Swatting : The New Gaming "Prank"
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I know we're in a new era of F*ck The Police, but none of this situation is their fault. It is the fault of the person phoning in the false report. 100%.
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It's not a "line", and I don't appreciate the dismissive tone. It's a valid concern that the police are being overly militarized and can't wait to do shit like this. Hell, I'm not even sure probable cause is a thing any more, much less a right.
As to training, in virtually every case, they'd be better served and safer carrying the weapons they use every day. They ones they train with.
As to training, in virtually every case, they'd be better served and safer carrying the weapons they use every day. They ones they train with.
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It amazes me that this is even possible. If cops show up to an address and nothing obviously illegal is observed, didn't they used to knock on the door and actually investigate instead of kicking it down and getting everyone in the house on the floor at gunpoint? A sole anonymous 911 call shouldn't even approach the threshold for this level of response.
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This discussion probably belongs more in the politics section, but whether you want to call it 'F*ck the Police' or calling out the system as a whole, it's lunacy to maintain a system where a kid can call the police and with no other corroboration or reason, they go kick in a door and charge in screaming 'get the fuck down.' That level of response is idiotic based on a single phone call. In this instance, I'd say both the person calling it in and the police were 100% in the wrong. If fault had to be divvied up, I'd hold the police to a higher standard than some random jackass kid. An anonymous claim should be enough to merit investigation and attention, not an all out assault.
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Is that really how things used to be done? I thought police would show up, knock on a door, question who answered and take action based on the observed circumstances. I didn't realize they had to check multiple ids of the caller before doing anything. But yes, I'd still rather have that system.
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The standard operating procedure that SWAT teams here (I'm on Canada's west coast) used back in the 90s was much more aggressive than what I saw in the video. Very often, they would throw a stun grenade into the room before even going in or saying anything.
I remember one newspaper story where a SWAT team raided the wrong house. When the residents were interviewed, they said they thought it was a home invasion.
I remember one newspaper story where a SWAT team raided the wrong house. When the residents were interviewed, they said they thought it was a home invasion.
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It's not a "line", and I don't appreciate the dismissive tone. It's a valid concern that the police are being overly militarized and can't wait to do shit like this. Hell, I'm not even sure probable cause is a thing any more, much less a right.
As to training, in virtually every case, they'd be better served and safer carrying the weapons they use every day. They ones they train with.
As to training, in virtually every case, they'd be better served and safer carrying the weapons they use every day. They ones they train with.
Also, once again, these are SWAT officers. They are carrying the weapons they use and train every day with.
#34
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The standard operating procedure that SWAT teams here (I'm on Canada's west coast) used back in the 90s was much more aggressive than what I saw in the video. Very often, they would throw a stun grenade into the room before even going in or saying anything.
I remember one newspaper story where a SWAT team raided the wrong house. When the residents were interviewed, they said they thought it was a home invasion.
I remember one newspaper story where a SWAT team raided the wrong house. When the residents were interviewed, they said they thought it was a home invasion.
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Speaking of internet anonymity and acting like jerk...
Of course not. Watch the video. Listen to the cops. They had nothing.
A citizen (could have been you) sat there in cuffs at gunpoint for at least the 5 minutes on video, probably much longer afterwards, and all it took was an anonymous call and his address. And even after it was patently obvious nothing was going on, they were still grilling him and acting like douchebags.
Hell, I'm not even a hardcore libertarian, and this stuff pisses me right off.
So you don't think they have probable cause in these cases?
A citizen (could have been you) sat there in cuffs at gunpoint for at least the 5 minutes on video, probably much longer afterwards, and all it took was an anonymous call and his address. And even after it was patently obvious nothing was going on, they were still grilling him and acting like douchebags.
Hell, I'm not even a hardcore libertarian, and this stuff pisses me right off.
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Speaking of internet anonymity and acting like jerk...
Of course not. Watch the video. Listen to the cops. They had nothing.
A citizen (could have been you) sat there in cuffs at gunpoint for at least the 5 minutes on video, probably much longer afterwards, and all it took was an anonymous call and his address. And even after it was patently obvious nothing was going on, they were still grilling him and acting like douchebags.
Hell, I'm not even a hardcore libertarian, and this stuff pisses me right off.
Of course not. Watch the video. Listen to the cops. They had nothing.
A citizen (could have been you) sat there in cuffs at gunpoint for at least the 5 minutes on video, probably much longer afterwards, and all it took was an anonymous call and his address. And even after it was patently obvious nothing was going on, they were still grilling him and acting like douchebags.
Hell, I'm not even a hardcore libertarian, and this stuff pisses me right off.
They had what sounded like a legitimate threat that was called in that needed to be acted on immediately. It sucks, but if this was a real threat where someone was in immediate danger (bomb, armed gunman, etc), I think the alternative of "okay, lets now start doing some research and figure out whether or not this is legitimate while in the mean time people are now dead" is a better good alternative.
I'd be okay with a better solution, if I heard one.
Also, he wasn't being held in cuffs "at gunpoint". Yes, their guns were drawn and pointed at a potential threat, until he was handcuffed. I don't see a problem with this.
As for the douchebaggery... Put yourselves in their shoes for a second. They think they are about to get into a possible shootout and their adrenaline is pumping. Naturally seconds later when they realize this shit is just a joke, they are going to be pissed off and vent a little. It may be "unprofessional" but they didn't do anything terribly wrong.
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I think the lesson here is one should always be livestreaming Mario games, because there's no way the police could mistake that for real life violence.
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http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/27/607...yer-slammed-to
Hopefully the caller gets tracked down and gets punished severely for this.
#45
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Yeah, so are there stories of how the assholes who call in these bogus threats are caught, if at all? I would think that's a felony, calling in a SWAT team on a knowingly bogus charge - but I guess it's hard to prove? I would love to see a SWAT team break into these asshole's homes and throw them onto the ground.
#49
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Looking around, I found this, and this quote really pissed me off:
For Toulouse that consequence-free harassment even included swatting, essentially tricking a law enforcement agency to respond to a person's house for what they think is a violent confrontation.
"Even the swatting thing, only now that Justin Bieber gets swatted, do prosecutors go, 'Oh, we should probably do something about this'," he said.
"I couldn't get the Seattle police interested to save their lives, in prosecuting the kids who were doing this. I'm like, 'Come on, guys, they're sending your SWAT team out. What if you shot somebody. Don't you have an interest in going after these kids?'
And they're like, 'No, because they are kids and at the end of the day it will be a juvenile sentence in juvenile court and that doesn't give prosecutors headlines.'"
"Even the swatting thing, only now that Justin Bieber gets swatted, do prosecutors go, 'Oh, we should probably do something about this'," he said.
"I couldn't get the Seattle police interested to save their lives, in prosecuting the kids who were doing this. I'm like, 'Come on, guys, they're sending your SWAT team out. What if you shot somebody. Don't you have an interest in going after these kids?'
And they're like, 'No, because they are kids and at the end of the day it will be a juvenile sentence in juvenile court and that doesn't give prosecutors headlines.'"
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