Nintendo Switch: Building a New Generation of Hardware from Scratch
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Crazy talk. Mario Kart 8 is fantastic and I would never go back to the GameCube versions of Wind Waker or Twilight Princess having played through the remasters on Wii U which fixes both of their issues.
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It's nice to know I'm not alone in appreciating Mario Kart: Double Dash! Honestly, that's the reason I bought a GameCube in the first place. Mario Kart Wii was pretty lousy, but I do agree that MK8 is top-shelf all the way, at least with the modes I like to play.
Super Mario Sunshine is the only mainline Mario game I've started and never finished, and I've had an itch to give it another shot over the past few years. (I dumped my copy on my father after giving him his own GameCube as a birthday gift, and he lost it ages ago.) I would've liked to have preferred a remaster to smoothen out its rougher edges a la Wind Waker, but...whatever.
If these rumors are true, presumably that means that unlike the Wii U, the Switch has analog triggers.
Super Mario Sunshine is the only mainline Mario game I've started and never finished, and I've had an itch to give it another shot over the past few years. (I dumped my copy on my father after giving him his own GameCube as a birthday gift, and he lost it ages ago.) I would've liked to have preferred a remaster to smoothen out its rougher edges a la Wind Waker, but...whatever.
If these rumors are true, presumably that means that unlike the Wii U, the Switch has analog triggers.
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It seems to me that people are going to jeer Nintendo unless they release a console that is comparable to the Xbox One S or PS4 Pro. I think throwing another console onto the pile of indistinguishable black and white boxes would be a terrible decision. In my opinion they're pursuing the right strategy.
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It seems to me that people are going to jeer Nintendo unless they release a console that is comparable to the Xbox One S or PS4 Pro. I think throwing another console onto the pile of indistinguishable black and white boxes would be a terrible decision. In my opinion they're pursuing the right strategy.
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There's also the fact that the U, controls aside, could play these Switch games just fine.
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It seems to me that people are going to jeer Nintendo unless they release a console that is comparable to the Xbox One S or PS4 Pro. I think throwing another console onto the pile of indistinguishable black and white boxes would be a terrible decision. In my opinion they're pursuing the right strategy.
I understand that competing head to head in power with MS/Sony isn't really feasible, but hopefully their roadmap is much better developed with the Switch then what we've seen in the past. They can overcome throwing money at gaming by leveraging a stronger strategy and the strength of their characters - I hope they can do it this time around, even if I personally don't care for the whole portable aspect.
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And doesn't the Switch have pretty much the same graphical capabilities as the U, or far closer to it than that of the two last Sony/MS consoles are to each other.
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That said, while there's more to performance then these figures like CPU architecture, memory bandwidth, and low level programming API's, here's the GPU comparison for reference (based on what I could find, could be wrong on one or two of these).
Wii U - 176 GFLOPS
Playstation 3 - 192 GFLOPS
Xbox 360 - 240 GFLOPS
Tegra X1 - 512 GFLOPS
Xbox One - 1.31 TFLOPS
Playstation 4 - 1.84 TFLOPS
Playstation 4 Pro - 4.2 TFLOPS
Xbox Scorpio - 6 TFLOPS
The Switch should at the very least be much more powerful then the Wii U just based on the Tegra X1 alone, in addition to other rumored improvements like twice the RAM and the CPU. I'd be surprised if the Switch is as powerful as the XB1/PS4 though, especially for the sake of battery life.
For reference the Snapdragon 820/821 that you see on high end cell phones today are around 520 GFLOPS too.
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Ah. Thought I had read that since it's mostly portable, with it's own screen, it wouldn't push graphical capabilities far beyond the U.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm intrigued by the Switch but at this point it's all riding on Nintendo's name. Their core franchises are running on fumes for me.
All I said was last great Zelda game...or rather the last one that I enjoyed enough to finish. Remasters are still the same game with polish. I am mildly interested in Breath of the Wild if only because it's waggle free.
Mario Kart 8 has its moments but is full of flaws. Pretty sure I laid them all out in the MK thread, so no need to rehash. The hover was a nice change of pace, but overall the series just keeps getting worse.
Mario Kart 8 has its moments but is full of flaws. Pretty sure I laid them all out in the MK thread, so no need to rehash. The hover was a nice change of pace, but overall the series just keeps getting worse.
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The Wii U had pretty low specs and that was 3 years ago, i'd be surprised if it was still that level (especially since we have word that Dark Souls 3 was running on the Switch).
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Wow, I was dead certain that Nintendo would maintain radio silence about the Switch. Very cool to be proven wrong! ...and Shiggy doing the Wonder Red thumb...!
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If Zelda is day one for the Switch, pretty sure I will be too.
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Does it? We were sorta promised something on the scale of Skyrim. It didn't look like anything approaching that; it was desolate, with very little detail or texture. If anything, I was let down a bit by that presentation.
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But I guess texture is valid.
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Looks pretty damn desolate to me
I actually hope this is an early build, with textures and objects stripped out to make it run smooth for the presentation.
I actually hope this is an early build, with textures and objects stripped out to make it run smooth for the presentation.
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Zelda didn't look that impressive to me, although we also didn't see enough. But yeah, the textures in the world look terrible (sorry about the negativity).
Jimmy overdoes it a little, but he does sound like a real fan. And that's probably a good thing for marketing this thing to the people watching his show. At least it's a nice contrast to say, Conan having no idea what he's doing.
Jimmy overdoes it a little, but he does sound like a real fan. And that's probably a good thing for marketing this thing to the people watching his show. At least it's a nice contrast to say, Conan having no idea what he's doing.
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Can't disagree with any of the above; it just seems like Nintendo's vision for Zelda hits perfectly for my tastes. Every time they go with a stylized look it just seems right.
That screenshot looks as barren as described, but it didn't come off that way in motion when we weren't just staring at that one clearing.
That screenshot looks as barren as described, but it didn't come off that way in motion when we weren't just staring at that one clearing.
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On another note, one of the most longstanding bits of speculation (though there haven't been any credible rumors to support it) is that the Switch would play Nintendo's mobile games. Reggie says that's not the case, at least for Super Mario Run:
Development for Super Mario Run is different than development for Nintendo Switch [the company's all-new Wii U successor, coming in March 2017]. With Switch we're going to have a variety of input devices, a variety of ways for you to interact with the game. Here, it's all the screen. So it's a different type of development challenge. But at the core, our developers are looking to create content that you really can't get anywhere else, you can't experience anywhere else...that's a core philosophy that's going to continue.
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Isn't SMR's entire UI tapping the screen? How in the world can you map that to a button?
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You're right that it'd be a whole different kettle of fish without a touchscreen, although it's still somewhere in the realm of probably-a-bad-idea-but-not-completely-impossible. Reggie, from that same interview:
Super Mario Run on Apple TV? Not now
"You know...we haven't even launched Super Mario Run yet, so we haven't even thought about those types of applications, but again, what I would say is, we developed this to live on these kinds of screens, and to be played in this type of experience, and we think that's what it's best for. Let's see what happens after the 15th of December."
"You know...we haven't even launched Super Mario Run yet, so we haven't even thought about those types of applications, but again, what I would say is, we developed this to live on these kinds of screens, and to be played in this type of experience, and we think that's what it's best for. Let's see what happens after the 15th of December."