So who first came up with the idea for The Matrix?
11-09-05, 04:12 AM
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So who first came up with the idea for The Matrix?
I've read a lot of interviews and seen a lot of articles of writers saying the wachowski's took their idea from them.
I've heard someone say the matrix was based on this strip:
http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/...es/shadows.jpg
I've heard grant morrision say in multiple interviews that they took the idea from Invisibles.
http://suicidegirls.com/words/Grant+Morrison/
quote from interview
"The Matrix is plot by plot, detail by detail, image by image, lifted from Invisibles so there shouldn't be much controversy"
And I've also heard they stole it from ghost in the shell.
I've also heard that the got it from William Gibson novels.
And while I've read and watched all these and while I don't think it was such a unique and rare idea that it could be stolen from one individual, I'm wondering who came up with the idea first?
I've heard someone say the matrix was based on this strip:
http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/...es/shadows.jpg
I've heard grant morrision say in multiple interviews that they took the idea from Invisibles.
http://suicidegirls.com/words/Grant+Morrison/
quote from interview
"The Matrix is plot by plot, detail by detail, image by image, lifted from Invisibles so there shouldn't be much controversy"
And I've also heard they stole it from ghost in the shell.
I've also heard that the got it from William Gibson novels.
And while I've read and watched all these and while I don't think it was such a unique and rare idea that it could be stolen from one individual, I'm wondering who came up with the idea first?
11-09-05, 04:27 AM
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I hate the idea of "first" since it seems like a jumble mix variety package of different ideas pulled a little here and a little there from the other items.
We already know the brothers were big Ghost in the shell fans. So is it really hard to believe they were influenced by it?
We already know the brothers were big Ghost in the shell fans. So is it really hard to believe they were influenced by it?
11-09-05, 06:55 AM
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Not Sophia Stewart, certainly.
Or, as Keith Phipps from The AV Club said, "In addition to resembling both in concept and content the worthwhile Dark City, there's not much more to it than ideas about the subjectivity of reality reworked from Descartes, Philip K. Dick, and William Gibson and channeled into an operatic science-fiction metaphor about non-conformity (and drug use)."
Or, as Keith Phipps from The AV Club said, "In addition to resembling both in concept and content the worthwhile Dark City, there's not much more to it than ideas about the subjectivity of reality reworked from Descartes, Philip K. Dick, and William Gibson and channeled into an operatic science-fiction metaphor about non-conformity (and drug use)."
11-09-05, 07:24 AM
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Not sure about the first one, but Reloaded and Revolutions came from 100 monkeys typing on 100 typewriters.
11-09-05, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Rockmjd23
Not sure about the first one, but Reloaded and Revolutions came from 100 monkeys typing on 100 typewriters.
"It was the best of times, it was the...blurst of times?!?!
11-09-05, 11:29 AM
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Even DUNE, written back in the 60's, had the concept of rebelling against computers that got to smart and tried to eliminate humanity. That's where Mentats and the Butlerian Jihad all come from in the books.
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11-09-05, 11:55 AM
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Looking at that pic of the Architect, it reminds me how much I howl with laughter whenever I see his speech to Neo in Reloaded. It's filled with so much psychobabble, with two or three big words in every sentence. It's a riot. That actor had to be think Jesus, what a mouthful. He actually did pretty well with it, no matter how hilarious he sounded.
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11-09-05, 12:25 PM
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Plato did, in a little-read book entitled 'The Republic.' See the Sun-Line-Cave allegory in Books 6 and 7.
"And now, I said, let me show in a figure how far our nature is enlightened or unenlightened:, Behold! human beings living in an underground den, which has a mouth open towards the light and reaching all along the den; here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised way; and you will see, if you look, a low wall built along the way, like the screen which marionette players have in front of them, over which they show the puppets."
-Plato, 'The Republic,' Book 7, circa the year 400 BCE
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"And now, I said, let me show in a figure how far our nature is enlightened or unenlightened:, Behold! human beings living in an underground den, which has a mouth open towards the light and reaching all along the den; here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised way; and you will see, if you look, a low wall built along the way, like the screen which marionette players have in front of them, over which they show the puppets."
-Plato, 'The Republic,' Book 7, circa the year 400 BCE
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11-09-05, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockmjd23
Not sure about the first one, but Reloaded and Revolutions came from 100 monkeys typing on 100 typewriters.
So it was as good as Shakespeare?
The very basic idea of 'reality' being not real has been around probably since pre-history and the computer virtual-reality spin only lagged with the invention of the computer. As original as it was in terms of current popular culture, it is not a patentable original concept.
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Originally Posted by Terrell
Looking at that pic of the Architect, it reminds me how much I howl with laughter whenever I see his speech to Neo in Reloaded. It's filled with so much psychobabble, with two or three big words in every sentence. It's a riot. That actor had to be think Jesus, what a mouthful. He actually did pretty well with it, no matter how hilarious he sounded.
