Finished Knights of the Old Republic - Question (Spoilers)

[SleepyW]

I just finished the first Star Wars: KOTOR on a light side quest. Excellent game, BTW! But I have a question reagarding finishing the game on a dark side quest. I'll put the rest in spoilers just in case I give away anything to those who haven't played it yet.

Spoiler:

Throughout the game, there is the "bond" between the character and Bastila, which seems to be leading up to a possible romantic relationship. But then she's captured and turned to the dark side. That led to me having to kill her near the end, much to my surprise. OK, I know it's just a video game, but I totally had the hots for her and I was shocked when I actually had to kill her. I thought I'd stop right beforehand and spare her or something...or find out at the end that she wasn't really dead.

So my question is, if I play the dark side quest:

Spoiler:

From the point where I choose to team up with Bastila at the temple and kill my 2 Jedi friends so we can go after Malak ourselves, how does it change the end of the game? Does she still die, and what happens to everything if I choose the dark path? Or instead of just finding out, is it worth playing through the end that way to see for myself? I have a save point from right after I kill the other 2 Jedi at the temple and join forces with her...so I'm looking at another 1 1/2 of play time to finish. Is it worth it?

[Eplicon]

Without giving away too much, if you decide to turn to the dark side, you will get a different and darker ending following your confrontation with Malak.

Spoiler:

Bastilla will be at your side during the "celebration" as the Sith have now taken over the galaxy, courtesy of your actions.

If you don't have the patience to play it through again from the point where you have to make that crucial decision, just use the cheat mode and zip on through to the end.

[Bluebomber]

Spoiler:

It go go two ways, either you kill Bastilla at the temple on the grounds that hey can't trust her anyway or you two team up to take on Malak, she survives if you go that route and is shown in the end scene.

[SleepyW]

And no make-out scene? Bummer.

[Bluebomber]

Nope, guess it isn't all that comfortable to make out with a person who will eventually stab you in the back.

[kgrogers1979]

Spoiler:

If you go back to the Ebon Hawk with Bastila, Carth and the others will wonder where Jolee and Juhani are. At that point, you can tell Carth you are Dark Side, and he will get scared and run away. You can also Force persuade Zaalbar to kill Mission.

There are some other different cutscenes too. The cutscenes that show the Republic ships attacking the Star Forge are slightly different. The Yoda-like Jedi's ship explodes if you are Dark.

It is worth it to play a new game as a Dark Jedi. Some of the other things in the game change too. You can Force choke people and others you can scare so bad they run away. Also, your appearence changes the more Dark Side you become. If you get your Light/Dark meter thing maxed on the Dark Side, your character is more ugly than the Emperor in Return of the Jedi.

[Save Ferris]

Actually there is a good side ending you're looking for...

Spoiler:

I was able to turn Bastila over to the light and have a romantic ending with her. I believe it was on the space station somewhere not on the planets surface where I turned her. It probably will depend on how your relationship is built up to that point to get the options to pursuade her. Also, if you play as a female character there is another romance scenario with a different character--and im not talking about carth.

[DealMan]

Spoiler:

I actually had a romantic moment with bastilla about 10 hours into the dark side game. There was a moment on the Ebon Hawk where she pulled me aside to talk in private and grabbed me and kissed me, then started blabbering about how that was inappropriate and how we shouldn't talk about it etc...

[Breakfast with Girls]

You didn't have to kill her. It is possible to save her.

[SleepyW]

I tried a few of the different conversation scenarios to persuade her to turn to the light side, but they never worked....I figured there was no way to turn her. I'll have to see if I have a save point back before I fought her, but I think I saved another game on top of it.

[Static Cling]

I turned her back from the dark side. I made my character highly persuasive, so maybe that helped. Perhaps it was also our relationship before that... I pushed the romantic angle with her.

[Save Ferris]

There is a lesbian romance in the game but I dont hear about many people playing it out.

[Breakfast with Girls]

Originally Posted by SleepyW

I tried a few of the different conversation scenarios to persuade her to turn to the light side, but they never worked....I figured there was no way to turn her. I'll have to see if I have a save point back before I fought her, but I think I saved another game on top of it.

Yeah, your influence with her dictates whether you'll succeed or not.

[Josh H]

I was able to turn her back to the light side at that battle as well. I never managed to get through atain on the dark side. I started on it a year after doing the light side, but going around being a dick and killing everyone just got old fast for me and I only made it about half way before getting sick of it.

[SleepyW]

I was always a smart-ass with her abou the romance, but pursued it...I only had 3 or so persuasion points, so maybe that was too low. But after playing through once, iot's nice to know what to spend force points on if I want to play it again.

[outer-edge]

I brought her back as well. I figured I'd need to kill her, but then she decided to fight on the light side again.

[Eplicon]

I played KOTOR with my character as a female (named her Eplicana), so she obviously didn't get any in the end.

Persuading characters can be hit-and-miss, even when you have high persuasion points. When I played it, I wanted to settle the Sandral-Matale feud so both fathers agreed to let their children marry. It took me like a dozen tries from a saved point before I could accomplish that. Most of the the time both fathers would be stubborn in their resolve.

[RoQuEr]

Romance Spoiler:

Spoiler:

A. Bastila (Romance)

You can hold 12 different conversations with Bastila throughout the game. When
a conversation is available, the game will tell you, however, you can start
one before the game tells you. The "romance" portion of the quest can only
take place if you play as a male character.

The first four conversations all become available on Taris and Dantooine.
Conversation 1 - Bastila demands you tell her what you've been doing since
her ship crashed, and tells you of your Force sensitivity.
Conversation 2 - Bastila questions you about your past so she can judge your
character.
Conversation 3 - Bastila asks when you started to notice your ability to
command the Force. She then warns you about the evils of the dark side. Ask
why she is so upset, but she won't explain.
Conversation 4 - Bastila gets nervous about your lack of training in the
Force.

Conversations 5 through 7 are available after you collect the first star map.
If you haven't reached Conversation 5 before you collect the second star map,
the romance subplot ends.
Conversation 5 - Bastila explains that she was taken from her family at a
young age and her relations with her family.
Conversation 6 - Bastila comments on your light side/dark side leanings, she
compliments you if you lean toward the light side and warns you if you lean
towards the dark side.
Conversation 7 - You ask Bastila why the Jedi council sent you on this mission
with so little training.

Conversations 8 through 10 are available after you collect the second star
map. If you haven't reached Conversation 8 before you reach the third star
map, the romance subplot ends.
Conversation 8 - Bastila confesses how she's come to depend on you, and
commends your progress.
Conversation 9 - Bastila again comments on your light side/dark side
direction. If you're dark side, Bastila asks how it feels to do whatever you
want. If you're light side, Bastila asks how you're able to control yourself
without training.
Conversation 10 - Bastila confesses that she's never made it past the rank of
Padawan and that she should have left you at Dantooine. If you mock Bastila at
this point, the romance subplot ends. Be supportive to continue the subplot.

Conversations 11 and 12 are available after you collect the third star map.
You must complete Coversation 12 before collecting the fourth star map or the
romance subplot ends.
Conversation 11 - Bastila confesses her love for you. You can ignore her
feelings and end the romance subplot, or respond in kind.
Conversation 12 - Bastila confesses that she is still in love with you. If
you're light side, she remarks on how much stronger you are than she is, and
begs you to see the quest through, no matter what. If you're dark side, you
can try to tempt her. Bastila asks how you feel about her. If you say you
don't feel the same, the romance still continues through the rest of the
game.

If you are on the dark side instead of conversation 10 you will probably get
a scene where you and Bastila kiss. After this, Bastila says the kiss was a
mistake. When this scene is over do not talk to her again or a bug will cause
the romance to end. You will know it worked if at the temple on the Unknown
World you ask her "How will I know you won't betray me?" and she should say
something about her passion for you.

B. Carth (Romance)

You can hold 15 different conversations with Carth throughout the game. The
game will tell you when Carth wants to talk, but you can hold a conversation
with him earlier. This "romance" quest can only take place if you are a female
character.

The first four conversations all become available on Taris.
Conversation 1 - Carth asks what you were doing during the battle that crashed
the ship, and states that he intends to keep a close eye on you. (If Bastila
is present she argues with Carth.)
Conversation 2 - You can ask if Carth has a problem with you, and he admits to
your expertise and tells you about how he won't trust anyone.
Conversation 3 - Carth angrily tells you a tale of betrayal of Revan and the
Republic fleet and apologizes for how he's treated you.
Conversation 4 - Carth talks about Saul, the current admiral of the Sith
fleet, and how he and Saul were once close friends.

Conversations 5 and 6 are available after you collect the first star map. If
you haven't reached Conversation 5 before you collect the second star map, the
romance subplot ends.
Conversation 5 - Carth asks some pointed question about your conversations
with the Jedi Council (you can answer or ignore). If Bastila is present, she
tells Carth to mind his own business. If you're light side, Carth wants to
know how you have so much responsiblity; if you're dark side, Carth mentions
your inclinations.
Conversation 6 - Carth apologizes to you and mentions he wants Saul dead, but
he also wants to help out with your main mission.

Conversations 7 and 8 are available after you collect the second star map. If
you haven't reached Conversation 7 before you collect the third star map, the
romance subplot ends.
Conversation 7 - You ask Carth why he wants revenge on Saul, and he
relates how Saul devastated the planet his wife and son lived on. His wife
died, and his son disappeared. This opens up an extra quest on Korriban.
Conversation 8 - Carth says he doesn't believe the dark side can change
someone so completely. If you're dark side, Carth expresses his concern.

Conversations 9 and 10 are available after you collect the third star map. If
you haven't reached Conversation 9 before you collect the fourth star map, the
romance subplot ends.
Conversation 9 - You can ask Carth why he seems so distant. He explains that
he's had difficulty remembering his wife's face.
Conversation 10 - You can ask Carth what he plans to do after he takes revenge
on Saul and he doesn't know, for he always focused on killing Saul and assumed
he would be dead too, but now he has a reason to live.

Conversations 11 and 12 are available after you collect the fourth star map.
If you haven't reached Conversation 12 before you collect the fifth star map,
the romance subplot ends.
Conversation 11 - Carth compliments your strongest skill and mentions that
you've been invaluable to him and the team.
Conversation 12 - Carth expresses his concern for you. If you're light side,
he's worried that you're making yourself a target. If you're dark side, he's
worried about how much you've succumbed to violence and anger.

Conversation 13 takes place after the Leviathan. Bastila has been taken and
Saul has been killed. Carth tells you a shocking bit of information. You can
express surprise and tell Carth he has nothing to do with your destiny (which
ends the romance subplot), or that you won't follow the same path. How much he
believes you depends on your light side or dark side leanings.

Conversation 14 takes place before the Unknown World encounter at the temple
summit. Carth speaks to you before the challenge and promises to protect you.

Conversation 15 takes place after the Unknown World encounter. If you've
chosen the dark side, Carth runs off and swears that he'll save you. If you've
chosen the light side, Carth expresses his love for you and you can return that
love for him.

If you decide to restore your title of Dark Lord of the Sith by falling to the
dark side you will kill Carth right after you defeat Malak.

[Save Ferris]

Originally Posted by Eplicon

I played KOTOR with my character as a female (named her Eplicana), so she obviously didn't get any in the end.

There is actually a lesbian romance available, as well as an option to romance Carth if you are so inclined.

[ben12]

There should be an incest romance option, what with it being a Star Wars tradition and all (Luke & Leia makin' out).

[areacode212]

I just finished playing KOTOR myself, and like the OP, I totally had the hots for Bastila. It's a lot of fun to wind her up and get her all frustrated at you...major UST there. Unfortunately, I was playing a female, so I didn't get any romance option with her. Yeah, I think the key to saving her is to talk to her a lot throughout the game, and have high persuasion (my character was a smooth-talking scoundrel type). And even though I was a Light Side female, I didn't really get anywhere with the

Spoiler:

Juhani

lesbian romance...I must've taken a wrong conversation choice somewhere. Eh, I didn't like her much anyway.

By the way, one of the posters above mentioned that you could team up with her to fight Malak. Is this true? I kept trying to convince her to come with me, but she just stayed behind to use her Battle Meditation against the Sith.

I think I'll take a break for now (maybe finally start Fallout 2), then go back and play as a Dark Jedi.

Did anyone else think that Carth was unbearably annoying, what with all the whining?

[SleepyW]

I finally played this again but as an evil guy...much quicker game and better force powers. The game was WAY to easy the 2nd time around and I ended up joining Bastilla to win at the end. But you do not team up with her to fight the big battle...you must do it alone--not that it's very hard. It's actually a LOT easier than 4 or 5 of the other battles within the game.

[Kicker_of_Elves]

Haven't played the game in a while but I still want to kill Carth.

[Giantrobo]

Originally Posted by SleepyW

I finally played this again but as an evil guy...much quicker game and better force powers. The game was WAY to easy the 2nd time around and I ended up joining Bastilla to win at the end. But you do not team up with her to fight the big battle...you must do it alone--not that it's very hard. It's actually a LOT easier than 4 or 5 of the other battles within the game.

I'm almost done with the game on the Dark side....but I can't finish the big battle. I've been stuck since last year. I was new to this kind of RPG so I think I focused on the wrong things in terms of upgrading powers and abilities.

[areacode212]

Yeah, the battle with Malak was pretty tough for me, because my character wasn't really built for fighting...more of a support-type character (my main offensive force powers were stasis field & destroy droid). I relied on Juhani & Bastila for tanking. But, I was able to get through it using the Sith Shield and a lot of life-support packs. Maybe grenades would help, as well.