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CRM114
10-21-05, 07:06 PM
The party of fiscal responsibility. Ha! :lol:

Number of Pork Projects in Federal Spending Bills

2005 - 13,997
2004 - 10,656
2003 - 9,362
2002 - 8,341
2001 - 6,333
2000 - 4,326
1999 - 2,838
1998 - 2100
1997 - 1,596
1996 - 958
1995 - 1439

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/blog/archives/026385.php

JasonF
10-21-05, 07:17 PM
Plus, in 1994 when the Republicans took over, they added a delicious ham sandwich to the menu in the House cafeteria.

grundle
10-21-05, 07:27 PM
Stephen Moore, the founder of the Club For Growth, is a small-l libertarian and a big R-Republican.

He tries to influence primary elections to get real conservatives to win.

His phrase "Club For Growth" is referring to economic growth, because he supports cuts in marginal tax rates, and deregulation.

However, it looks like the thing that's growing the most is government spending.

X
10-21-05, 07:49 PM
http://www.murrayinthemorning.com/timewasters/photos/signs/signs_pork.jpg

classicman2
10-21-05, 08:16 PM
Once again - what is the definition of pork?

Myster X
10-21-05, 08:50 PM
Some research might help.

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=news_byrddroppings

Words of wisdom from the
King of Pork
Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.)
Ranking Member, U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee

"They call me 'The Pork King,' they don't know how much I enjoy it." - Sen. Robert Byrd



In 2005, Senator Robert C. Byrd managed to claw $399 million in pork for West Virginia, or $220 for every single resident, using his privileged position as ranking chairman of the Appropriations Committee. After he secured $97 million in fiscal 1999, Byrd became the first person in CAGW's Congressional Pig Book history to obtain more than $1 billion in pork for his state. In honor of this fiscal incontinence, we dedicate this page to Senator Byrd.

Sen. Byrd has set a new standard for taxpayer-funded narcissism by convincing the West Virginia Legislature to erect a statue of himself in the state Capitol. The statue's completion violates state law prohibiting statues of government officials until they have been dead for half a century.
http://www.cagw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/13020.jpg
Byrd's statue is currently housed in the Capitol Rotunda, as shown in the picture, and it is said if you stand under the statue the senator's hand points directly at your pockets.

Sen. Byrd sometimes claims that he is in favor of fiscal restraint. However, the senator currently has over 20 public works named after him - seriously undermining his pleas for budget responsibility.

Other Byrd Projects

Robert C. Byrd Drive, from Beckley to Sophia (Byrd's hometown)
Robert C. Byrd National Technology Transfer Center at Wheeling Jesuit University
Robert C. Byrd Highway
Robert C. Byrd Federal Correctional Institution
Robert C. Byrd High School
Robert C. Byrd Freeway
Robert C. Byrd Center for Hospitality and Tourism
Robert C. Byrd Science Center

Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center of West Virginia
Robert C. Byrd Cancer Research Center
Robert C. Byrd Technology Center at Alderson-Broaddus College

Robert C. Byrd Hardwood Technologies Center, near Princeton
Robert C. Byrd Bridge between Huntington and Chesapeake, Ohio
Robert C. Byrd addition to the lodge at Oglebay Park, Wheeling
Robert C. Byrd Community Center, Pine Grove
Robert C. Byrd Honors Scholarships
Robert C. Byrd Expressway, U.S. 52 near Weirton
Robert C. Byrd Institute in Charleston
Robert C. Byrd Institute for Advanced Flexible Manufacturing
Robert C. Byrd Visitor Center at Harpers Ferry National Historic Park
Robert C. Byrd Federal Courthouse
Robert C. Byrd Academic and Technology Center
Robert C. Byrd United Technical Center
Robert C. Byrd Federal Building (there are two)
Robert C. Byrd Hilltop Office Complex
Robert C. Byrd Library and Robert C. Byrd Learning Resource Center
Robert C. Byrd Rural Health Center
Robert C. Byrd Clinical Addition to the veteran's hospital in Huntington

Robert C. Byrd Industrial Park, Hardy County

Robert C. Byrd Scholastic Recognition Award

Robert C. Byrd Community Center in the naval station, Sugar Grove
"L'etat, c'est Moi": Words from the King
"Having the title [of Appropriations chairman] is fine, but not having the money is sobering."

Prior to the vote on President Bush's tax cut in 2001, Byrd made one last attempt to blackmail his fellow senators with pork from the well of the Senate: "Let me say to my colleagues, if you vote for this budget conference report, don't come to the appropriations watering hole. It is not that I would not love to help you, but you are going to make it impossible." He also sent his colleagues a letter reiterating his threats.

"One man's pork is another man's job. Pork has been good investment in West Virginia. You can look around and see what I've done."

"West Virginia has always had four friends," Byrd said, "God Almighty, Sears Roebuck, Carter's Liver Pills, and Robert C. Byrd."

"It is often overlooked that as chairman of the Appropriations Committee, I was instrumental in assisting all of the states in the union with mass transit, highways, waterways, sewerage, education '' he said. "I worked to serve the national interests. Of course West Virginia, as one of the 50 states, benefited, but few states have needed more help."

"When I was a member of the West Virginia House of Delegates 51 years ago, West Virginia had four miles of divided highway,'' he said. "Four miles.'' Today the state has about 37,000 miles of highway.

Given CAGW's long history of chronicling and criticizing Byrd's prolific spending, CAGW was not surprised when he contemptuously referred to the group as "a bunch of **********s" on National Public Radio in the summer of 2001. Remember, this is the same man who said "you might as well slap my wife as take away my highway money." That must be especially true regarding the Robert C. Byrd Highway.

In an interview with George magazine about loan guarantees for steel companies, Sen. Byrd claimed that "he has no apologies to make" to the American people for the more than $1 billion in taxpayer money he has wasted.

bhk
10-21-05, 09:00 PM
Not to mention the Robert Byrd Center for White Sheet Holloween Costume Research.

General Zod
10-21-05, 09:05 PM
Not to mention the Robert Byrd Center for White Sheet Holloween Costume Research.
:lol:

mikehunt
10-21-05, 09:55 PM
yup, and it's pissing me off and is one of the things I noted when I sent back their "we want money" letter, without a donation

kvrdave
10-21-05, 11:43 PM
They are becoming more and more like one huge party.

wendersfan
10-22-05, 08:06 AM
"West Virginia has always had four friends," Byrd said, "God Almighty, Sears Roebuck, Carter's Liver Pills, and Robert C. Byrd.":up: :up: :up:

Jason
10-22-05, 10:17 AM
I know RCB is evil incarnate, but lets take a look at these "pork" products.

(I've removed the schools.)

Robert C. Byrd Drive, from Beckley to Sophia (Byrd's hometown) - Sophia is basically part of Beckley. RCB Drive is a street that was already there, but was widened. It's also an exit off of the WV Turnpike, and heads downtown. It's not some magical road built only to stroke Byrd's ego.

Robert C. Byrd Highway - Not sure where this is, but highways get renamed all the time.

Robert C. Byrd Federal Correctional Institution - According to rightie-tiighties, what better name for a prison?

Robert C. Byrd Freeway - See above

Robert C. Byrd Center for Hospitality and Tourism - Travel center along the highway. Maybe named after Byrd because WV wouldn't have 5 miles of four lane road if it wasn't for him.

Robert C. Byrd Science Center - not familiar with this one

Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center of West Virginia - Renamed Medical School

Robert C. Byrd Cancer Research Center - See above. Actually, I think it's called something else.

Robert C. Byrd Hardwood Technologies Center, near Princeton - Don't know anything about this. Princeton is in southern WV near VA border, where mining and lumber still have some business.

Robert C. Byrd Bridge between Huntington and Chesapeake, Ohio - Crosses the Ohio river. Huntington is the second largest city in WV.

I really don't see the point of continuing on with these. I've always been amazed that people get so upset that WV honors a man who actually takes care of them.

kvrdave
10-23-05, 04:57 AM
So pork is good?

nemein
10-23-05, 06:01 AM
So pork is good?


If you're on the receiving side it is ;)

classicman2
10-23-05, 07:30 AM
Originally Posted by kvrdave: So pork is good?

Yes!

Red Dog
10-23-05, 09:48 AM
They are becoming more and more like one huge party.


I've heard this before somewhere. ;)

Red Dog
10-23-05, 09:52 AM
If you're on the receiving side it is ;)


That's if one takes the me-me-me selfish approach, which is what those of my ilk are accused of constantly. For example, in our neighborhood - the pork that is Dulles Rail. Yeah, it would make life easier for me, but I think it would be a tremendous waste of money, and therefore oppose it.

classicman2
10-23-05, 09:59 AM
I suppose, considering the above post by Red Dog, that he's opposed to any improvements to the infrastructure.

I ask the question of Red Dog, other libertarians, right-wingers, etc. - what do you propose spending public money on? You seem to be opposed to infrastructure improvements, and you're obviously opposed to social spending - what - other than defense and building that high, high fence along the border(s)?

mikehunt
10-23-05, 10:03 AM
So pork is good?

if it's bacon, or pork chops, or ribs, or the sliced pork on a cuban sandwich

Red Dog
10-23-05, 10:08 AM
Way to read something that isn't there. -ohbfrank- You know very well I've supported the Interstate Highway System in previous posts. You also know that I support repairing the damage to the port of New Orleans.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with spending on infrastructure improvements - that are necessary. In my example, Dulles Rail is unnecessary. Rapid Bus Transit to Dulles is already in place and does the job just fine.

nemein
10-23-05, 10:19 AM
I ask the question of Red Dog, other libertarians, right-wingers, etc. - what do you propose spending public money on? You seem to be opposed to infrastructure improvements, and you're obviously opposed to social spending - what - other than defense and building that high, high fence along the border(s)?

Hogwash! -ptth- Infrastructure is needed to keep the wheels of commerce/business going. However this doesn't mean there isn't pork in some of those infrastrcture projects. Regarding the what to spend money on though I think you'll most people of the ilk you describe would prefer Gov't not have their money in the first place to spend. I know that's a foreign concept to you though ;)

grundle
10-23-05, 10:21 AM
I ask the question of Red Dog, other libertarians, right-wingers, etc. - what do you propose spending public money on?
I favor spending tax dollars on roads, bridges, sewers, police, courts, and military.

In my opinion, pork is what happens when federal tax dollars are used to pay for something in a specific city that the city itself would never pay for with its own tax dollars.

For example, that city in Alaska would never spend $200 million of its own city tax dollars to build a bridge to an island that only 50 people live on.

As another example, no city would ever spend its own city tax dollars to pay farmers not to grow food.

As another example, Boston would never spend $14 billion of its own city tax dollars to build a 7 mile Big Dig that was full of leaks.

People in a city hate to waste their own city's tax dollars. But they love to spend tax dollars that come from the federal government.

Red Dog
10-23-05, 10:26 AM
I favor spending tax dollars on roads, bridges, sewers, police, courts, and military.

In my opinion, pork is what happens when federal tax dollars are used to pay for something in a specific city that the city itself would never pay for with its own tax dollars.

For example, that city in Alaska would never spend $200 million of its own city tax dollars to build a bridge to an island that only 50 people live on.

As another example, no city would ever spend its own city tax dollars to pay farmers not to grow food.

As another example, Boston would never spend $14 billion of its own city tax dollars to build a 7 mile Big Dig that was full of leaks.

People in a city hate to waste their own city's tax dollars. But they love to spend tax dollars that come from the federal government.


That's why if I have to pay X amount of total tax dollars, I would far prefer to pay much more to the state than the feds (and obvously reduce the role of the federal govt). The closer to home tax dollars go, the more efficiently the money will be spent.

classicman2
10-23-05, 10:31 AM
I've never said there wasn't waste in infracture (infrastructure) spending.

There's waste in all spending - including the one area the libertarians favor - defense spending - probably the area in which there is the most wasteful spending - the largest, by far, of the discretionary spending programs.

Permit me to add - there's waste whether its federal, state, or local.

Red Dog
10-23-05, 10:33 AM
I've never said there wasn't waste in infracture spending.

There's waste in all spending - including the one area the libertarians favor - defense spending - probably the area in which there is the most wasteful spending - the largest, by far, of the discretionary spending programs.

Permit me to add - there's waste whether its federal, state, or local.


Have you ever seen me say that defense ('defense' not 'offense' being the operative word) spending should not be reduced? For example, the BRAC - probably effected more people in my area in a negative way, but if it helps reduce waste and spending, I'm all for it.

grundle
10-24-05, 03:23 AM
I've never said there wasn't waste in infracture (infrastructure) spending.

There's waste in all spending - including the one area the libertarians favor - defense spending - probably the area in which there is the most wasteful spending - the largest, by far, of the discretionary spending programs.

Permit me to add - there's waste whether its federal, state, or local.
I favor cutting the military budget by 70%.

Red Dog
10-24-05, 06:58 PM
BTW, :thumbsup: to Senator Coburn for at least attempting to divert the funding of Senator Stevens' bridge to nowhere.

mosquitobite
10-24-05, 07:08 PM
He about gave Stephens a heart attack! :lol:

classicman2
10-24-05, 07:11 PM
It took Tom Coburn awhile, but he's beginning to piss-off the leadership. ;)

X
11-16-05, 11:26 PM
So is Ted Stevens going to resign now as he said he would?

grundle
11-17-05, 11:46 AM
So is Ted Stevens going to resign now as he said he would?
I predict that he will break his promise.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102001931.html

October 21, 2005

Sen. Ted Stevens, the veteran Alaska Republican, was dramatic in his response. "I don't kid people," Stevens roared. "If the Senate decides to discriminate against our state . . . I will resign from this body."



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/11/17/MNGF5FPI7N1.DTL

November 17, 2005

Alaska 'bridge to nowhere' funding gets nowhere

Lawmakers delete project after critics bestow derisive moniker

Duran
11-17-05, 12:39 PM
They didn't do squat. They removed the bridge project as a specific earmark, but are still giving the money to Alaska for whatever transportation project they wish.


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