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CRM114
11-06-05, 03:38 PM
November 6, 2005
Report Warned Bush Team About Intelligence Doubts (http://nytimes.com/2005/11/06/politics/06intel.ready.html?ei=5094&en=0d091794b0c89f27&hp=&ex=1131339600&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print)

By DOUGLAS JEHL

WASHINGTON, Nov. 5 — A top member of Al Qaeda in American custody was identified as a likely fabricator months before the Bush administration began to use his statements as the foundation for its claims that Iraq trained Al Qaeda members to use biological and chemical weapons, according to newly declassified portions of a Defense Intelligence Agency document.

The document, an intelligence report from February 2002, said it was probable that the prisoner, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, “was intentionally misleading the debriefers’’ in making claims about Iraqi support for Al Qaeda’s work with illicit weapons.

The document provides the earliest and strongest indication of doubts voiced by American intelligence agencies about Mr. Libi’s credibility. Without mentioning him by name, President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Colin L. Powell, then secretary of state, and other administration officials repeatedly cited Mr. Libi’s information as “credible’’ evidence that Iraq was training Al Qaeda members in the use of explosives and illicit weapons.

Among the first and most prominent assertions was one by Mr. Bush, who said in a major speech in Cincinnati in October 2002 that “we’ve learned that Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb making and poisons and gases.’’

The newly declassified portions of the document were made available by Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, the top Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Mr. Levin said the new evidence of early doubts about Mr. Libi’s statements dramatized what he called the Bush administration’s misuse of prewar intelligence to try to justify the war in Iraq. That is an issue that Mr. Levin and other Senate Democrats have been seeking to emphasize, in part by calling attention to the fact that the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee has yet to deliver a promised report, first sought more than two years ago, on the use of prewar intelligence.

An administration official declined to comment on the D.I.A. report on Mr. Libi. But Senate Republicans, put on the defensive when Democrats forced a closed session of the Senate this week to discuss the issue, have been arguing that Republicans were not alone in making prewar assertions about Iraq, illicit weapons and terrorism that have since been discredited.

Mr. Libi, who was captured in Pakistan at the end of 2001, recanted his claims in January 2004. That prompted the C.I.A., a month later, to recall all intelligence reports based on his statements, a fact recorded in a footnote to the report issued by the Sept. 11 commission.

Mr. Libi was not alone among intelligence sources later determined to have been fabricating accounts. Among others, an Iraqi exile whose code name was Curveball was the primary source for what proved to be false information about Iraq and mobile biological weapons labs. And American military officials cultivated ties with Ahmad Chalabi, the head of the Iraqi National Congress, an exile group, who has been accused of feeding the Pentagon misleading information in urging war.

The report issued by the Senate intelligence committee in July 2004 questioned whether some versions of intelligence report prepared by the C.I.A. in late 2002 and early 2003 raised sufficient questions about the reliability of Mr. Libi’s claims.

But neither that report nor another issued by the Sept. 11 commission made any reference to the existence of the earlier and more skeptical 2002 report by the D.I.A., which supplies intelligence to military commanders and national security policy makers. As an official intelligence report, labeled DITSUM No. 044-02, the document would have circulated widely within the government, and it would have been available to the C.I.A., the White House, the Pentagon and other agencies. It remains unclear whether the D.I.A. document was provided to the Senate panel.

In outlining reasons for its skepticism, the D.I.A. report noted that Mr. Libi’s claims lacked specific details about the Iraqis involved, the illicit weapons used and the location where the training was to have taken place.
“It is possible he does not know any further details; it is more likely this individual is intentionally misleading the debriefers,’’ the February 2002 report said. “Ibn al-Shaykh has been undergoing debriefs for several weeks and may be describing scenarios to the debriefers that he knows will retain their interest.’’

Mr. Powell relied heavily on accounts provided by Mr. Libi for his speech to the United Nations Security Council on Feb. 5, 2003, saying that he was tracing “the story of a senior terrorist operative telling how Iraq provided training in these weapons to Al Qaeda.’’

At the time of Mr. Powell’s speech, an unclassified statement by the C.I.A. described the reporting, now known to have been from Mr. Libi, as “credible.’’ But Mr. Levin said he had learned that a classified C.I.A. assessment at the time stated “the source was not in a position to know if any training had taken place.’’ -eek-

In an interview on Friday, Mr. Levin also called attention to a portion of the D.I.A. report that expressed skepticism about the idea of close collaboration between Iraq and Al Qaeda, an idea that was never substantiated by American intelligence but was a pillar of the administration’s prewar claims.
“Saddam’s regime is intensely secular and is wary of Islamic revolutionary movements,’’ the D.I.A. report said in one of two declassified paragraphs. “Moreover, Baghdad is unlikely to provide assistance to a group it cannot control.’’

The request to declassify the two paragraphs was made on Oct. 18 by Mr. Levin and Senator John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia, the top Democrat on the Senate intelligence committee. In an Oct. 26 response, Kathleen P. Turner, chief of the D.I.A.’s office for Congressional affairs, said the agency “can find no reason for it to remain classified.’’

At the time of his capture, Mr. Libi was the most senior Qaeda official in American custody. The D.I.A. document gave no indication of where he was being held, or what interrogation methods were used on him.

Mr. Libi remains in custody, apparently at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, where he was sent in 2003, according to government officials.

The Senate intelligence committee is scheduled to meet beginning next week to review draft reports prepared as part of a long-postponed “Phase II’’ of the panel’s review of prewar intelligence on Iraq. At separate briefings for reporters on Friday, Republicans staff members said the writing had long been under way, while Senate Democrats on the committee claimed credit for reinvigorating the process, by forcing the closed session. They said that already nearly complete is a look at whether prewar intelligence accurately predicted the potential for an anti-American insurgency.

Other areas of focus include the role played by the Iraqi National Congress, that of the Pentagon in shaping intelligence assessments, and an examination of whether public statements about Iraq by members of the Bush and Clinton administrations, as well as members of Congress, were substantiated by intelligence available at the time.

I mean, c'mon. Is there any doubt Bush and Co. cooked the books a bit?

al_bundy
11-06-05, 06:17 PM
I think there will be conspiracy theories about what happened in 2002 for years to come. Just as there are still theories that FDR allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor.

This war just as any other war the US participated in was fought to protect our interests and the prelude to war was done in a way to ensure maximum public support for the war, just as in prior wars.

darkessenz
11-06-05, 09:12 PM
This war just as any other war the US participated in was fought to protect our interests and the prelude to war was done in a way to ensure maximum public support for the war, just as in prior wars.

So true.

Sominex
11-06-05, 09:31 PM
I mean, c'mon. Is there any doubt Bush and Co. cooked the books a bit?


So if there was info on Bush's desk on 9/03 saying that in a few days Al Queda would fly planes into the towers, and someone else came along and said "Nahhh... trust me, that isn't credible", and Bush said "OK... I should not do anything" -- You'd be OK with that?

Because you are making the same argument (with all due respect)

nemein
11-06-05, 09:33 PM
So if there was info on Bush's desk on 9/03 saying that in a few days Al Queda would fly planes into the towers, and someone else came along and said "Nahhh... trust me, that isn't credible", and Bush said "OK... I should not do anything" -- You'd be OK with that?

Because you are making the same argument (with all due respect)


Haven't people actually made that accusation?

CRM114
11-06-05, 09:45 PM
So if there was info on Bush's desk on 9/03 saying that in a few days Al Queda would fly planes into the towers, and someone else came along and said "Nahhh... trust me, that isn't credible", and Bush said "OK... I should not do anything" -- You'd be OK with that?

Because you are making the same argument (with all due respect)

If that info came from a bogus informant, yes. You seemed to have not read the article, just my reaction.

And you really aren't comparing the calculated runup to war with 9.11 are you? -ohbfrank-

CRM114
11-06-05, 09:46 PM
Haven't people actually made that accusation?

And people made the accusation that Clinton knocked off Vince Foster too. :lol:

Giantrobo
11-07-05, 09:22 AM
And people made the accusation that Clinton knocked off Vince Foster too. :lol:


I worked at a talk station back in the <b>90's</b>, waaay before 9/11 and I knew the name Osama Bin-Laden and I had heard of Al-Queda. I'm pretty sure the Gov knew those names too. Hell, I kinda laughed when both names became "household names" after 9/11 because so many people considered "right wing nuts" were trying to warn people but no one listened. But the Media acted ike these were new Threats from out of nowhere. I got news for you The US GOV has known about both of these threats for years. Even your boy Clinton knew and he didnt' do anything either.

So don't try to pull a Micheal Moore and put most if not all ALL the blame on Bush...

mosquitobite
11-07-05, 09:37 AM
So if there was info on Bush's desk on 9/03 saying that in a few days Al Queda would fly planes into the towers, and someone else came along and said "Nahhh... trust me, that isn't credible", and Bush said "OK... I should not do anything" -- You'd be OK with that?

Because you are making the same argument (with all due respect)

Actually Sominex... meet Larry Johnson. :) He's a Democrat who is friends with Joe & Valerie Wilson. Coincidence?

The Declining Threat of Terrorism (http://100777.com/node/809)
July 10, 2001, Tuesday The New York Times

By Larry C. Johnson http://www.berg-associates.com/larryc.htm

I LOVE the date in particular rotfl

And this is our CIA folks! :up:


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