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Old 05-18-17, 04:35 PM   #26
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

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Barry couldn't​ run in the facility. Cisco said there was some sort of technology in the building that stopped any metahumans power from working.
Maybe they should have stolen that technology to use against Savitar.

And if powers are negated in Argus, how was King Shark able to regenerate his severed hand?
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Old 05-18-17, 05:11 PM   #27
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

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Maybe they should have stolen that technology to use against Savitar.

And if powers are negated in Argus, how was King Shark able to regenerate his severed hand?
Dude, that's just basic biology, Sharks can regenerate their hands in real life
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Old 05-18-17, 05:25 PM   #28
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

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Dude, that's just basic biology, Sharks can regenerate their hands in real life
Not instantly like King Shark did. I know sharks can't regenerate entire fins, but they can regenerate skin and scales (and teeth, oboy do they regenerate teeth).
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Old 05-18-17, 05:38 PM   #29
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

Always good to have Snart in the mix, but Barry still hasn't learned shit about time travel in three years. Hmm, everytime I travel back in time I fuck up the present/future. What's my plan? How about travel back in time and partner with someone to change the future? I'll just bring him back to this exact moment and nothing will go wrong. Genius!

Good call on the transmogrifier swap. If that's what happened it had to have happened much earlier like stiger said, and not during the climax. I thought it was odd that HR wasn't on the roof. They did lay it on pretty thick with HR not adding much to the team the last few episodes. Also, it true, they pulled a page right out of the Walking Dead's playbook. "Let's give this B-character a touching moment 45 minutes before we kill him."

So did Cisco make a second transmogrifier? One for HR & Iris? They would need two to make this plan work.

If the swap happened much earlier, (i.e. Iris as HR gave up the E2 location and Savitar took HR from Earth 2) that would mean Iris was masquerading as HR on Earth 1. So she made the plea to Tracy to join Team Flash and the freakout/goodbye to Cisco doesn't make much sense. Joe looked distraught on the roof, so if this was the plan, he clearly wasn't in on it.

Lastly, King Shark!

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kim brown is getting old!
Yeah, she wasn't looking too hot in this one. Her giving Barry the Dominator tech was pretty stupid though. You saved a criminal's life...here you go!
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Old 05-18-17, 06:31 PM   #30
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

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Maybe they should have stolen that technology to use against Savitar.

And if powers are negated in Argus, how was King Shark able to regenerate his severed hand?
Comic book logic: The device only works on Earth-1 metas. Earth-2 metas operate on a different frequency.
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Old 05-18-17, 06:51 PM   #31
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

Iris is dead..
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Until the next episode.
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Old 05-18-17, 08:42 PM   #32
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

Transmogrified time remnant of Barry/Wally. Using one remnant against another.

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Old 05-18-17, 10:09 PM   #33
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

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Iris is dead..
Yes! Now they can bring back Patty!

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Old 05-19-17, 02:20 AM   #34
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

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Transmogrified time remnant of Barry/Wally. Using one remnant against another.
It would have to be Wally but that's an idea.
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Old 05-19-17, 08:32 AM   #35
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

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Maybe they should have stolen that technology to use against Savitar.
At the very least, they should have put Iris in there. It's the one place Savitar couldn't get to her.
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Old 05-19-17, 08:53 AM   #36
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Good call on the transmogrifier swap. If that's what happened it had to have happened much earlier like stiger said, and not during the climax.
If it happened earlier lots of other scenes don't make sense. It would mean that Joe and HR had that touching dance scene while reminiscing on the past. (Of course, it might explain why Iris couldn't remember the name of the song Joe sang.)

Plus, it would mean that Iris voluntarily allowed H.R. to die in her place. That would be a pretty shitty/uncharacteristic thing for her character to do.

The switch almost certainly happened during the shooting scene. Savitar dropping Iris and running to the other side of Flash, with Flash's back to Iris was pretty obviously framed in a way to allow a switch. Possibly aided by Jesse Quick or by Gypsy. I'm leaning toward Gypsy, since she originally wanted HR dead and would be the most likely to agree to helping him to that end.

I'm anxious to see how they resolve this.
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

H.R. found love, it wouldn't make sense for him to essentially commit suicide. If he did we'll watch a video will from him next week.
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Old 05-19-17, 02:05 PM   #38
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

Eddie was in love with Iris in Season 1 and literally committed suicide for the greater good.

Ultimately, I think the best plan would be for Jesse Quick to have switched places with Iris and only pretended to die, letting the blade phase harmlessly through her. Then let Barry continue think Iris is dead (because what he knows, Savitar knows) until he is able to defeat Savitar. Then reveal Iris is still alive.
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

Are Black Flash on the Time Wraiths on strike? You'd figure with all this time travel they'd be all over the place.
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Old 05-19-17, 03:27 PM   #40
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

So Joe told Iris about a time when they stopped eating out FOR A MONTH to save money for college, then he took SOME of that money and went on a cruise.

How often were the Wests eating out?
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

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So Joe told Iris about a time when they stopped eating out FOR A MONTH to save money for college, then he took SOME of that money and went on a cruise.

How often were the Wests eating out?
Single cop dad who probably wasn't around to cook. I would guess a lot.
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Old 05-20-17, 07:26 AM   #42
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

One of the "future headlines" they were tracking on the board was JOE WEST HONORED AT CITY HALL. Did that ever happen? If not, I wonder if Joe sacrifices himself somehow in the finale.
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Old 05-20-17, 02:15 PM   #43
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

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Great episode. Spoilered speculation:
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I think Savitar killed HR, who used that tech thingie to make himself look like Iris. His rant against his own lack of skills earlier was either a fake out or was the catalyst to sacrifice himself.
My theory:

Spoiler:
It's Julian disguised as Iris. Don't forget the last we saw of him was in E21 where he professes his love to KF & she replies that she never loved him. He did not appear with the team at the end of the episode with TF & Tracy nor did he appear in E22.

What might have happened is that since he was so distraught about the KF rejection, he goes out after her; you might say he's a glutton for punishment.
He goes back to the complex a broken man. He learns about the tech & absconds it. He gets Iris alone & drugs her. After hiding her, he uses the tech & becomes Iris before going to Earth 2, sacrificing his life as the result.

What happens after the reveal is anybody's guess.

I'm surprised that nobody in this thread talked about Julian being missed!

Well, that's my story & I'm stuck with it!
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Old 05-20-17, 02:42 PM   #44
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

Do we need speculation spoilers?

Julian is probalby the best theory for all the reasons you mention. Not to mention nobody (the audience) missed him nor anyone on Team Flash apparently.

He only exists because of Flashpoint. He has plenty of hate for Savitar as much as anybody and nothing to lose. So to take out Savitar and Julian would button up Flashpoint pretty good.
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Re: The Flash (S3E22) -- "Infantino Street" -- 5/16/17

Julian has never been a constant since his introduction. From what I have seen he is listed as a guest very time he does appear. So why is it noteworthy when he does or does not show up?

That said, I sure hope not they have Julian save the day. Without any setup that would be a pretty lame way to end all this. At least if it was HR there is some logic to it presented in the episodes leading up to the reveal.
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