Rypro 525

I personally thing this movie is a great movie, using numerous different film styles.

If Quinten had his way and either got to direct or have his vision, how would it be and what changes would there be?

Crocker Jarmen

I'm tettering between "Classic" and "Pretty Good". I think a movie has to hit it's teen years before it can be bestowed the term "Classic". So far I think it holds up remarkably, and I'm sure has the same effect on a first time viewer today as when it was released. This was a movie that really beat the hell out of my brain.

I think it would have been an average to bad movie had Tarantino gotten his way. Leaving aside how heavy handed/political the Stone version was, I don't see how anyone could preferr the original script over the re-write. I found Tarantino's script to be dull, poorly paced, and eposodic. There are a few good scenes in it, but he was still honing his craft. If Tarantino had done it low budget, before Reservoir Dogs, I'm sure it would have been a lame, dull, straight to video movie, that he'd probebly try and hide in later years the way Kubrick did Fear and Desire.

Rypro 525

are there any places to access Tarantino's script?

Crocker Jarmen

It's been published. Try a bookstore like Chapters that has a large screenplay section. It's interesting to read to see which scenes remained the same for the movie; the opening, Scagnetti meeting the Warden; Wayne convincing Mickey to do the interview. The script is like the movie is an episode of American Maniacs, and the ending is the same as the movie

Supreme Sean

It's pretty good, but the in-your-face, all-over-the-place direction gets both tedious and distracting during the course of the movie. Great performances from Harrelson and Lewis, and the image of Tommy Lee Jones as that prison warden is something I'll never forget. Grade: B

I'm going to go read " Scagnetti on Scagnetti " now.

Rypro 525

the image I'll never forget is the shot thats only in the unrated version.

Corvin

This has to be one of the only movies I had to turn off. And usually I don't get bothered by stuff like this. I'm still ashamed of myself for never finishing the movie.

the aftermath

I felt like turning it off half-way through but I paid money to rent it so decided to watch all of it. I hated it with a passion. What a waste of time, I can't believe anyone would make such trash.

mljones99

classic

beckham

I don't know; this is the kind of movie where as after the first couple of views, one proclaims its genius but after seeing again after quite a gap of time it seems garbled and sloshed. I would probably still defend the violence in the movie just not the presentation. I think its a stylized movie with good substance that actually fails of its merits of style.

Just my grumblings.

movielib

I think this is truly a great movie. Especially the director's cut. Stone's second best.

Gandalf

It's a classic for me. I usually don't like violent movies, but I feel every bit of the violence here is justified and it actually makes adds to the point of the satire. There are moments when the movie lags a bit in action but those moments are actually the ones contributing the most to the symbolism in the film and to understanding the characters complexity.

I don't think this will be considered a classic overall however, because love it/hate it movies don't usually reach this status... Well... maybe Clockwork Orange did so who knows...

Kashmir

I love this movie. The Rodney Dangerfield part is hilarious.

PalmerJoss

I loved the movie. It floored me when I first watched it and I believe that the film is more relevant today than when it was released. It's an excellent satire of our society and of what it takes to become a celebrity, which is all the more relevant with the burgeoning popularity of reality tv/movies.

jdslater

I saw it when it first come out here in the UK, and the press was going mad about it saying it's twisted and depraved (UK press has a habit of that). anyway I watched it and thought it was okay. When I was in the states I bought the 2 tape boxset that had a lot of the deleted scenes and extras and I now think its one of oliver stones best. I love the different styles and i think tom sizemore and tommy lee jones are knock out in it.

Rypro 525

anyone else think the mpaa was too harsh on this film as to the cutting. like for instance the shot of a characters head on a stick, was cut, but something way more violent of a character in final destination gets his head cut off by a metal plate in slow motion, and that stays in??

Lono

I haven't read Tarention's og script... however I went to see this in theatres... and personally I hated it... I felt like I spent two hours swimming in my own feces. Just me... just my opinion... flame on.

Rypro 525

found the original Tarantino script for those intersted
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/scripts/killers.shtml

Rypro 525

for those also interested, according to the back of the warner box its "Rated R For extreme violence and graphic carnage, for shocking images, and for strong language and sexuality

SideShow

I saw it because we were talking about the case of the teenage killers who blamed it on the movie in my 11th grade english class. I pretty much thought it was an empty, flashy movie and didn't really like it. However I could never get some parts out of my head, so I got it from Columbia House and am planning on watching it a few times (esp. with commentary) for my final opinion on it.

PalmerJoss

The commentary track is amazing. Oliver Stone addresses(sic?)all the issues surrounding the film and goes very in-depth into how he made the movie. A very highy reccomended track.

conscience

I thought it was pretty good. I don't think it was a classic, but I loved the performances, script, and definitely Stone's direction.

It has two things that make a great movie:

Tom Sizemore and Oliver Stone. Everything else is just toppings on the cake.

Dr. DVD

While the movie gets somewhat tedious with its style, I cannot deny that it is pretty dead on in terms of what it is trying to portray with the media's fascination with violence.
For all practical purposes, Stone hit the nail on the head when he said it was a look at a film done in the MTV style of culture.
Reaction to this movie tends to be pretty polar, people either think it's great or a travesty to filmmaking.

To those who hate it I say: go watch Forrest Gump another time.

Charlie Goose

Never read the script and I was stoked to see it,
HOWEVER it turned out to be one of the worst movies I have ever seen. If I sat down and compiled a list of the biggest stinkers, this would definitely be in the top ten. I'm not exaggerating either, I hated it that much.

Honk!

Cusm

I wish Q had directed or at least Scott. I felt Stone was delving into a Lynch-esqe direction, and did not pull it off. I felt several parts of it were really cheesey and had a Twilight Zone special effect quality to it. True Romance is 1000 times better.