mingroneL1

I'm in no way trying to make plot holes, the span between III and IV explain most...but I have one question I could'nt explain away myself. Why can't any of the Jedi sense that Palp is Sidious? Or do they and just dont make it obvious? Most of the Jedi can sense that Anakin is going dark...Yoda feels Jedi dieing, as does Obi throughout the films...Vader and Yoda feel it from galaxies away. Why can't Anyone sense that palp is a Sith Lord? Does he have that much control of the force? He is a student of plagueous (sp?). Im just so confused on the subject.

Also, are there any theories that Yoda can see FAR into the future? Sure seems likes there's evidence throughout the whole series that he knows more than he alludes to. This would help explain away my previous question.

I haven't read any SW books, so this might also explain most of my questions.

Maxflier

That's a very good question.
During the movie I was also wondering how Obi-Wan could be standing so close to Dooku in that one scene when he is spying on him without Dooku being able to sense his presence.

Terrell

Because Sidious is pulling the wool over their eyes. Palpatine is an extremely powerful Sith, perhaps as powerful or moreso than any Jedi. As Yoda says in Episode II, "the dark side clouds everything." That's the answer.

Or, you could go with the obvious. If they sensed Palpatine was a Sith, there wouldn't have been a prequel trilogy. It would have been over after Episode I.

DthRdrX

Simply put, the force works in mysterious ways. One of the quirky things thrown into Star Wars is how things are usually right under everyone's nose. If you look over all 6 movies you'll see a constantly repeating theme of, "the best hiding place is in plain view."

A perfect example is Vader looking for Luke. Once he feels his presence for the first time in ANH he is looking everywhere for him. Sidious on the other hand seemed to be lost when it came to Luke.


"My son is with them .... I have felt him" - Vader

"Strange that I have not." - Sidious

Sir Talos

The Jedi admit that their ability to use the force is being hampered by the Dark side. In Attack of the Clones, Windu privately discusses this with Yoda. To paraphrase him, he says "We must tell the senate that our ability to use the force is diminished". Sidiuous is very strong in the Dark side, his ability to shroud the Jedi's view is an example. Dooku's inability to sense Obi-wan on Geonosis is just the opposite, he is comparably weak.

Also, Vader and Luke are really the only ones able to sense each other as far as I recall, this could be just a father and son thing. Obi-wan is able to sense a "great disturbance in the force" and Yoda is able to sense when Anakin is in pain, but not other peoples presence.

al_bundy

sideous is powerful and probably found a way to have a jeckyll and hyde type deal with palpantine/sideous. In public he is palpantine, but in private with maul and speaking with the separatists he is sideous. when he is palpantine he can hide his dark side half.

anakin is a wimp just like everyone says

even in the OT he is really a no one until the death star is destroyed. he takes orders from tarkin. Only in ESB does he start to command the fleet.

madcougar

I believe it was that fake mustache that the Emperor wore around the palace...

Seriously, I thought that that Palpaltine was a clone, and that Darth Sidious was controling him from afar. So much for my theory.

Josh-da-man

Sloppy writing and a faulty premise?

The problem with creating something like "The Force" is that it's something so potentially all-powerful and all-knowing that it becomes impossible to build suspense within a story if it's used to its full effect. So, within the story, it's only invoked when it's convenient to the plot.

Jackskeleton

sloppy writing? more like nitpicking fans. It's pretty clear that yoda and mace already state the obvious that the dark side can cloud and mask things.

Mr. Cinema

I've always wondered this myself about Vader taking orders from anyone else besides Sidious. It seems to me Sidious would have made sure Vader was the one in charge, even if he wasn't as strong as he could have been. He could've used the force anytime on Tarkin.

wm lopez

It's just bad writing.
That's what happens when one does a lot of cut and paste with story line.

Bluebomber

I've wondered about why he took orders from Tarkin as well. Perhaps Palpatine was just covering his own butt, making sure Vader stayed in a minor position so he never got a good chance to overthrow him.

al_bundy

I guess in those days Vader was the emperor's personal bitch for taking care of special business like hunting down stray jedi. When vader realized obi-wan was onboard he went to face him without asking permission. after tarkin's death he took over the fleet since him and the emperor probably realized there was another skywalker running around. In ESB when the droid found the base vader said skywalker was there, and only later in the movie did the emperor mention skywalker.

Mr. Cinema

In Ep. 3, after Anakin tells Mace Windu that Palpatine is a Sith, Mace does say something like "then our worst fears have come true". So it sounds as though they kinda knew, but wasn't sure.

raven56706

Thats the same impression i had... they thought that even from Episode 2

Josh-da-man

Darth Vader was the Emporer's lackey.

While the Emporer wields political power, Darth Vader is his underling that he uses to do his dirty work. He doesn't hold any kind of official position like "second-in-command" or anything; he's just a thug.

I also think that, after the events of ANH, Vader's personal and political fortunes rose because 1) The Emporer dissolved the Senate, which increased the Emporer's power and decreased his accountability (and by extension, Vaders as well), and 2) The Destruction of the Death Star killed off a lot of the military brass like Tarkin.

Which is why we see Vader working more closely with the military structure in ESB.