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I just checked this out today. I remember reading about it last Summer when he died, but I didn't really know much else about it. It's a pretty cool documentary, made by Werner Herzog, based mostly on the 100 hours of video footage left behind by Treadwell, intercut with interviews with people who were close to him.
Whether you agree with what he was doing or not, it's a fascinating look into the 13 years Treadwell spent with the bears.
I just checked this out today. I remember reading about it last Summer when he died, but I didn't really know much else about it. It's a pretty cool documentary, made by Werner Herzog, based mostly on the 100 hours of video footage left behind by Treadwell, intercut with interviews with people who were close to him.
Whether you agree with what he was doing or not, it's a fascinating look into the 13 years Treadwell spent with the bears.
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I consider Herzog to be one of the greatest living directors and all the reviews I've read so far have been very positive, so I'll definitely have to check this out. Sadly it doesn't come out here in Utah until September 16th.
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saw this last night. it is not the film advertised in the trailer. this is an examination of a failed actor feeling rejected by society that let his good intentions for the bears build into a narcissistic obsession that eventually destroyed him. do not go into this expecting a film that will validate a sense of universal harmony between man and nature. this is about nature's hostility and indifference.
and if you can help it, see this with as small an audience as possible (or wait for the DVD) because the people interviewed are, frankly, a bunch of oddballs, causing alot of inappropriate laughter in a large audience.
and if you can help it, see this with as small an audience as possible (or wait for the DVD) because the people interviewed are, frankly, a bunch of oddballs, causing alot of inappropriate laughter in a large audience.
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I can't wait to see this for most of the reasons Cygnet mentions. If it was purely a nature movie it might bore me after awhile, but seeing how this nutball behaved for so many years around the bears makes it better than just about any fiction I could conjure up.
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Originally Posted by atlantamoi
I can't wait to see this for most of the reasons Cygnet mentions. If it was purely a nature movie it might bore me after awhile, but seeing how this nutball behaved for so many years around the bears makes it better than just about any fiction I could conjure up.
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anyway, i re-read my earlier post and realized that i was making this film look one-sided. it is more complex than that. yes, he let his love for nature blind him to the danger (or did he? you'll see what i mean), but he also tapped into something in the natural world that few people even imagine.
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Originally Posted by Cygnet74
but he also tapped into something in the natural world that few people even imagine.
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Interesting comments, not what I expected to hear about this movie. Guess I just assumed it would be a standard doc. I'm going to a screening this Wednesday and will post afterwards.
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Originally Posted by atlantamoi
Well, you have more insight since you've seen it, but ANYONE who spends that much time next to wild grizzly bears is NOT firing on all cylinders. Certainly, there is goodness in nature, but there's also quite a bit of "red tooth and claw".
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There was a very good interview with Herzog on Fresh Air a couple of weeks back about this movie. I recommend it. Still haven't seen the actual film yet.
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saw this last night. it is not the film advertised in the trailer. this is an examination of a failed actor feeling rejected by society that let his good intentions for the bears build into a narcissistic obsession that eventually destroyed him. do not go into this expecting a film that will validate a sense of universal harmony between man and nature. this is about nature's hostility and indifference.
and if you can help it, see this with as small an audience as possible (or wait for the DVD) because the people interviewed are, frankly, a bunch of oddballs, causing alot of inappropriate laughter in a large audience.
and if you can help it, see this with as small an audience as possible (or wait for the DVD) because the people interviewed are, frankly, a bunch of oddballs, causing alot of inappropriate laughter in a large audience.
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Is this movie not intended to be at all funny (even in a dark way)? I haven't seen it, but I just caught the E&R review -- they both loved it, but pointed out there's a likely intentional thread of black humor in it.
Originally Posted by Cygnet74
and if you can help it, see this with as small an audience as possible (or wait for the DVD) because the people interviewed are, frankly, a bunch of oddballs, causing alot of inappropriate laughter in a large audience.
and if you can help it, see this with as small an audience as possible (or wait for the DVD) because the people interviewed are, frankly, a bunch of oddballs, causing alot of inappropriate laughter in a large audience.
There are interviewees that are kind of wacky themselves and get some laughs. It didn't seem like awkward laughter and I didn't have a problem with people laughing, I was chuckling too.
Of course, I'd ALWAYS recommend seeing a film with as small an audience as possible, regardless of the film.
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Originally Posted by monkeyboy
Well, there were lots of moments that I think were intentional humor. Things that Treadwell himself would laugh at, I believe. There were also some moments where people laughed at things that wouldn't have been funny to him, I think. One moment gets a HUGE reaction from the crowd, at Treadwell's expense, and you have to assume that Herzog put it there knowing it'd get that reaction.
There are interviewees that are kind of wacky themselves and get some laughs. It didn't seem like awkward laughter and I didn't have a problem with people laughing, I was chuckling too.
Of course, I'd ALWAYS recommend seeing a film with as small an audience as possible, regardless of the film.
There are interviewees that are kind of wacky themselves and get some laughs. It didn't seem like awkward laughter and I didn't have a problem with people laughing, I was chuckling too.
Of course, I'd ALWAYS recommend seeing a film with as small an audience as possible, regardless of the film.
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maybe it was just my audience. there were definitely intentional laughs, but my audience laughed at everything!!! including the name of the farm he work on, the pilot singing at the end, the woman receiving treadwell's watch taken from the bear's stomach, and anything that may have tipped off on treadwell's perceived homosexuality -- and not just giggles, the whole theater erupted in laughter as though we were watching wedding crashers.
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i've noticed that people tend to laugh at things that make them uncomfortable. it's like they get confused and don't know what to do, and like sitcom-trained monkeys they rely on the old fallback: the laughtrack.
it's also a very safe thing to do, to keep it at arm's length. if you find everything funny, you cannot be vulnerable or "weak." if you laugh at something scary, or something sad, it means that it has not effected you; you are above it. i think that's really sad, personally (and now i'm going to laugh as to snuff any real emotion).
having said that, many moments in this film are very funny and absurd. i can understand a movie like this having many instances of laughter than you found inappropriate; at the same time, i bet you laughed at a thing or two someone else thought was not funny. this is that type of film. it has a rather insane, chaotic energy (and not the shallow MTV kind, obviously).
and having said all that: this is the first *great* film i've seen this year. unlike anything else you'll see. i was able to see it right after sundance and have been telling people about it ever since. unfortunately i mostly got strange looks. hopefully people can now discover it for themselves.
it's also a very safe thing to do, to keep it at arm's length. if you find everything funny, you cannot be vulnerable or "weak." if you laugh at something scary, or something sad, it means that it has not effected you; you are above it. i think that's really sad, personally (and now i'm going to laugh as to snuff any real emotion).
having said that, many moments in this film are very funny and absurd. i can understand a movie like this having many instances of laughter than you found inappropriate; at the same time, i bet you laughed at a thing or two someone else thought was not funny. this is that type of film. it has a rather insane, chaotic energy (and not the shallow MTV kind, obviously).
and having said all that: this is the first *great* film i've seen this year. unlike anything else you'll see. i was able to see it right after sundance and have been telling people about it ever since. unfortunately i mostly got strange looks. hopefully people can now discover it for themselves.
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I think he was a fool. Period.
Here is the reason. While watching the Prime Time live special, one scene stuck out for me. He let his new girlfriend sit right next to one of these bears all alone while he filmed.
If he thinks he is in control, why would he do that? If that bear wanted to, it could have ripped her to shreds before he could do anything.
Personally, I think he was irresponsible and it is a bad example to teach kids.
Here is the reason. While watching the Prime Time live special, one scene stuck out for me. He let his new girlfriend sit right next to one of these bears all alone while he filmed.
If he thinks he is in control, why would he do that? If that bear wanted to, it could have ripped her to shreds before he could do anything.
Personally, I think he was irresponsible and it is a bad example to teach kids.
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I think he was a fool. Period.
Here is the reason. While watching the Prime Time live special, one scene stuck out for me. He let his new girlfriend sit right next to one of these bears all alone while he filmed.
If he thinks he is in control, why would he do that? If that bear wanted to, it could have ripped her to shreds before he could do anything.
Personally, I think he was irresponsible and it is a bad example to teach kids.
Here is the reason. While watching the Prime Time live special, one scene stuck out for me. He let his new girlfriend sit right next to one of these bears all alone while he filmed.
If he thinks he is in control, why would he do that? If that bear wanted to, it could have ripped her to shreds before he could do anything.
Personally, I think he was irresponsible and it is a bad example to teach kids.
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I think he was a fool. Period.
If he thinks he is in control, why would he do that? If that bear wanted to, it could have ripped her to shreds before he could do anything.
If he thinks he is in control, why would he do that? If that bear wanted to, it could have ripped her to shreds before he could do anything.
I think the guy was misguided, but regardless of what his real reasons for doing this were, I believe he was trying to do a good thing. He spoke and showed his footage all over the world and no doubt had an effect on people. His girlfriend knew what she was getting into. She took a risk going out there, even more than him because they weren't familiar with her.
In the end, they were killed by a strange bear, who appeared to be starving somewhat. The mistake Treadwell made was not leaving when he was originally scheduled to leave. He was out of the wilderness and ready to board an Alaskan Air flight when he had a run in with an employee and decided not to fly out that day. Once again, his girlfriend, who admittedly was afraid of bears, decided to stay, and go back out to the grizzly maze, instead of leaving.
When it comes down to it, his awkwardness with society is probably what killed him, not his time in the wilds of Alaska. Had he flown out when he originally intended to, he'd be back out there right now.
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Originally Posted by monkeyboy
Well, it COULD have ripped her to shreds, but it didn't. Lots of bears over those 13 years COULD have ripped him to shreds, but didn't.
It was very selfish of him to try and intrude on their world.
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There was a very good interview with Herzog on Fresh Air a couple of weeks back about this movie. I recommend it. Still haven't seen the actual film yet.
I'll have to check that out, thanks for the head's up.
The screening I saw this film at: Discovery's Channel's annual Documentary Film Festival (Silverdocs) both Werner Herzog and Jewel Palovak did a post screening Q&A - which was quite fascinating in of itself.
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
My point was, if he thinks he had any type of control, he was an idiot. He didnt. The bears controlled everything. They allowed him to stay there and they eventually killed him.
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Originally Posted by Cygnet74
i think you need to see the film before making that judgement. it sounds like the special you saw was very 'selective' in the footage they showed.
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Originally Posted by Cygnet74
i think you need to see the film before making that judgement. it sounds like the special you saw was very 'selective' in the footage they showed.
I dont think the movie will change my mind, but I do plan on seeing it.
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Originally Posted by monkeyboy
Sure, he didn't have total control over them or anything, but he wasn't just some silly, unprepared fool running around with bears either.
I equate some of his behavior to Steve Irwin exposing his baby to the crocs.
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I equate some of his behavior to Steve Irwin exposing his baby to the crocs.