Oppo BDP 95 -- 2011 Midnight In Paris Blu-ray will not Play With Dec 2012 Firmware
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Oppo BDP 95 -- 2011 Midnight In Paris Blu-ray will not Play With Dec 2012 Firmware
I own an Oppo BDP 95. The firmware is from 12/12; the last Oppo firmware that will play iso's (& that ability is very important to me). I own over 100 blu-ray's, & have never before had a firmware issue (I'm assuming that's the case here).
Upon insertion, the disc plays the first preview, & no matter what I do freezes on the 2nd preview with a blank screen. There is no way with my firmware to skip the previews & get to the menu.
Any thoughts other then updating the firrmware (which I will not do)?
Other Cinavia discs have not caused this. Might I have a defective disc, or is it definitely a copyguard issue?
This is a factory pressed disc from oldies.com.
Upon insertion, the disc plays the first preview, & no matter what I do freezes on the 2nd preview with a blank screen. There is no way with my firmware to skip the previews & get to the menu.
Any thoughts other then updating the firrmware (which I will not do)?
Other Cinavia discs have not caused this. Might I have a defective disc, or is it definitely a copyguard issue?
This is a factory pressed disc from oldies.com.
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In the past when I've had discs exhibit that behavior... I searched out an answer and found that if the network connection is shut down, the disc will play. In those cases it was a BD live hiccup.
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Yep, that is still the only way I can play Scream 4 on anything. Completely shut off the network connection.
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What really sucks is since I've never had a problem before, I sold my dvd before playing the blu-ray.
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One other comment, through Googling, I've seen numerous instances of audio issues with this disc; but nothing at all similar to what I'm experiencing. Apparently, there is only 1 preview on the disc, but my player seems to think their is only one title on the disc with 2 previews (display shows there are supposed to be 500 titles on the disc, but the player can't see any of them; that's got to be the copy guard garbage).
I can't imagine that Oldies would be selling pirated copies (which apparently raises havoc with the Cinavia garbage).
I can't imagine that Oldies would be selling pirated copies (which apparently raises havoc with the Cinavia garbage).
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I have confirmed the issue is the firmware (it plays on a neighbor's inexpensive Philips); what I don't get is why a December 2011 disc won't play on December 2012 firmware.
Anyone want to buy it for what I paid (lol)?
Anyone want to buy it for what I paid (lol)?
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I've still never gotten the Starship Troopers BD to play on anything. Something to do with memory requirements. I've tried putting flash drives in front, in back, in different players. No go. Seem to work for some people though.
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Until last month, I had NEVER run into a blu-ray that was incompatible with my Dec 2012 Firmware. Now I've found a second: the Canadian version of "Frida".
It may be time to go back to dvd's, other than the boutique labels (Kino, MOC, etc) that never use copy guards. These companies are IDIOTS. Most consumers over 40 are not tech literate enough to know what firmware is, much less upgrade it. Maybe that's why mainstream br prices have dropped big time.
It may be time to go back to dvd's, other than the boutique labels (Kino, MOC, etc) that never use copy guards. These companies are IDIOTS. Most consumers over 40 are not tech literate enough to know what firmware is, much less upgrade it. Maybe that's why mainstream br prices have dropped big time.
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Most of these devices now are WiFi enabled and check for updates automatically. So they actually make it as simple for the consumer as possible. It sounds like you the stubborn one in this scenario, refusing to update the firmware to correct the issue. I take it you don't want to update it so you can play illegally made discs?
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The only movie company that I can think of offhand which is still using DRM type "copy guards" semi-regularly on their current dvd releases, is Lionsgate. (Lionsgate is basically using a modernized highly mutated version of the old Sony Arccos dvd drm system, which caused some early-2007 era Sony dvd releases to be completely unplayable on Sony manufactured dvd players, such as Casino Royale).
Though I don't know whether this is still the case, after Lionsgate bought up Starz awhile ago (ie. December 2016).
IIRC on the other hand, Starz/Anchor Bay had the least DRM on their dvd releases ever since the dawn of dvd in the late-1990s. Most of the Anchor Bay/Starz dvd titles I have don't have any encryption + drm on them.
The question is whether the pre-merger Lionsgate executives calling the shots in the home video division, are still around after the recent Lionsgate/Starz merger. Frequently after a corporate merger, there is a housecleaning done with numerous layoffs and/or executives getting promoted to another division in the merged company. Currently unknown if it is Lionsgate old timers or former Starz/Anchor Bay executives, whom are currently calling the shots in the Lionsgate home video division post-merger.
In terms of other movie companies in regard to using drm "copy guard" on their dvd releases, these days hardly anybody is still using extensive drm "copy guard" on their current newer dvd releases. IIRC, Sony gave up on drm "copy guard" on their then-current dvd releases sometime in 2007. New Line gave up in early 2008. Paramount gave up in mid-2014. Disney/Buena Vista gave up in early 2011. (Warner and Universal never really used drm "copy guard" extensively in their dvd releases. Only a small number of titles, such as the dvd release of the 2008 Get Smart movie).
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A number of years ago I thought about picking up this non-updated firmware Oppo model, for this specific iso playback ability.
Eventually what I ended up doing was just buying an inexpensive computer to play isos directly from the hard drive.
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The copyguards don't stop pirates, they only harm people who buy the official product.
Most older folks are not using Wi-fi; we're using cable & discs.
Yes, I would be capable of going wi-fi & streaming, but I'm not letting the corporations touch my Oppo. It will never go on the internet.
If this keeps up, I'll be buying a $50 2nd blu-ray player with new firmware. Or, as I mentioned above the Oppo's upsampling of dvd's makes a well done dvd about 75% as good as a blu to my eyes.
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I don't bother doing this anymore, largely due to too many flash drives generating too much heat when they're "playing" a movie from a flash drive. (It doesn't matter whether the movie is in sd or hd resolution). In contrast after playing a long movie bluray disc from start to finish, the disc doesn't feel "hot" to the touch.
Several of my el-cheapo bluray players have a usb jack on the front panel, which can play various video file formats straight out of the box from a flash drive. (A few el-cheapo bluray players can even recognize and mount an external hard drive).
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I end up buying a new bluray player once every 3 or 4 years, when they show up for less than $50 at a local WM, BB, etc ... (Mostly models from Sony, Samsung, LG, etc ... ).
I probably won't bother picking up an Oppo, unless I see it being sold locally for less than $100 brand new.
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Stuff like madVR is basically using the hardware capabilities of current (or next-to-recent) cutting edge graphics cards, and driving it really hard. The sort of current graphics cards that hardcore pc gamers would be using.
In the end, probably more expensive to buy a cutting edge computer than simply buying an Oppo.
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I don't own an Oppo BD player, but (especially for an indie company like Oppo) did start wondering why they didn't offer firmware upgrades for older models for a small fee. Yes, I'm sure they'd prefer you sink another $500 into a newer player, but just like cars and computers, not everybody feels the need to discard older hardware so frivolously.
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Previously I tried doing this.
I don't bother doing this anymore, largely due to too many flash drives generating too much heat when they're "playing" a movie from a flash drive. (It doesn't matter whether the movie is in sd or hd resolution). In contrast after playing a long movie bluray disc from start to finish, the disc doesn't feel "hot" to the touch.
Several of my el-cheapo bluray players have a usb jack on the front panel, which can play various video file formats straight out of the box from a flash drive. (A few el-cheapo bluray players can even recognize and mount an external hard drive).
I don't bother doing this anymore, largely due to too many flash drives generating too much heat when they're "playing" a movie from a flash drive. (It doesn't matter whether the movie is in sd or hd resolution). In contrast after playing a long movie bluray disc from start to finish, the disc doesn't feel "hot" to the touch.
Several of my el-cheapo bluray players have a usb jack on the front panel, which can play various video file formats straight out of the box from a flash drive. (A few el-cheapo bluray players can even recognize and mount an external hard drive).
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This is what I've been doing for many years.
I end up buying a new bluray player once every 3 or 4 years, when they show up for less than $50 at a local WM, BB, etc ... (Mostly models from Sony, Samsung, LG, etc ... ).
I probably won't bother picking up an Oppo, unless I see it being sold locally for less than $100 brand new.
I end up buying a new bluray player once every 3 or 4 years, when they show up for less than $50 at a local WM, BB, etc ... (Mostly models from Sony, Samsung, LG, etc ... ).
I probably won't bother picking up an Oppo, unless I see it being sold locally for less than $100 brand new.
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I haven't recently looked up the technical specs of the chips used for Oppo's sd -> hd upscaling. Though the last time I did, it appears these chips implemented many of the same algorithms in hardware, which were standard fare in really advanced open source software rendering programs like madVR.
Stuff like madVR is basically using the hardware capabilities of current (or next-to-recent) cutting edge graphics cards, and driving it really hard. The sort of current graphics cards that hardcore pc gamers would be using.
In the end, probably more expensive to buy a cutting edge computer than simply buying an Oppo.
Stuff like madVR is basically using the hardware capabilities of current (or next-to-recent) cutting edge graphics cards, and driving it really hard. The sort of current graphics cards that hardcore pc gamers would be using.
In the end, probably more expensive to buy a cutting edge computer than simply buying an Oppo.
From what I've heard, if you don't require region free or iso playback, the 100.x & 200.x series are even better. Better sound, better picture, & they've eliminated the gaps between tracks on audio file playback
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I don't own an Oppo BD player, but (especially for an indie company like Oppo) did start wondering why they didn't offer firmware upgrades for older models for a small fee. Yes, I'm sure they'd prefer you sink another $500 into a newer player, but just like cars and computers, not everybody feels the need to discard older hardware so frivolously.
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Again, what really irritates me is that the problematic blu-ray disc mentioned in my first post is a year older than my firmware! All this does is gets lower income consumers to not buy blu-rays. It doesn't harm the pirates 1 iota.
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(More on excessive heat issues).
Another thing which I found annoying after awhile, involved playing movies/isos directly from an external hard drive and into a bluray player or wdtv box. After playing a movie or tv show for two+ hours directly from an external hard drive, there was an enormous amount of excess heat produced in the external hard drive.
After my old wdtv box died, one factor which led me to buying an inexpensive computer for movie/iso playing, was this particular excessive heat issue produced in external hard drives after two+ hours.
At least with internal hard drives in a desktop computer, they seem to handle excessive heat issues better and can take a lot of punishment.
For example when I'm using my desktop computer at home for stuff like netsurfing, I'm always running Windows Defender/anitmalware for many hours on end which is heavily accessing the internal hard drive. On weekends and holidays, Windows Defender can be running all day. (I start Windows Defender again when the malware definitions are updated every few hours). Even with this excessive hard drive access, my previous hard drives didn't accumulate a ton of bad sectors.
Another thing which I found annoying after awhile, involved playing movies/isos directly from an external hard drive and into a bluray player or wdtv box. After playing a movie or tv show for two+ hours directly from an external hard drive, there was an enormous amount of excess heat produced in the external hard drive.
After my old wdtv box died, one factor which led me to buying an inexpensive computer for movie/iso playing, was this particular excessive heat issue produced in external hard drives after two+ hours.
At least with internal hard drives in a desktop computer, they seem to handle excessive heat issues better and can take a lot of punishment.
For example when I'm using my desktop computer at home for stuff like netsurfing, I'm always running Windows Defender/anitmalware for many hours on end which is heavily accessing the internal hard drive. On weekends and holidays, Windows Defender can be running all day. (I start Windows Defender again when the malware definitions are updated every few hours). Even with this excessive hard drive access, my previous hard drives didn't accumulate a ton of bad sectors.
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I can't count the externals I've had die from heat, & I don't play movies on them; just use them for storage. I suspect the computer fans really help the internals.
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Do you check your newly purchased bluray discs on the computer?
Every time I buy some new blurays, when I get home I immediately check all the discs on the computer to see whether any of them have any bad sectors due to manufacturing defects.
I run a program which extracts the entire undecrypted iso from a bluray disc. (This undecrypted iso is useless for viewing purposes).
A disc with bad sectors will choke on this program and stop it dead in its tracks. I go back to the retailer to do an exchange (or refund) whenever I come across a bluray disc with bad sectors due to manufacturing defects.
For single-layer bluray discs, it only takes around 10 minutes to extract the entire undecrypted iso. For 25-50 gigabytes sized dual-layered bluray discs, it usually takes around 20-30 minutes to extract the entire undecrypted iso.
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Since my old wdtv box died, my external hard drives are now only really used for storage.
If I want to watch a particular movie/show's iso, then I just copy the iso over to the computer's internal hard drive and watch it directly from the computer's internal hard drive.