Star Wars DVD Changes/Lack of OT Disussion part II
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Josh? re: the chances of another SW thread maintaining a shred of civility...
"May the Force Be With You".
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Wow - a Star Wars thread closed for bickering? I never thought I'd see the day!
How does it change him? Han is still a "Wont go into the detention block without a reward" kind of guy. He still ups and leaves the rebels in the lurch until his furry Jiminy Cricket tells hin to go back. The character is the still the same at the core.
My only complaint with the scene was that it looked like shit. If they've cleaned it up so it doesnt look like ass, then I have no problem with it. And yes, I'm in the saw-it-in-the-theater-in-77 demographic you mention.
Shocking, isnt it.
Originally posted by flyboy
Hey all I was saying is that it does change the character and it is an important issue to alot of fans who hold this film dear..such as myself. It seems that most us who hate the changes are from the generation who saw this film in 1977 as a 10-15 year old.
Hey all I was saying is that it does change the character and it is an important issue to alot of fans who hold this film dear..such as myself. It seems that most us who hate the changes are from the generation who saw this film in 1977 as a 10-15 year old.
My only complaint with the scene was that it looked like shit. If they've cleaned it up so it doesnt look like ass, then I have no problem with it. And yes, I'm in the saw-it-in-the-theater-in-77 demographic you mention.
Shocking, isnt it.
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There's only 3 changes I do not like about the upcoming releases:
1. Dialog changes (why change? the dialog was pretty good as it was).
2. Shaw being replaced in ROTJ.
3. Gunguns back in ROTJ
1. Dialog changes (why change? the dialog was pretty good as it was).
2. Shaw being replaced in ROTJ.
3. Gunguns back in ROTJ
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Originally posted by Fok
There's only 3 changes I do not like about the upcoming releases:
1. Dialog changes (why change? the dialog was pretty good as it was).
2. Shaw being replaced in ROTJ.
3. Gunguns back in ROTJ
There's only 3 changes I do not like about the upcoming releases:
1. Dialog changes (why change? the dialog was pretty good as it was).
2. Shaw being replaced in ROTJ.
3. Gunguns back in ROTJ
2. Doesn't really bother me. It's about 10 seconds and the end of a 12-hour saga.
3. "Back"? They were never there. Maybe you mean "added"? Anyway, not bothered by it too. Go get a drink when it comes up. Read the insert or something. It's not like it lingers there forever.
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You know, I was just watching TESB the other night, and it occurred to me that something was missing. The Empire's attack on Hoth seems awfully small-scale to me. I mean, just a few Imperial Walkers against the Rebel Base? What's up with that???
I'm hoping this scene is completely redone for the DVD. I want to see CGI AT-ATs as far back to the horizon as technology allows. I want to see all sorts of crazy-looking vehicles. Ships that look like giant bugs fly close to the ground, drop futuristic tanks into the snow, then stormtroopers pour out of these vehicles while riding rocket-powered unicycles. Maybe throw in lots of vehicles that look like they ride on giant hula hoops for no real reason except they look neat. And for crying out loud - more explosions! I may want to see this stuff, but even more importantly, I want to see this stuff BLOW UP!
Just look at the Episode II battle on Geonosis. That supposedly took place a generation earlier. The Hoth battle doesn't even compare.
Oh, and I just realized James Earl Jones sounds NOTHING like Hayden Christiansen. I think those lines need to be redubbed.
I'm hoping this scene is completely redone for the DVD. I want to see CGI AT-ATs as far back to the horizon as technology allows. I want to see all sorts of crazy-looking vehicles. Ships that look like giant bugs fly close to the ground, drop futuristic tanks into the snow, then stormtroopers pour out of these vehicles while riding rocket-powered unicycles. Maybe throw in lots of vehicles that look like they ride on giant hula hoops for no real reason except they look neat. And for crying out loud - more explosions! I may want to see this stuff, but even more importantly, I want to see this stuff BLOW UP!
Just look at the Episode II battle on Geonosis. That supposedly took place a generation earlier. The Hoth battle doesn't even compare.
Oh, and I just realized James Earl Jones sounds NOTHING like Hayden Christiansen. I think those lines need to be redubbed.
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Oh, and I just realized James Earl Jones sounds NOTHING like Hayden Christiansen. I think those lines need to be redubbed.
Oh, and I just realized James Earl Jones sounds NOTHING like Hayden Christiansen. I think those lines need to be redubbed.
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Forget Lucas ans Star Wars lets turn this into a Josh Hickle bash fest. From now on we type his name Jo$h and....
On second thought no.
Actually I think these threads have been a lot of fun to read. I'm not really one to argue over Star Wars, but there has been plenty of good information and opinions to read even if things get derailed on occasion with pure angry nonsense.
I'm still of the opinion though that a film is a work of art and should never be altered in any way from its original theatrical release unless it includes a Mike Nelson commentary track. Then all bets are off.
On second thought no.
Actually I think these threads have been a lot of fun to read. I'm not really one to argue over Star Wars, but there has been plenty of good information and opinions to read even if things get derailed on occasion with pure angry nonsense.
I'm still of the opinion though that a film is a work of art and should never be altered in any way from its original theatrical release unless it includes a Mike Nelson commentary track. Then all bets are off.
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Originally posted by rennervision
You know, I was just watching TESB the other night, and it occurred to me that something was missing. The Empire's attack on Hoth seems awfully small-scale to me. I mean, just a few Imperial Walkers against the Rebel Base? What's up with that???
Just look at the Episode II battle on Geonosis. That supposedly took place a generation earlier. The Hoth battle doesn't even compare.
You know, I was just watching TESB the other night, and it occurred to me that something was missing. The Empire's attack on Hoth seems awfully small-scale to me. I mean, just a few Imperial Walkers against the Rebel Base? What's up with that???
Just look at the Episode II battle on Geonosis. That supposedly took place a generation earlier. The Hoth battle doesn't even compare.
It was lopsided to begin with--no need to make it even more so.
The battle of Geonosis consisted of two full-fledged armies fighting. That's very different than an empire-wide army going after a few rebel-against-the-government liberal hippies hiding in a cave.
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Originally posted by rennervision
You know, I was just watching TESB the other night, and it occurred to me that something was missing. The Empire's attack on Hoth seems awfully small-scale to me. I mean, just a few Imperial Walkers against the Rebel Base? What's up with that???
I'm hoping this scene is completely redone for the DVD. I want to see CGI AT-ATs as far back to the horizon as technology allows. I want to see all sorts of crazy-looking vehicles. Ships that look like giant bugs fly close to the ground, drop futuristic tanks into the snow, then stormtroopers pour out of these vehicles while riding rocket-powered unicycles. Maybe throw in lots of vehicles that look like they ride on giant hula hoops for no real reason except they look neat. And for crying out loud - more explosions! I may want to see this stuff, but even more importantly, I want to see this stuff BLOW UP!
Just look at the Episode II battle on Geonosis. That supposedly took place a generation earlier. The Hoth battle doesn't even compare.
You know, I was just watching TESB the other night, and it occurred to me that something was missing. The Empire's attack on Hoth seems awfully small-scale to me. I mean, just a few Imperial Walkers against the Rebel Base? What's up with that???
I'm hoping this scene is completely redone for the DVD. I want to see CGI AT-ATs as far back to the horizon as technology allows. I want to see all sorts of crazy-looking vehicles. Ships that look like giant bugs fly close to the ground, drop futuristic tanks into the snow, then stormtroopers pour out of these vehicles while riding rocket-powered unicycles. Maybe throw in lots of vehicles that look like they ride on giant hula hoops for no real reason except they look neat. And for crying out loud - more explosions! I may want to see this stuff, but even more importantly, I want to see this stuff BLOW UP!
Just look at the Episode II battle on Geonosis. That supposedly took place a generation earlier. The Hoth battle doesn't even compare.
I'd still love to see a short scene showing the actual landing of the assault force. Something similar to the Trade Federation landing scene in The Phantom Menace on Naboo.
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Is this the same George Lucas who argued before Congress in the 1980's against altering films?
"By leaving the special effects intact, it puts it in a context where you can appreciate it for what it was." (paraphrasing, I know...he was referring to leaving films in black and white instead of Turnerizing them. But the sentiment is the same.)
"By leaving the special effects intact, it puts it in a context where you can appreciate it for what it was." (paraphrasing, I know...he was referring to leaving films in black and white instead of Turnerizing them. But the sentiment is the same.)
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Gunguns back in ROTJ
Now, if he would have had Jar-Jar 10 feet from the camera screaming "WEESA FREE", then I'd have a problem. But the gungans are barely noticeable and the "WEESA FREE" dialogue is in the background. You can hear it, but's it not a loud cheer that drowns out all of the cheering.
Is this the same George Lucas who argued before Congress in the 1980's against altering films?
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Originally posted by Terrell
That scene in my opinion, does nothing to hurt the ending of ROTJ.
That scene in my opinion, does nothing to hurt the ending of ROTJ.
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Originally posted by rennervision
Yeah, but look at it like this - Jar Jar now has the absolute last spoken line in the entire Star Wars series.
Yeah, but look at it like this - Jar Jar now has the absolute last spoken line in the entire Star Wars series.
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Let's face it ....the Lucas who directed American Graffiti and Star Wars (1977) is no longer with us ...
Why is anyone surprised he's tinkered with the original trilogy after the abomination of the last 2 Star Wars films ?
Why is anyone surprised he's tinkered with the original trilogy after the abomination of the last 2 Star Wars films ?
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Yeah, but look at it like this - Jar Jar now has the absolute last spoken line in the entire Star Wars series.
Why is anyone surprised he's tinkered with the original trilogy after the abomination of the last 2 Star Wars films ?
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Originally posted by vegasbaby
Why is anyone surprised he's tinkered with the original trilogy after the abomination of the last 2 Star Wars films ?
Why is anyone surprised he's tinkered with the original trilogy after the abomination of the last 2 Star Wars films ?
Originally posted by Terrell
Um, that's not necessarily Jar-Jar.
Um, that's not necessarily Jar-Jar.
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Yeah, but I secretly hope it is. I love the idea of the gigantic F' you from Lucas.
-not offering the original, unaltered versions despite large consumer petitions
dude, this release IS the big "F__K You!"
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Originally posted by ckolchak
-deviating from an established format of 2 discs per film
-not offering the original, unaltered versions despite large consumer petitions
dude, this release IS the big "F__K You!"
-deviating from an established format of 2 discs per film
-not offering the original, unaltered versions despite large consumer petitions
dude, this release IS the big "F__K You!"