Rypro 525

Either the whole it was a dream thing on dallas or kim getting stuck in a tiger trap in 24

Numanoid

That was a cougar trap.

Who's dumb now?

Morf

Or untagged spoilers.

Slasher

Simpson Purist

The Pitts

Cusm

Laugh tracks, or WB.

PeMo

100% agree.... I hope that wasn't a major plot point for 24.

chowderhead

I doubt there are many tigers in the hills above LA but that was a dumb moment.
Excluding FOX reality shows like Dog beauty pagents or man v. beast challenges, I would have to say wraslin'. There have been some horrid skits on WWE.
HHH dressed as Kane having/pretending to have sex with a corpse (mannequin )
Sexual Chocolate Marc Henry and (1 million years old) Mae Young's pregnancy angle.
WWE is targeting 15 yo horny boys. When you have to suspend logic and any semblance of reality, you can get some very dumb angles/storylines.

mwj

How about when a character goes for three seasons lusting after one person. Finds out it will not be happening between them. Falls in love with another character. Then in the fourth season suddenly decides she's a lesbian. This story arc makes Kim's on 24 look positively lucid.

Groucho

Whoops...so much for the big plot twist in Season 2 of 24 for those who were waiting for the DVD.

Chad

Have you tuned in to any reality programming lately?

Tscott

That's even better!! Hot lesbian witches! Think about it! It's ****ing genius!
-Charlie Sheen (as himself) in Being John Malkovich


As for my pick it'd have to be the pilot episode of Boston Public when a teacher and doesn't get fired because according to the Principal "He's the best teacher we've got."

I never could watch that show after that- even bringing in Jeri Ryan as a cast member didn't help.

Josh Z

Not another one of you people.

Yeah, we know that a teenager falling in and out of love with people and questioning their sexual identity is totally unrealistic. That would just, like, never happen in real life.

Groucho

I thought he was talking about "Ellen."

Rypro 525

I didn't really think that was a real big plot point.

mwj

Except your description is not even close to what happened on the show. She nevers questions her sexual identity, with one exception, which made little sense except as a humorous aside. The problem isn't she was gay. It was that after four seasons she was suddenly a lesbian on a show which usually made the characters earn their growth.

Josh Z

I think you must have missed some episodes over the course of the season.

mwj

No I have seen all of seasons 1-4 at least twice because I own them all on DVD and I watched them on the WB and FX. I remember one episode where the character comments about ~"I was skanky and kinda gay." Until season four after the breakup, I remember no other references to these feelings.

Josh Z

Willow didn't realize her feelings until meeting Tara, and even then it was something that slowly developed over the course of the season until she could finally admit it to herself.

She didn't just flip a switch one day and say, "Hey, I'm gay now!".

mwj

Actually I think that's a pretty good description of what happened IMO. It nicely encapsulates my main objection and fails to address any sort of "questioning their sexual identity" prior to season four. It's been about three weeks since I watched season four but that whole arc seemed fairly short. I guess we just disagree, but this whole situation seems similar to the way many shows handled this situation. Since I love Buffy, I thought Joss Whedon would handle it better.

Josh Z

Tara was introduced at the beginning of Season 4. Willow "came out" 19 episodes later. In TV terms, that is a very long time (22 episodes comprise roughly 'one year' in the Buffyverse). If you in fact did not miss any of those episodes in between, I can only suspect that you failed to pick up on subtext.

Willow didn't turn gay overnight. In fact, she doesn't actually refer to herself as gay until mid-way though Season 5. She just knew that she wanted to be with Tara, whatever that meant.

Beyond that, I could argue this out, but I don't see the point. Feel how you want to feel.

das Monkey

What's this jibber jabber? Not only was there innuendo and build-up to the Tara thing that could be traced back to Season 3's 'Dopplegangland', college freshmen girls experimenting with (and ultimately defining) their sexuality is about as commonplace as it gets.

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I could have sworn Tara wasn't introduced until 'Hush', which is a good 10 eps into Season 4. It's only 9 eps later that she openly accepts her feelings toward Tara. I agree, though, that there is plenty of slow build-up to this happening; and you're right that it's not until 'Triangle' -- 11 eps into Season 5 -- that she is officially "gay."

das

Jlbkwrm

Yup. And it's likely their relationship had progressed somewhere beyond friends by 4-16, since Faith realizes what Tara means to Willow (Plus, you know, the "Giant Flaming O" spell.)

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I agree, though, that there is plenty of slow build-up to this happening; and you're right that it's not until 'Triangle' -- 11 eps into Season 5 -- that she is officially "gay."

Now the "Hello? Gay now." thing is one of my dumbest TV moments ever. Willow thinks Dracula is sexy at the beginning of the season, and doesn't think this is weird, but by episode 11 is irritated by the idea that she'd ever be interested in icky boy-parts again. I just didn't understand the leap from "Willow loves a woman," to "Willow is no longer sexually attracted to men." not being worth any story-attention.

Michael Corvin

Reality shows. period.

Josh-da-man

dumbest thing on tv?

Fox News.