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PopcornTreeCt
09-22-04, 01:48 PM
Anyone know of any political films that have a positive conservative message? Big films, small films whatever, would just like to hear about some. Please don't start a debate here.

DJLinus
09-22-04, 02:59 PM
This list is 10 years old and seems to deal more with movies with conservative themes, rather than overtly political movies. Anyway...

National Review's Best Conservative Movies (http://www.nationalreview.com/conservative_movies/conservative_movies.shtml)

Hiro11
09-22-04, 03:05 PM
I would add "Big Wednesday" to that list. For all the drunken fights, drugs and draft dodging, the movie is really about conservative ideals like honor, assuming responsibility and being loyal to your friends. Even though it's got a hefty dose of macho-mythology, it's still great stuff.

Note: I'm not implying that those ideals are solely the domain of conservatives, but you know. Whatever, watch the movie, you'll see what I mean about it being fairly conservative.

JoebobX
09-22-04, 03:20 PM
Eschewing the exact focus of politics, for a moment, I still think the STRAIGHT STORY is the most conservative film of the last 25 years. A model for some enterprising filmmaker to follow and lead us out of this cultural morass . . .

Odd that David Lynch should be the most conservative of the recentmajor directors. No, he's not such, but he has his moments . . .

I'll beat you haters to the punch and suggest that all his rooting around in the 50s is not solely ironic. Perhaps I'm optomistic, yes, but I want to believe, and sometimes that's good enough.

Jazzbutcher
09-22-04, 03:21 PM
Just took a quick look at that list. I am wondering how "How Green Was My Valley" constitutes a conservative film. Unless we are talking about the mine owners.

JoebobX
09-22-04, 03:23 PM
Boy some of those choices on that national review list are odd . . . Of course, most are old movies, depressingly. Ghostbusters? Rambo: Part II?
CARNAL KNOWLEDGE?????

Groucho
09-22-04, 03:24 PM
I've seen most of the movies on that list, and really most of them espouse conservative values as opposed to conservative politics.

sauce07
09-22-04, 03:32 PM
Forrest Gump
Most conservative movie ever

ToddSm66
09-22-04, 03:41 PM
http://www.citizensunited-interactive.org/c41.11/

Abranut
09-22-04, 03:44 PM
Birth of a Nation

nodeerforamonth
09-22-04, 04:15 PM
There's a new one coming out on DVD put out by two guys I saw on the O'Reilly Factor that actually shows the brutality of Saddam Hussein and his regime (something we all have forgotten lately). They were both admitted conservatives.

Team America may be another one.

xDareDevilx
09-22-04, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by nodeerforamonth
There's a new one coming out on DVD put out by two guys I saw on the O'Reilly Factor that actually shows the brutality of Saddam Hussein and his regime (something we all have forgotten lately). They were both admitted conservatives.

Team America may be another one.

I saw that on O'Reilly. One guy was an admitted conservative, the other is a moderate Republican. Good joke abotu Team America.

There is also a movie being made about the liberal bias in universities/colleges. The guy has made a 45 minute version of it so far that he is using to gain funding for his full length feature he wants to release in theatres in 2005. Check out the article about it here:
http://www.brain-terminal.com/video/brainwashing-101.html

and then info about the movie as well as a link to download the 45 minute version here:

http://academicbias.com/bw101.html

It's really cool looking, the end of the video is great!

nodeerforamonth
09-22-04, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by xDareDevilx
Good joke abotu Team America.


??? I wasn't joking. Matt Stone & Trey Parker seem pretty conservative to me. I probably shouldn't have mentioned it, as it's not out yet and I haven't seen it yet.

JoebobX
09-22-04, 08:08 PM
Those gentlemen might be right-leaning or liberatrian in some of thier politics (if only to be different.) I don't know who'd call them "conservative." They do a lot of things seemingly for shock value. I appreciate thier willingness to be Un P.C.. but . . .

Of course, I'm not the arbitrator of labels. Labels don't mean much, anyway. George Bush might be today's "conservative", when in fact, he's more liberal than yesterday's liberal. This has nothing to do with movies, of course.

Jason
09-22-04, 08:18 PM
Trey and Matt might be right leaning libertarians, but anybody who would produce "That's My Bush" is not a 'conservative'.

I think Team America will be an equal opportunity offender.

JoebobX
09-22-04, 08:20 PM
Now I'll take the opposite argument and suggest that "That's my Bush" wasn't so harsh on Bush as it was on generic sitcom formula. Actually, I thought it was cute satire more than anything so biting.

Mr. Salty
09-22-04, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by Jason
Trey and Matt might be right leaning libertarians, but anybody who would produce "That's My Bush" is not a 'conservative'.

Actually, back when the show debuted Matt and Trey said they had a version of the show ready to go no matter who won the election. As Joebob X wrote, the show was designed as a sitcom formula, which would have fit Gore or Bush either one.

On topic, I'll go with "Rambo," any of the "Death Wish" movies, "Triumph of the Will," or "Red Dawn."

JoebobX
09-22-04, 09:05 PM
"Triumph of the Will"? "Birth of a Nation"? Come on guys . . .

RyoHazuki
09-22-04, 09:16 PM
Did you miss the memo which stated that all conservatives are Nazis?

wendersfan
09-22-04, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by DJLinus
This list is 10 years old and seems to deal more with movies with conservative themes, rather than overtly political movies. Anyway...

National Review's Best Conservative Movies (http://www.nationalreview.com/conservative_movies/conservative_movies.shtml) They think The Bicycle Thief is a conservative movie? It's quite clearly a Marxist movie.

As for conservative movies, I'd go with High Noon, Red Dawn, and most John Wayne movies from the 60s...

JoebobX
09-22-04, 10:05 PM
I like the suggestion National Review makes of TENDER MERCIES and I'd add another Horton Foote movie A TRIP TO BOUNTIFUL.

PopcornTreeCt
09-22-04, 11:12 PM
That list is somewhat interesting. I don't totally agree with it though. But there aren't any real conservative political films are there?

Rockmjd23
09-22-04, 11:34 PM
it seems as though there are quite a few films that display conservative values, but thats different from conservative politics. none come to mind, but how many contemporary directors are conservative activists? wouldnt think too many...hopefully people will keep their own views out of this thread lol

DealMan
09-23-04, 01:34 AM
Network
The American President
Saved! (not really politics but religion)
Nixon

Count Dooku
09-23-04, 01:58 AM
Anyone know of any political films that have a positive conservative message?

Maybe the best place to start is just coming up with a list of "political films" .

Then, you can debate on a case by case basis whether the film has a "positive conservative message".

Mr Smith Goes To Washington is undeniably a political film.

Some might say that it espouses a liberal message simply because the villain is a rich businessman.

I say it is conservative because even though it points out how govt can be corrupted by the rich and powerful, it's solution is not radical change --or change of any kind.
It's ultimate message is "Don't worry you poor and disenfranchised, everything works out in the end. The system works. The status quo is fine."

wm lopez
09-23-04, 02:27 AM
No way THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT!!

DIRTY HARRY
WALKING TALL (1973)
THE GODFATHER

Hokeyboy
09-23-04, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by wm lopez
No way THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT!! Agreed. Someone was way off the mark on this one.THE GODFATHER Explain.

HistoryProf
09-23-04, 06:42 PM
The Green Berets. Any other John Wayne War film.

Talkin2Phil
09-23-04, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Salty
any of the "Death Wish" movies,

vigilantism? explain please

wm lopez
09-24-04, 02:28 AM
Well, on THE GODFATHER.
The movie has old fashion vaules of honor, family togetherness.
It has a message of family 1st.

On DEATH WISH.
The Bronson character is a liberal who changes his liberal beliefs when his family is attacked. Now he has no pity for the robbers,rapists & thieves as liberals do.

Talkin2Phil
09-24-04, 11:25 AM
Well, I am going to state some conservative political positions and Iím asking if there are movies that address them:

Pro-military, pro-USA, anti-communism- this genre is well represented

Religious values/themes- again well represented (although I donít believe that being religious is necessary a conservative or liberal position- obviously the argument can be made that Jesus was quite the liberal- just asked yourself WWJD in the Death Wish movies)

Conservative family values- again well represented

Pro-business/ pro market economy-?

Reducing one's tax burden- not a very exciting premise for a movie

Abortion: Alfie dealt with this issue (I doubt that the remake will)

Groucho
09-24-04, 11:34 AM
On Abortion, what about Listen to Me (the debate team movie). I haven't seen it, but I doubt Kirk Cameron would appear in a movie that ultimately espouses a pro-choice view.

How about the death penalty? Only one I can think of is Dead Man Walking...while this is clearly a liberal anti-dp film made by liberals, I did think it did a good job of representing the other side even if ultimately it didn't agree with it.

Talkin2Phil
09-24-04, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by Groucho


How about the death penalty?

what about The Life of David Gale did anone see this movie?

wm lopez
09-25-04, 02:09 AM
The BILLY JACK movies (4 of them) are the best example of liberal movies that even a conservative can enjoy.

drjay
09-25-04, 04:26 AM
Originally posted by DealMan
Saved! (not really politics but religion)
Really? I thought Saved! to be a terribly leftist movie (not that I disagree with it), that is toally against such groups as the Christian Coalition, etc.

movielib
09-25-04, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by Talkin2Phil
...
Pro-business/ pro market economy-?
Other People's Money
Working Girl

(Both films, especially the former, have an untypical for Hollywood understanding of business and the market and are able to distinguish between the ethical and unethical.)
Reducing one's tax burden- not a very exciting premise for a movie
Harry's War (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082503/)

(A little seen film about the excesses of the IRS; better than its 5.2 rating at IMDb.)

Talkin2Phil
09-25-04, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by wm lopez
Well, on THE GODFATHER.
The movie has old fashion vaules of honor, family togetherness.
It has a message of family 1st.



I guess one out the ten commandments is a start

cfmartin3
09-26-04, 12:21 AM
Pro-family, Anti-abortion:

A Raisin in the Sun

IanH
09-26-04, 01:44 AM
More recent films:


The Patriot (Mel Gibson)

The Passion of the Christ

Braveheart

The Lord of the Rings (for the same reasons Star Wars Trilogy was mentioned in the National Review article above. Though like all great mythologies its used by both the political Right and Left all the way to extremists like White Aryan Nations to members of ELF to push their agendas)

Saving Private Ryan

Julie Walker
09-26-04, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by JoebobX
"Triumph of the Will"? "Birth of a Nation"? Come on guys . . .


The Eternal Jew

:D

Count Dooku
09-26-04, 07:22 AM
I'm gonna ask this, just because I want to see how ridiculous the answer will be...

How is The Passion of The Christ a political film and/or a film with a conservative message?

Giantrobo
09-26-04, 07:25 AM
It seems silly but apparently...

Conservative = Religious. Well, I think one can be conservative without being religious and so can movies.

Julie Walker
09-26-04, 04:58 PM
I don't follow organized religion and liked The Passion.

Stylistically it was a beautifully shot film with impressive scope. While thematically,it was a powerful experiance since the visuals and audio told the story,than mere words explaining it all to you.


Also on the entire liberal vs conservative thingy.

Look at it this way...Jesus is pretty liberal minded,the people in power that are against him are conservative. They want to stay in power and control and oppress people. Jesus wants to 'free' people and evolve society,while the conservatives in power want to keep things the same with no change. So they torture and punish those who think otherwise in order to keep others in their place. Don't dare speak out or question authority,or you will be executed slowly!

Also while the nazi propoganda pictures and Birth of a Nation were used humorously. When you think about it. The metaphor is not too far off when you look at the state of politics today.


Liberal does not mean 'evil' 'dirty' 'sinnful' and whatever nasty things conservatives want you to think. They thrive on ignorance. So with their control of the media(there is no 'liberal media',that is a myth)...they can spread whatever propoganda they wish. So if enough people start deriding liberals. Soon people will look at liberals badly. Yet if you actually used some common sense and looked up the word in the dictionary. Liberal means open minded and tolerant. Everything the conservative is not.

Of course just because you are 'liberal',does not mean you are open to everything..which conservatives constantly bring up too turn the tables on them.

For example,regarding gay marriage,that is why conservatives always bring up pedophilia,beastiality and other harmful things...which no one in their right mind would 'ok' in order to turn the debate into a 'if you allow this,you must allow that,or you are a hypocrite'..when they seem to forget a thing called common sense.

So basically it all comes down to using common sense and what is best for society(ie-it helps,not harms society...thus beastiality and such will never be allowed legally)...over what is best for some fear mongers trying to keep in power by feeding off the ignorance of others.


So in regards to the nazi propoganda pieces...............

Triumph of the Will.....ahhh the nazi party looks so innocent and something that will help society positively. Hitler seems like such a great leader. A vote for him is a vote for equality and healthy living!

but soon,once they gain power,uh oh,their real intentions begin to show,which leads to

The Eternal Jew a crude piece of hate propoganda,that did work in brainwashing the masses that jews were vile and evil and deserved to be slaughtered. Either you follow us,or end up like them!..again fear keeps people in power.


So it is not far off comparing the rights spinning of the media into making them look good,and everyone/thing they disagree with look vile and evil(and how they may say one thing,but do the opposite). If you watch enough of it without thinking and looking into the issues yourselves. You eventually will believe what they are telling you...and anyone who disagrees/thinks otherwise should be watched suspisciously and looked down upon.

Afterall,belonging to a group is better than being left all by your lonesome,..but then looked what happened with the nazi party..and political parties in general are no better.



Something to think about:D

JoebobX
09-26-04, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Julie Walker
I don't follow organized religion and liked The Passion.

Stylistically it was a beautifully shot film with impressive scope. While thematically,it was a powerful experiance since the visuals and audio told the story,than mere words explaining it all to you.


Also on the entire liberal vs conservative thingy.

Look at it this way...Jesus is pretty liberal minded,the people in power that are against him are conservative. They want to stay in power and control and oppress people. Jesus wants to 'free' people and evolve society,while the conservatives in power want to keep things the same with no change. So they torture and punish those who think otherwise in order to keep others in their place. Don't dare speak out or question authority,or you will be executed slowly!

Also while the nazi propoganda pictures and Birth of a Nation were used humorously. When you think about it. The metaphor is not too far off when you look at the state of politics today.

[Snipped]

Something to think about:D

Now the hatred in your heart is naked.

Your comments are way off, thank you, and WAY OUT OF LINE. I'll appreciate it if you DON'T call me a Nazi. If you don't generalize and stereotype and label and dismiss and SHOW YOUR PREDUJICE.

Sigh. And the thread was so civil . . . None of this anything to do with movies. Let the record show that we were actually having a fine conversation about movies until your bigotry reared its head.

As for your argument that certain things will never be allowed, like some eternal secular common sense that guides the universe, well, I only need point out that the ACLU has defended NAMBLA.

And Hitler was a pagan, not a Christian.

Absolutely nothing to think about.

Julie Walker
09-26-04, 05:47 PM
Well it does have to do with films. Discussing conservative themes and themes of the films brought up.


In that regard media manipulation for political gain are an important aspect to todays media....and Triumph of the WIll which was brought up earlier is an important piece of political propoganda,which shows how people can be lead astray by what they see & hear...and how it contradicts the true intentions of the party in question.


So the metaphor is not far off and should be looked at civily with an open mind. Do you follow your party without question? Or do you stop and think,and to look at the facts before taking sides?

But how can you do that when the news media is conservative controlled and skewered?

Thus you have to think outside the box and dare to ask questions and find the real facts...before forming an opinion.


Yet if you fail to do that and only believe what your party tells you in their ads,interviews and rallies since that is all that is out there..and anyone who thinks otherwise is immediately condemnded and shunned away.

It is not much different than being lead astray like in Triumph of the Will into believing the nazi party was a good thing.

JoebobX
09-26-04, 05:53 PM
God, your thinking is so simplistic!

It's a total and absolute threadcrap. Even if the media were slanted to the right, (HAHAHAHAHAHA) then media manipulation still has nothing to do with any specifically conservative principles whatsoever. THE NAZIS WERE NOT CONSERVATIVES. In fact, they were socialists, and they were completly secular and anti-religion. (Sound familiar?) Nor, in fact, do conservative principles necessarily even have anything to do with a specific political party. Certainly mine don't. And I didn't see anything in this thread implying the Republican party before you brought them up.

Do us a favor and don't intrude where you know nothing about the subject. I wouldn't bother posting in the thousands of threads dedicated to liberal movies - err . . . that's 99% of them.

You basically refered to conservatives as Nazis. Typical attitude, predictable, studied, and boring. I saw it all through college.

But I doubt you intend to apoligize for your bigotry and prejudice.

It needed to be said, but now we're WAY off the subject.

Rockmjd23
09-26-04, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by Julie Walker
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But how can you do that when the news media is conservative controlled and skewered?
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rotfl

Dead
09-26-04, 10:16 PM
Given that this thread has degenerated to political slander, I'm closing it.


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