concert dvd's that don't over use the mtv/vertigo inducing camera work?
04-24-05, 06:22 PM
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concert dvd's that don't over use the mtv/vertigo inducing camera work?
i just wish there were more dvd's where the director/td wasn't on speed with how fast the cutting is.
hey guys it is possible to stay on a shot for more then 2 seconds
id say examples that don't use it are
dream theater live at the budokon
and
roger watters in the flesh live.
hey guys it is possible to stay on a shot for more then 2 seconds
id say examples that don't use it are
dream theater live at the budokon
and
roger watters in the flesh live.
04-25-05, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rypro 525
i just wish there were more dvd's where the director/td wasn't on speed with how fast the cutting is.
hey guys it is possible to stay on a shot for more then 2 seconds
hey guys it is possible to stay on a shot for more then 2 seconds
Glad to see you've come around to my way of thinking..
04-25-05, 08:09 PM
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04-26-05, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rogue588
04-26-05, 02:51 PM
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it's so true. in the Dimmu Borgir - World Misanthropy dvd they cut it so that it goes from the drummer to the guitarist on every beat and back again. It's that god-awful strobe effect and makes it so you can't make out what the drummer is doing and just just annoying.
04-27-05, 10:15 AM
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For sure don't buy Iron Maiden: Rock-n-Rio
SUPER cracked-out editing by none other that Steve Harris himself. Way too fast. (otherwise a great DVD).
Allison Krauss and Union Station Live is a pretty calm video scene-wise, and DTS too!
SUPER cracked-out editing by none other that Steve Harris himself. Way too fast. (otherwise a great DVD).
Allison Krauss and Union Station Live is a pretty calm video scene-wise, and DTS too!
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04-27-05, 12:17 PM
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Its not shaky, but yeah it has grain. I like that about it. It feels like the show feels when your there though. You get the feel of the show. If its to high production you can lose that. Sometimes bands have a concert shot like a movie. This is shot like a concert. I love it. Then again I am biased.
Another one that I like is Pearl Jam Tour 2000. Its called something like that.
I WANT TO GET TOM WAITS BIG TIME!!!!
Another one that I like is Pearl Jam Tour 2000. Its called something like that.
I WANT TO GET TOM WAITS BIG TIME!!!!
04-27-05, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by woofman
For sure don't buy Iron Maiden: Rock-n-Rio
SUPER cracked-out editing by none other that Steve Harris himself. Way too fast. (otherwise a great DVD).
SUPER cracked-out editing by none other that Steve Harris himself. Way too fast. (otherwise a great DVD).
04-30-05, 03:34 PM
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05-02-05, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by AeroStone
Aerosmith: You Gotta Move
05-03-05, 02:14 AM
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As I was sitting here watching a concert or two to review here (with more to follow), I was trying to figure out how to rank these. So I decided to just count the # of cuts per song. Using all the math skills I have (not much) I translated it cuts to second ratio (I think thats right). One thing to keep in mind is the tempo of the music itself. In the first review, it's George Harrison's stuff and Indian style sitar music. The tempo isn't like any typical rock band. While the second review is Linkin Park, whose tempo is rather fast, so without shock the cuts come more quickly. Anyways...here's some commentary on a few of the concerts I have and their "MTV-ness":
Concert for George - The George Harrison tribute concert a year after his death. During the first half of the concert (performance of Indian music), On the shortest song of this half, at about 3 min 10 sec. we had a total of 36 cuts or roughly a cut every 5.2 seconds. However, 9 of them were the fade/dissolve maneuver, which I found to be preferable to a straight cut. So, if we take out the fades, it came to about 7 seconds between each cut.
The second half was the performance of George's songs by various artists such as Eric Clapton, Tom Petty & Heartbreakers and of course Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr. I'd say the cuts were a drop more often in this half, but still, it never seemed to go too far. In one song that was roughly 3 minutes long there was 33 various cuts. So that works to a cut roughly a drop over every 5 1/2 seconds.
Linkin Park - Live from Texas - will it really come as any surprise to anyone that a band that's practically an MTV assembled band has more cuts per song? In one song that was 3 min 10 seconds long, I counted 104 cuts. That works out to a cut roughly every 1.8 seconds. Of course, as with any concert, keep in mind that the cuts are not evenly spaced out, so some cuts were shorter than this, while of course others were longer in duration. It's amazing though, at one point I had a hard time keeping up with this song and counting the cuts. The truly amazing thing though is that I didn't end up having a seizure.
That's it for the moment...but now that I have a "method" of figuring out how often this happens, I'll be sure to come back in and review perhaps 2 concerts a day or so. This just gives me another reason to watch all of em again!
EDIT to add: I just want to say that seeing how many cuts some of these concerts have, it makes me appreciate those bootleg-like quality videos (ie only one or two cameras present to record) just a bit more. It allows you to truly feel like you're there at the performance. Of course, I prefer overall a happy medium between the extremes of one cam/no cuts to 20 cameras tons of cuts.
Concert for George - The George Harrison tribute concert a year after his death. During the first half of the concert (performance of Indian music), On the shortest song of this half, at about 3 min 10 sec. we had a total of 36 cuts or roughly a cut every 5.2 seconds. However, 9 of them were the fade/dissolve maneuver, which I found to be preferable to a straight cut. So, if we take out the fades, it came to about 7 seconds between each cut.
The second half was the performance of George's songs by various artists such as Eric Clapton, Tom Petty & Heartbreakers and of course Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr. I'd say the cuts were a drop more often in this half, but still, it never seemed to go too far. In one song that was roughly 3 minutes long there was 33 various cuts. So that works to a cut roughly a drop over every 5 1/2 seconds.
Linkin Park - Live from Texas - will it really come as any surprise to anyone that a band that's practically an MTV assembled band has more cuts per song? In one song that was 3 min 10 seconds long, I counted 104 cuts. That works out to a cut roughly every 1.8 seconds. Of course, as with any concert, keep in mind that the cuts are not evenly spaced out, so some cuts were shorter than this, while of course others were longer in duration. It's amazing though, at one point I had a hard time keeping up with this song and counting the cuts. The truly amazing thing though is that I didn't end up having a seizure.
That's it for the moment...but now that I have a "method" of figuring out how often this happens, I'll be sure to come back in and review perhaps 2 concerts a day or so. This just gives me another reason to watch all of em again!
EDIT to add: I just want to say that seeing how many cuts some of these concerts have, it makes me appreciate those bootleg-like quality videos (ie only one or two cameras present to record) just a bit more. It allows you to truly feel like you're there at the performance. Of course, I prefer overall a happy medium between the extremes of one cam/no cuts to 20 cameras tons of cuts.
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05-03-05, 09:31 AM
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another great concert with not too many cuts is the pearl jam live at msg dvd. they just sometimes hold the camera there and let the action happen.
05-04-05, 12:28 AM
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Was watching another concert DVD: Opeth: Lamentations which has a wonderful sound to it...and while the math works it to a cut about every 3.4 seconds, it doesn't feel rushed. The reason is of course that's not evenly spaced out cuts. During the quieter parts of the songs, the cuts are spaced further apart, but as the song reaches a crescendo (sp?) the cuts seem to match the tempo.
05-04-05, 08:42 AM
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Aimee Mann's "Live at St. Ann's Warehouse" comes immediately to mind. A decent amount of extras, including a CD of many of the songs, make it highly recommended.