements like this, which doesn't put anyone on their side.
They try to put good PR around their whole mission but then they make statements like this, which doesn't put anyone on their side.
Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Then why do you put viruses on CDs that attempt to prevent me from doing that?
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Good grief. I can't believe they're still at it.
You'd think at some point the RIAA would finally realize that they've been kicking their own ass the whole time.
You'd think at some point the RIAA would finally realize that they've been kicking their own ass the whole time.
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They'll totally defeat themself and then just blame it on piracy.
I don't even want to buy a CD anymore because i'm afraid of the crap they might put on it.
Plus i take offence to being treated like a criminal when i'm not one.
I don't even want to buy a CD anymore because i'm afraid of the crap they might put on it.
Plus i take offence to being treated like a criminal when i'm not one.