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09-05-03, 09:35 AM
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Unfortunately, no. Marketing on this has been slow to almost nothing. I did see the trailer prior to Wrong turn, F vs. J, and 28 Days Later. I also seen some TV spots. Looks interesting.
I'll post a review here after I see it Saturday.
I'm surprised that not Fangoria posted a review.
I'll post a review here after I see it Saturday.
I'm surprised that not Fangoria posted a review.
09-05-03, 11:23 AM
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My local paper says, "not screened for critics". Maybe that's the reason? In any case, I'm intrigued and will probably catch it sometime during its run.
09-05-03, 11:29 AM
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Watching the trailer (which at any point could have said "Stigmata 2: Electric Boogaloo" and I wouldn't have been surprised), I kept thinking; 'These are the best bits they're showing us now. Right?'
It does look terrible, but I'll give Helgeland a chance. This guy wrote LA Confidential, for Christ's sake, and made A Knight's Tale far more enjoyable than it had any right to be.
It does look terrible, but I'll give Helgeland a chance. This guy wrote LA Confidential, for Christ's sake, and made A Knight's Tale far more enjoyable than it had any right to be.
09-05-03, 05:44 PM
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Not Screened for critics? Wow, that's just harsh. It almost always means bad things. I can't believe Helgeland would do something that bad. I guess I can hold up a glimmer of hope.
09-05-03, 05:54 PM
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I would have gone to see it if they hadn't changed
the title from "The Sin Eater" to this crap.
oh well i'm sure it sucks if it's not being screened
in advance.
they just wanna capitalize on a Heath Ledger opening
weekend.
the title from "The Sin Eater" to this crap.
oh well i'm sure it sucks if it's not being screened
in advance.
they just wanna capitalize on a Heath Ledger opening
weekend.
09-05-03, 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Frank TJ Mackey
I would have gone to see it if they hadn't changed
the title from "The Sin Eater" to this crap.
I would have gone to see it if they hadn't changed
the title from "The Sin Eater" to this crap.
09-05-03, 08:00 PM
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"Sin-Eater" is a Marvel Comics character or something, so the name was changed. Although a smarter name change would have been to "Don't see this, really".
Yeah, I'm just back from it. And amid the amount of false intrigue, bland characters, creepy buildings (it's ROME! They're... OLD! Old is CREEPY, right?) and just plain silly twaddle being spouted back-and-forth in exposition that sounds like Matrix Reloaded outtakes, there's the most barren, uninvolving, cliched plot.
Here's me watching the film:
Sad, really. It had the concept for a great film and certainly had the talent for it. What happened?
Yeah, I'm just back from it. And amid the amount of false intrigue, bland characters, creepy buildings (it's ROME! They're... OLD! Old is CREEPY, right?) and just plain silly twaddle being spouted back-and-forth in exposition that sounds like Matrix Reloaded outtakes, there's the most barren, uninvolving, cliched plot.
Here's me watching the film:
- Oh, it's dark. Heath Ledger is obviously a tortured soul, because he hasn't shaved.
- CARDINAL BUCKAROO BANZAI: "You must go to Rome, Heath, since you are the last member of THE ORDER."
AUDIENCE: "What, so all that thing in the ads about 'the order will find you' was absolute bollocks?"
- Shannyn Sossamon shows up. She does nothing, as he will continue to do for the film's remainder.
- MARK ADDY: "Yo-ho-ho, I am the jovial Irish priest. Ho-ho-ho."
HEATH LEDGER: "Shhh, I'm trying to be dark and brooding."
MARK ADDY: "Oh, I see. I shall then shut up for the rest of the film and do nothing that warrants my presence in this film."
- Heath Ledger, action-movie priest: "It was demon spawn manifested in the guise of children. Nothing I couldn't handle."
- Ah, here's the underground EVIL order. We know they're evil, because they all wear black bags on their heads, they have a bald mute woman and they're playing techno music very loud.
- Hey, it's the german guy from The Princess & The Warrior! But he's a deep, involving character that you feel compassion for despite the things he does. Instead of making you care about the film, his appearance just clarifies how bad the rest of it is.
- Wow, this film is nothing like the trailer. That's surprising. Instead its just plain boring.
- BENNO FURMANN: "Let's talk rubbish for an hour."
HEATH LEDGER: "Alright, as long as I get to be dark and brooding".
- Ah! It's sin leaving the body! And when sin leaves the body, it looks like jellyfish and fishing wire.
- Shannyn Sossamon still serves no purpose whatsoever.
- BENNO FURMANN: "Raaar! I shall bark cryptic diaologue at various people! If they're not scared, they'll be confused."
- Ah, it's exactly like the trailer after all. Damn.
- Shannyn Sossamon actually realizes she's in the film and gets to be part of the plot, though her presence still isn't justified.
- Villain: "Since you're about to die anyway, I shall tell you the entire plot."
- MARK ADDY: "AAAAAAAAAAA!"
AUDIENCE: "ZZZZZZZzzzzzzz..."
(The Audience sleeps until the credits play to the sound of MORE TECHNO MUSIC)
Sad, really. It had the concept for a great film and certainly had the talent for it. What happened?
09-05-03, 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by DonnachaOne
"Sin-Eater" is a Marvel Comics character or something, so the name was changed. Although a smarter name change would have been to "Don't see this, really".
Yeah, I'm just back from it. And amid the amount of false intrigue, bland characters, creepy buildings (it's ROME! They're... OLD! Old is CREEPY, right?) and just plain silly twaddle being spouted back-and-forth in exposition that sounds like Matrix Reloaded outtakes, there's the most barren, uninvolving, cliched plot.
Here's me watching the film:
Sad, really. It had the concept for a great film and certainly had the talent for it. What happened?
"Sin-Eater" is a Marvel Comics character or something, so the name was changed. Although a smarter name change would have been to "Don't see this, really".
Yeah, I'm just back from it. And amid the amount of false intrigue, bland characters, creepy buildings (it's ROME! They're... OLD! Old is CREEPY, right?) and just plain silly twaddle being spouted back-and-forth in exposition that sounds like Matrix Reloaded outtakes, there's the most barren, uninvolving, cliched plot.
Here's me watching the film:
- Oh, it's dark. Heath Ledger is obviously a tortured soul, because he hasn't shaved.
- CARDINAL BUCKAROO BANZAI: "You must go to Rome, Heath, since you are the last member of THE ORDER."
AUDIENCE: "What, so all that thing in the ads about 'the order will find you' was absolute bollocks?"
- Shannyn Sossamon shows up. She does nothing, as he will continue to do for the film's remainder.
- MARK ADDY: "Yo-ho-ho, I am the jovial Irish priest. Ho-ho-ho."
HEATH LEDGER: "Shhh, I'm trying to be dark and brooding."
MARK ADDY: "Oh, I see. I shall then shut up for the rest of the film and do nothing that warrants my presence in this film."
- Heath Ledger, action-movie priest: "It was demon spawn manifested in the guise of children. Nothing I couldn't handle."
- Ah, here's the underground EVIL order. We know they're evil, because they all wear black bags on their heads, they have a bald mute woman and they're playing techno music very loud.
- Hey, it's the german guy from The Princess & The Warrior! But he's a deep, involving character that you feel compassion for despite the things he does. Instead of making you care about the film, his appearance just clarifies how bad the rest of it is.
- Wow, this film is nothing like the trailer. That's surprising. Instead its just plain boring.
- BENNO FURMANN: "Let's talk rubbish for an hour."
HEATH LEDGER: "Alright, as long as I get to be dark and brooding".
- Ah! It's sin leaving the body! And when sin leaves the body, it looks like jellyfish and fishing wire.
- Shannyn Sossamon still serves no purpose whatsoever.
- BENNO FURMANN: "Raaar! I shall bark cryptic diaologue at various people! If they're not scared, they'll be confused."
- Ah, it's exactly like the trailer after all. Damn.
- Shannyn Sossamon actually realizes she's in the film and gets to be part of the plot, though her presence still isn't justified.
- Villain: "Since you're about to die anyway, I shall tell you the entire plot."
- MARK ADDY: "AAAAAAAAAAA!"
AUDIENCE: "ZZZZZZZzzzzzzz..."
(The Audience sleeps until the credits play to the sound of MORE TECHNO MUSIC)
Sad, really. It had the concept for a great film and certainly had the talent for it. What happened?
09-05-03, 09:50 PM
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I believe when a movie isn't screened for critics means to things:
The Bad:
-it isn't good
The Good:
-it a good film, but is unlikely any mainstream critics will get, so the negative response will drive away any potential veiwers.
We all know how critics ( mainstram ones like local papers and Ebert) aren't too fond of the horror genre anyway.
Look at House of 1000 Corpses and Wrong Turn, good, fun horror movies, but wouldn't impress a critic to save the universe.
Oh well, its got my $5.
The Bad:
-it isn't good
The Good:
-it a good film, but is unlikely any mainstream critics will get, so the negative response will drive away any potential veiwers.
We all know how critics ( mainstram ones like local papers and Ebert) aren't too fond of the horror genre anyway.
Look at House of 1000 Corpses and Wrong Turn, good, fun horror movies, but wouldn't impress a critic to save the universe.
Oh well, its got my $5.
09-05-03, 10:41 PM
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I happen to really like the talent inolved in this film, Brian Helgeland had really jumped genres quite a bit, quite successfully in my opinion, so I'm there just for him. Toss in Heath Ledger whom I really like as an actor (just re-watched 10 Things... last weekend so my Heath appreciation has rebounded), Shannyn Sossaman isn't anything spectacular, but she plays well with Heath.
And the concept is enough to get me interested....I'll be checking it out tomorrow at a matinee.
And the concept is enough to get me interested....I'll be checking it out tomorrow at a matinee.
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Originally posted by DonnachaOne
"Sin-Eater" is a Marvel Comics character or something, so the name was changed. Although a smarter name change would have been to "Don't see this, really".
Yeah, I'm just back from it. And amid the amount of false intrigue, bland characters, creepy buildings (it's ROME! They're... OLD! Old is CREEPY, right?) and just plain silly twaddle being spouted back-and-forth in exposition that sounds like Matrix Reloaded outtakes, there's the most barren, uninvolving, cliched plot.
Here's me watching the film:
Sad, really. It had the concept for a great film and certainly had the talent for it. What happened?
"Sin-Eater" is a Marvel Comics character or something, so the name was changed. Although a smarter name change would have been to "Don't see this, really".
Yeah, I'm just back from it. And amid the amount of false intrigue, bland characters, creepy buildings (it's ROME! They're... OLD! Old is CREEPY, right?) and just plain silly twaddle being spouted back-and-forth in exposition that sounds like Matrix Reloaded outtakes, there's the most barren, uninvolving, cliched plot.
Here's me watching the film:
- Oh, it's dark. Heath Ledger is obviously a tortured soul, because he hasn't shaved.
- CARDINAL BUCKAROO BANZAI: "You must go to Rome, Heath, since you are the last member of THE ORDER."
AUDIENCE: "What, so all that thing in the ads about 'the order will find you' was absolute bollocks?"
- Shannyn Sossamon shows up. She does nothing, as he will continue to do for the film's remainder.
- MARK ADDY: "Yo-ho-ho, I am the jovial Irish priest. Ho-ho-ho."
HEATH LEDGER: "Shhh, I'm trying to be dark and brooding."
MARK ADDY: "Oh, I see. I shall then shut up for the rest of the film and do nothing that warrants my presence in this film."
- Heath Ledger, action-movie priest: "It was demon spawn manifested in the guise of children. Nothing I couldn't handle."
- Ah, here's the underground EVIL order. We know they're evil, because they all wear black bags on their heads, they have a bald mute woman and they're playing techno music very loud.
- Hey, it's the german guy from The Princess & The Warrior! But he's a deep, involving character that you feel compassion for despite the things he does. Instead of making you care about the film, his appearance just clarifies how bad the rest of it is.
- Wow, this film is nothing like the trailer. That's surprising. Instead its just plain boring.
- BENNO FURMANN: "Let's talk rubbish for an hour."
HEATH LEDGER: "Alright, as long as I get to be dark and brooding".
- Ah! It's sin leaving the body! And when sin leaves the body, it looks like jellyfish and fishing wire.
- Shannyn Sossamon still serves no purpose whatsoever.
- BENNO FURMANN: "Raaar! I shall bark cryptic diaologue at various people! If they're not scared, they'll be confused."
- Ah, it's exactly like the trailer after all. Damn.
- Shannyn Sossamon actually realizes she's in the film and gets to be part of the plot, though her presence still isn't justified.
- Villain: "Since you're about to die anyway, I shall tell you the entire plot."
- MARK ADDY: "AAAAAAAAAAA!"
AUDIENCE: "ZZZZZZZzzzzzzz..."
(The Audience sleeps until the credits play to the sound of MORE TECHNO MUSIC)
Sad, really. It had the concept for a great film and certainly had the talent for it. What happened?
That actually sounds good to me. I loved the philosophical parts of The Matrix Reloaded as well. I've been wanting to see Benno in an english film for a while now, so it's getting my 5 bones.
09-06-03, 07:59 PM
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With almost no exception, when a film is 'held from critics' it's because they want to open the film on the first weekend based SOLEY on the advertising with the hopes that they will recupe some of their money before the bad word of mouth gets started on a film.
Studios screen about 95% of their films, including ones I think everyone knows is a stinker. They tend to hold these rare 5% from ciritics because they think there's a shot at some good money riding on the star power, and that if they screen it for cirtics the word will spread like widfire and it'll tank opening day.
Studios screen about 95% of their films, including ones I think everyone knows is a stinker. They tend to hold these rare 5% from ciritics because they think there's a shot at some good money riding on the star power, and that if they screen it for cirtics the word will spread like widfire and it'll tank opening day.
09-06-03, 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by gkleinman
With almost no exception, when a film is 'held from critics' it's because they want to open the film on the first weekend based SOLEY on the advertising with the hopes that they will recupe some of their money before the bad word of mouth gets started on a film.
Studios screen about 95% of their films, including ones I think everyone knows is a stinker. They tend to hold these rare 5% from ciritics because they think there's a shot at some good money riding on the star power, and that if they screen it for cirtics the word will spread like widfire and it'll tank opening day.
With almost no exception, when a film is 'held from critics' it's because they want to open the film on the first weekend based SOLEY on the advertising with the hopes that they will recupe some of their money before the bad word of mouth gets started on a film.
Studios screen about 95% of their films, including ones I think everyone knows is a stinker. They tend to hold these rare 5% from ciritics because they think there's a shot at some good money riding on the star power, and that if they screen it for cirtics the word will spread like widfire and it'll tank opening day.
Best in my book to just let reviews go out, then to try and hide it which only seems to make it worse.
09-06-03, 09:16 PM
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It was below average movie. Interesting idea, uninteresting follow thru. Some parts were intriging, but not enough to hold my attention, I kept thinking about the CFB games I was missing.
I'd wait for the dvd for a rental if interested. Now we know why it was withheld from critics; a brief blip on the radar of a fun, good horror year.
Grade: C-
I'd wait for the dvd for a rental if interested. Now we know why it was withheld from critics; a brief blip on the radar of a fun, good horror year.
Grade: C-
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This to me was the worst film of the year, the basic premise was okay, and I love those movies where the Vatican is evil and is hiding all these secrets, and the scholars need to solve them.
But this was just plain bad. The only good quality was mark addy and that is not saying much.
But this was just plain bad. The only good quality was mark addy and that is not saying much.
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Originally posted by BadlyDrawnBoy
The only good quality was mark addy and that is not saying much.
The only good quality was mark addy and that is not saying much.
And let's not forget THIS magical passage.
HEATH LEDGER: Come on, Mark Addy. We must take this convoluted, treacherous way out of the underground cavern, which I'm pretty sure isn't the way we came in.
MARK ADDY: No, I have to go to those ghosts over there.
HEATH LEDGER: Where? Behind the crappy CGI? And what exactly do you plan to do to said ghosts? 'Begorrah' them to hell?
MARK ADDY: I dunno, Spaghetti-O. And because of your lack of faith, I won't explain that ridiculous nickname to the audience.
HEATH LEDGER: Great, something else we can add to the 'Big Ol' List-O-Stuff we don't bother explaining at all'.
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09-08-03, 07:14 AM
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I think this movie is worth checking out. I saw it last night and thought it was actually pretty good. It was a great story but it just needed to be fleshed out a little more. I was wondering how you can say Shannon played no justified part at all? Did you not stay through the entire movie or were you just not paying attention? The 'order' Heath belonged to was clearly evident and needed no explaining. I thought Heath and Benno did a great job in their roles as well. I think a lot of you went in wanting it to fail :P.
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Originally posted by Der Krieger1979
I was wondering how you can say Shannon played no justified part at all? Did you not stay through the entire movie or were you just not paying attention?
I was wondering how you can say Shannon played no justified part at all? Did you not stay through the entire movie or were you just not paying attention?
09-08-03, 09:28 AM
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My wife and I went on Friday and we both really enjoyed it.
Nice little mix of horror and mystery, and I appreciated the fact that it wasn't this big "showdown between Heath and the bad guy" deal, but actually dealt with some interesting ideas about Catholicism and faith in general.
So thumbs up from me.
Nice little mix of horror and mystery, and I appreciated the fact that it wasn't this big "showdown between Heath and the bad guy" deal, but actually dealt with some interesting ideas about Catholicism and faith in general.
So thumbs up from me.
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Originally posted by DonnachaOne
Because she played no justified part at all, that's why. Oh, trust me. I watched every minute of the film. I'm surprised my eyes aren't scarred.
Because she played no justified part at all, that's why. Oh, trust me. I watched every minute of the film. I'm surprised my eyes aren't scarred.
Spoiler:
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