Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Entertainment Discussions > TV Talk
Reload this Page >

The Law Firm - Premiere (7/28)

Community
Search
TV Talk Talk about Shows on TV

The Law Firm - Premiere (7/28)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-28-05, 09:46 AM
  #1  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Directionally Challenged (for DirecTV)
Posts: 130,286
Received 617 Likes on 496 Posts
The Law Firm - Premiere (7/28)

Premieres tonight (7/28) at 9 ET on NBC.

'Law Firm' Makes Latest Reality Show Case
(Sunday, July 24 12:02 AM)
By Jay Bobbin

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - Set "The Apprentice" in a law firm and you get ... well, "The Law Firm."

Renowned for his award-winning work on fictional shows such as "Boston Legal," "The Practice" and "Ally McBeal," television producer and former attorney David E. Kelley enters the unscripted-series arena with the Thursday, July 28, premiere of his involving, slickly made NBC show. Instead of Donald Trump, noted trial lawyer Roy Black is the man-to-please who puts 12 ambitious legal eagles -- from Anika Harvey to Olivier Taillieu -- through paces and cases, with $250,000 going to the last contender standing.

As Black stresses at the show's outset, though, it's not just about the money. At the Miami firm of which he is senior partner, he tells the competitors they are expected to deal with real-life clients, judges and juries "with excellence and compassion," in matters ranging from two people's argument over dogs all the way up the legal scale to murder trials. Working in teams, the lawyers don't always see eye-to-eye on strategy - to put it very mildly.

Also the mentor of the series "Picket Fences" and "Boston Public," Kelley says overseeing "The Law Firm" was "proposed to me. When I was doing 'The Practice,' my greatest fear was that somebody was going to come along and do those kinds of stories for real and put us out of business, because it would be more compelling and interesting to see for real the same stories we were telling in fiction.

"Lo and behold, not long afterward, [fellow 'Law Firm' producers] Jay Renfroe and David Garfinkle came into my office and pitched that very thing. This just has a feeling like it was meant to be, and it's a show that I would watch, which is how my particular compass works. They were looking for someone to help champion the idea, so I came on board."

Finding actual cases for the show wasn't a simple process, Kelley notes. "We went to various arbitration banks, and the trick was to find cases where everyone concerned was willing to give the case over to our formula. That meant it would be a two-day trial, and it would be binding. Having to wait years for a trial, there are a lot of frustrated litigants out there ... plus in smaller cases, it made financial sense for them to walk the plank with us. If this is a success, we expect people to line up at the door for the second year. A lot of people who sue just want to give voice to their outrage."

Black is no stranger to television work, appearing frequently on NBC News programs as a legal analyst. "He was my first choice," Kelley maintains. "Roy is a great teacher as well as a great trial lawyer, and he loves projects where he gets to teach the law."

Indeed, Black likes being involved in "The Law Firm," since he reasons, "These young lawyers are providing better legal service than these [clients] might get otherwise. They're very engaged, and they put an enormous amount of energy and enthusiasm into the cases, which were tried very well. I can always pick apart trial skills, but as we got toward the end [of production], it was a very high level of advocacy."

While a monetary prize does go to the "Law Firm" winner, Black doesn't believe that affected the lawyers doing what lawyers would do anyway. "If you're a good lawyer," he attests, "you're more interested in winning the case than thinking about the prize. Doing the best job possible is exactly the same thing as coming out ahead in terms of the prize, but I think what really drives these lawyers is the case and the client and the desire to win. If you wanted to make a lot of money, you'd go into real estate like Donald Trump."

Black is pleased to be working with Kelley, having previously used a cross-examination from an episode of "The Practice" in a law class he teaches. "To me, that was the best of all the legal shows," Black says. "America loves trials as entertainment. It's like Court TV becoming popular; there's no script, so nobody knows how things will end. I'm hoping people will see in this show how much work lawyers do. They all think you just put on your suit, you walk into the courtroom and you're ready to go. For every hour in the courtroom, though, you're usually spending 50 hours of preparation."

Since he still makes scripted series like "Boston Legal," which returns to ABC in the fall, Kelley concedes he's of two minds about reality shows ... particularly now that he's involved in one himself.

"My problem with most reality fare," he says, "is that it exists to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and to exploit and ridicule the contestants. There are other shows -- 'American Idol' being one, and I suppose 'The Apprentice' being another -- that really give talented people a chance to excel. I think there is a place for those shows on television, and I hope we find it, too."
Old 07-28-05, 10:04 PM
  #2  
DVD Talk Hero
 
CRM114's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 42,732
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Just watched it on Tivo. Did anyone else notice that they revealed who got dismissed before it actually happened? They did the commercial for -next week's episode- before the end of tonites show. Lame.

Lame show any way you cut it.
Old 07-29-05, 07:19 AM
  #3  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 8,756
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by CRM114
Just watched it on Tivo. Did anyone else notice that they revealed who got dismissed before it actually happened? They did the commercial for -next week's episode- before the end of tonites show. .
Yep.. Was about to post that... Just kinda lame all around
Old 07-29-05, 08:17 AM
  #4  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Posts: 23,512
Received 204 Likes on 158 Posts
I am not a fan of reality TV, and when I first saw the ads for this I thought it was a pathetic attempt to blend The Apprentice with The Practice.
Old 07-29-05, 08:29 AM
  #5  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Directionally Challenged (for DirecTV)
Posts: 130,286
Received 617 Likes on 496 Posts
Originally Posted by CRM114
Just watched it on Tivo. Did anyone else notice that they revealed who got dismissed before it actually happened? They did the commercial for -next week's episode- before the end of tonites show. Lame.

That was pretty stupid. How hard is it to show the preview after the show has ended?!

Anyhow, I thought it was better than the Apprentice which got really old really fast. My wish is that they had people only a year or 2 out of law school - more potential trainwrecks. My jaw dropped the minute that one attorney asked for the remark - favorable to his client - to be stricken from the record.

Unfortunately, this show will probably not enhance people's view of the legal profession.
Old 07-29-05, 08:32 AM
  #6  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Directionally Challenged (for DirecTV)
Posts: 130,286
Received 617 Likes on 496 Posts
Oh and to the mod that edited the thread to include the date. I purposefully left the date off because I intended this thread to run for the season, since I didn't anticipate much posting in it.
Old 07-29-05, 08:36 AM
  #7  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 43,205
Received 36 Likes on 20 Posts
I agree with Red Dog -- I wasn't sure what was the point of using experienced attorneys. Sure, some of them were bad (like the two that got fired ... I mean dismissed), but most of them seemed to be competent, if not great, lawyers. Which you would expect, since they've been practicing for half a dozen years.
Old 07-29-05, 09:37 AM
  #8  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Directionally Challenged (for DirecTV)
Posts: 130,286
Received 617 Likes on 496 Posts
Elizabeth was quite attractive. Aileen wasn't too shabby either.
Old 08-01-05, 11:56 AM
  #9  
New Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Man, was I disappointed in this show. I'm a lawyer by profession, so I had some basic interest into the premise. On top of that, I'm from Cheyenne, Wyoming, where the Allen case originated (the coroner case), and I'm casual friends with the Allens. So what did we get? Lots of whining and arguing from lousy attorneys who looked like they were doing subpar work for a first year trial practice class at law school. We got to see like what-5 minutes tops of actual casework from the Allen mediation--part of one opening statement, part of two cross-examinations, part of one closing statement. That's not even as much courtroom peformance as we usually get in an episode of Boston Legal or Law & Order. You couldn't really tell who did better than who because there wasn't anything to compare. On top of that, you really miss the presentation of the case--the Allen case had a lot more detail and intrigue than was ever mentioned.

In my view, trying to stuff two cases in one show with so much emphasis on whiny, over-dramatic personalities completely killed my interest in ever watching the show again. I'm just glad that that the show compensates the case participants ("clients") well for having to be part of that messy, stupid show.

Last edited by greghjd; 08-01-05 at 11:59 AM.
Old 08-04-05, 08:57 PM
  #10  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Directionally Challenged (for DirecTV)
Posts: 130,286
Received 617 Likes on 496 Posts
I knew Roy Black wouldn't fire Olivier.

I'll miss Elizabeth's pretty face.
Old 08-04-05, 11:31 PM
  #11  
MrX
DVD Talk Hero
 
MrX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 25,809
Received 259 Likes on 195 Posts
I was waiting for the judge of the website case to call a recess so he could go jerk off to her website

Elizabeth
Old 08-04-05, 11:35 PM
  #12  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Directionally Challenged (for DirecTV)
Posts: 130,286
Received 617 Likes on 496 Posts
Originally Posted by MrX
I was waiting for the judge of the website case to call a recess so he could go jerk off to her website

Elizabeth

The judge reminded me of Justice Thomas.
Old 08-09-05, 06:53 AM
  #13  
DVD Talk Legend
 
LorenzoL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 23,722
Received 460 Likes on 373 Posts
NBC has yanked this show after 2 episodes. No word whether they will reschedule the remaining 6 episodes or air them over at Bravo.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/newswire.cgi?id=6955
Old 08-09-05, 07:15 AM
  #14  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Under a dead Ohio sky
Posts: 5,820
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LorenzoL
NBC has yanked this show after 2 episodes. No word whether they will reschedule the remaining 6 episodes or air them over at Bravo.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/newswire.cgi?id=6955
That so weak, I was actually enjoying the show.
Old 08-09-05, 07:44 AM
  #15  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Directionally Challenged (for DirecTV)
Posts: 130,286
Received 617 Likes on 496 Posts
That's pretty lame. It wasn't very good, but I was planning on watching it to the end. At least throw it on CNBC or something.
Old 08-09-05, 03:05 PM
  #16  
DVD Talk Legend
 
LorenzoL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 23,722
Received 460 Likes on 373 Posts
Zap2it confirms that it is indeed moving to Bravo:

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) Two weeks of meager ratings have caused NBC to throw the book at its summer reality series "The Law Firm."
The show, in which teams of young attorneys try binding cases and shoot for a $250,000 prize, has been yanked from the network's schedule, effective this week. The remainder of the series will air on sister cable network Bravo, which was already running repeats of the NBC episodes. Airdates for the show Bravo haven't been set.

"The Law Firm" was producer David E. Kelley's ("Boston Legal") first foray into unscripted television, and judging from viewer response to the show, it's a good thing he still has his day job. After premiering to about 5.1 million viewers on July 28, the show dipped below 4 million viewers last week, prompting the move.

None of NBC's unscripted offerings this summer -- which include the fourth "Average Joe" and "I Want to Be a Hilton" -- has averaged more than 5 million viewers per week. That's a steep drop from last summer's slate, which featured the likes of "Last Comic Standing" (8.2 million viewers) and "Who Wants to Marry My Dad?" (7.4 million).
NBC is hardly alone in misfiring this summer, though. "The Cut" has aired in three different timeslots on CBS and failed to find an audience in any of them, averaging only 4.5 million viewers. ABC's "Hooking Up" hasn't hooked audiences either, and FOX quietly shunted "The Princes of Malibu" off to the fledgling Fox Reality Channel after two weeks.

Reruns of "Will & Grace" and "Scrubs" will replace "The Law Firm" Thursday (Aug. 11). Two episodes of "Scrubs" are scheduled for the following week.
Old 08-09-05, 03:45 PM
  #17  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Newfoundland, Canada
Posts: 14,020
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I had two of these episodes saved to PVR, but I deleted them based on the horrible word of mouth. Glad I did now.
Old 08-10-05, 04:54 PM
  #18  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: 3rd Rock from the Sun
Posts: 1,785
Received 32 Likes on 14 Posts
I'm surprised by the news..... sure it wasn't all that great but it was much better than I Want To Be A Hilton or In The Cut.

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.