Obi-Wanma

Try this for reference:

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NWO4Life

Drexl

You know what? I can see maybe why Oldboy, if he's young, might be a bit confused about 2D vs 3D. The concept of 3D (meaning polygons) in games has been with us for so long that we don't talk about it anymore; it's just normal. Even though indie games have brought back 2D, they're such a routine part of our gaming diets now we rarely bother to point it out. It's like how we don't talk about "multimedia" in PCs anymore because it's everywhere.

Whereas 3D (as in glasses) is something that has been pushed recently. At this point, it's the more common context of what 3D means.

I didn't even know that Wave Race was a thing before the N64 game. Game Boy, huh?

bluetoast

I'll say this again. Old Boy, try taking your own advice:

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/7049943-post6.html

Music

oh snap...

Mikael79

He's Old...boy.

I think his brain is clogged with malted hops and bong resin, but he's one of my favorite things about DVDTalk.

Rob V

This thread has potential for early "Thread of the Year" candidacy...

OldBoy

i still don't get what the big deal is. i remember N64 saying polygons or something like that and 3D characters system, but not sure what that means exactly. All games are 2D as far as i know...

starseed1981

What in the world......

RichC2

It isn't complicated.

Gameplay: Mario 64 is 3 dimensions and lets you move in X, Y, and Z directions. Super Mario Bros is 2 dimensions: strictly X, Y
Graphics: Mario 64 has a world that is rendered on an X (width), Y (height) and Z (depth) dimension. Super Mario Bros is sprite based and 2 dimensions, X (width) and Y (height)

But at this point, it sounds like you're just doing a "Shaq says the Earth's flat" routine.

Obi-Wanma

Your problem is that you're associating the word 3D to mean what it typically means in relationship to a movie (i.e. a gimmick that adds depth to the frame and even allows images to seem to pop out of the frame). That's not what we're talking about.

What we mean in terms of 3D gaming is not that kind of 3D, we mean 3D in terms of character models and environments.

Maybe this will help you understand the difference. Imagine you were watching movie where the camera angle never changed, only moved straight left to right or up and down, all of the characters were always shot from a right profile view (or overhead) and from the exact same distance at all times (i.e.. no depth to the image), and you could only ever see the back wall of any room the characters were in (or the floor in case of an overhead view). That would be weird right? But imagine if that was all that you had known in terms of movie making.

That's essentially what you had with all gaming prior to the PS1/N64 generation.

Now imagine all of a sudden you get movies where the camera spins around, you can see the characters from all angles, the characters can turn and move back into the frame or closer to the camera, and you can see all four walls of the room that they are in. That's what we've always had in terms of movies, but if you had never seen it before, it would be a revelation, right?

wishbone

Mikael79

How can 3D be real if our eyes aren't real?

mattysemo247

fumanstan

I knew you didn't actually get it

NWO4Life

OH MY FREAKING GOD. Dude. My Bro. How old are you? Google. OMG. I'm a 27 year old pothead and you make me sound like a genius compared to you.

Super Mario Bros. on the NES is 2D. Super Mario 64 on the N64 is 3D. I don't know how to even dumb it down anymore. I dumb it down any more than I am I might go full retard on this one.

Forum people: Is this guy legit? I can't tell. I think my brain cells are dying from this guy and I'm not even high yet.

Music

OldBoy, is this one of your friends in real life?

mattysemo247

I thought it was one of his students?

morriscroy

(On a tangent).

I wouldn't be too hard on the guy/gal.

I don't know how exactly Oldboy thinks privately to himself/herself. He/she does sort of remind me of how I use to think when I was younger, in regard to coming up with concise/precise definitions.

As one might imagine, I use to annoy a lot of people offline when I would ask them to define the lingo/jargon they're using. If their definition was somewhat vague or imprecise, I would ask for further clarification and/or precision. (Occasionally this led to fist fights with certain individuals who didn't like to be asked hard questions in person offline).

In practice, a lot of lingo/jargon does not have precise definitions. (ie. Without any ambiguity).


Nowadays I only really ask someone for clarification and/or precision, if I suspect they are being deliberately misleading or outright lying. (Primarily in person offline face to face).

fujishig

Say what?

whotony

When I rolled onto the title of this topic my first thought was "when did games become available in 3d?"

I havent played any video games in a decade but I understand what it means when a game is referred to as 3d, I might have gone right past the topic if it said 3 Dimensional because that makes sense.


But I understand Oldboy initially not knowing why video games are referred to as being in 3D.
Because I had the same reaction at first.

The title is why i came in here to see what was going on.

I'm in the mindset that 3D means images appear to come off the screen, not meaning the view and scrolling ability is 3D.

Wasn't it called something else initially when these type of games first started appearing?

I don't remember people saying the games were 3D.

Drexl

Polygonal? Sega called their early titles "Virtua ____."

I'm pretty sure they were generally called 3D though. There were even games with 3D in the title, often to set themselves apart from their 2D counterparts: Duke Nukem 3D (by 3D Realms), Lemmings 3D, Gex 3D, Prince of Persia 3D, Earthworm Jim 3D, Sonic 3D Blast (which actually was isometric) and the infamous Bubsy 3D. There might have been more of them on the N64 if the trend wasn't to add "64" to the name.

3D was a big deal in the PC gaming world as well. It used to be that you bought a separate card for "3D acceleration." The biggest name in that business for a while was 3Dfx.

Music

And just to make Oldboy's head Explode... Duke Nukem 3D was actually 2.5D

The Questyen

I remember the talk when Super Mario 64 came out about it being in 3D and as a child being able to understand it. It's not complicated.