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Childhood's End (SyFy) -- 3-Night MiniSeries Event -- Premieres 12/14/15



Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End, one of the most-acclaimed science fiction novels of all time, will come to life in the first-ever adaptation beginning December 14 on Syfy. This six-hour television event from Syfy and Universal Cable Productions will air over three consecutive nights on Monday, December 14, Tuesday, December 15 and Wednesday, December 16 from 8-10PM (ET/PT). Executive produced by award-winning producers Akiva Goldsman (Lone Survivor, A Beautiful Mind, I Am Legend) and Michael De Luca (Captain Phillips, Moneyball, The Social Network), the star-studded cast is led by Charles Dance (Game of Thrones), Mike Vogel (Under the Dome), Daisy Betts (The Last Resort), Yael Stone (Orange is the New Black), Julian McMahon (Nip/Tuck), Osy Ikhile (The Fear) and Colm Meaney (Star Trek: The Next Generation). Childhood's End follows the peaceful invasion of Earth by the alien Overlords, who promise to eliminate poverty, war and sickness - ushering in a golden age of peace, health and security for all of humankind. But why do the Overlords insist on hiding their appearance - and what do they ultimately want from Earth? While much of the world enjoys its newfound utopia, some suspect there's a price to pay. As the truth about the Overlords' intentions are revealed, humanity will discover its actual destiny may actually be a nightmare, instead of a dream.

PRINCIPAL CAST INFORMATION:
· Charles Dance as Karellen
· Colm Meaney as Wainwright
· Daisy Betts as Ellie
· Julian McMahon as Rupert Boyce
· Mike Vogel as Ricky Stormgren
· Osy Ikhile as Milo
· Yael Stone as Peretta Jones


CREW INFORMATION:
· Akiva Goldsman as EP
· Alissa Phillips as CO-EP
· Arthur C. Clarke as BOOK
· Matthew Graham as WRTR/EP
· Michael DeLuca as EP
· Nick Hurran as DIR

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· based on a book
· mini-series

3-part Miniseries premieres tonight on SyFy.

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I already set this to record. Looks watchable.

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Re: Childhood's End (SyFy) -- 3-Night MiniSeries Event -- Premieres 12/14/15

I'll be watching, though I am a bit concerned that it will be bloated. The novel was fairly short, and I'm not sure it needs six hours.
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Well, it's surprisingly faithful to the book so far.
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Well, it's surprisingly faithful to the book so far.
Well, that highly depends on your definition of faithful. If it means "roughly the same basic concepts", then yes. If it does not include major changes to characters, timelines, and events, then no.

Having said that, given this is a SyFy show, then I guess that the show is recognizable at all from the book source is indeed surprisingly faithful.

Just off the top of my head...

Spoiler:

The use of images of the dead to communicate was a major and IMO unwelcome change, adding a feel of tawdry theatrics to how the Overlords arrived and interacted with humans. Their interactions with Stormgren pushed this even further with the enticement of a dead lover, turning their dealings with humans into something bluntly manipulative. The book Overlords were never that blatant or crass.

Several other deviations from the book (the manner of Stormgren's alien abduction, the drug dealer's death, the infant's curing) made the Overlords far more sensationalist and flashily dramatic than they ever were in the book. In the book they were very minimalist, very understated - making displays of non-action a far more ominous message than force ever could. Clarke knew best on this point - less is sometimes more when trying to depict mystery and suspicion. SyFy instead decided to pander to their baser audience, with unnecessary flash cribbed from low brow invasion fair like Independence Day.

Stormgren was changed from a learned and experienced statesman to a flustered everyman. While this did add depth to a somewhat two dimensional book character, it also diminished the character's thoughtful skepticism of and debates with the Overlords and the actions he took accordingly. In the book his character was humanity's intellectual and emotional rival to the Overlords unmatchable power and wisdom, the show lost all that in its ineffective attempt to make the character relatable (the weak performance of the actor didn't help either).

Wainwright was changed from a fanatical but basically peaceful cynic into a power hungry villain. An Irish tinted cross of Dr. No and Jay Jonah Jameson, as much of a cardboard cutout caricature as that description sounds. The book character didn't have much depth either, and basically faded to obscurity as his movement failed to take hold (and more fanatical movements imploded), but he wasn't totally ridiculous and made a reasonable representative for an expected skeptics social movement.

Which leads to the abduction of Stormgren. In the book the execution was cold war spy drama in its intricacy, Wainwright had no involvement in it, and the abductors were only after intelligence on the Overlords. In fact in their intent to resist they had some ideological common ground with Stormgren, and their talks were his inspiration the latter attempt of espionage on Karellan. The TV series reduces the abduction to a simple kidnapping (where were the secret service guards you KNOW would be on site?), the abductors to murdering terrorists too stupid to realize killing Stormgren would only make him a martyr.

And the show's depiction of Stormgren's attempt to expose Karellan lost all of the subtle power of the book. In the book his inspiration to try was a result of his discussions and debates with his freedom movement abductors. The method he used to spy on the Overlords requiring far more planning, collaboration, and technical effort than just whipping out a digital camera. Even more importantly, Karellan's allowance of a glimpse was both an act of farewell compassion for his human friend's curiosity and an act of defiance to his own bindings of servitude.

The timeline of when the Overlords revealed themselves was significantly shortened - from 50 years to 15. This leaves the character of Stormgren alive in act two of the story, a potentially major story shift depending on how the show progresses. It also makes it harder to believe humanity would get past the shock effect of Karellan's appearance, and I've some fears of how SyFy might instead play that up (the alterations of the Overlords appearance to make them look even more satanic and human like already pushes the issue). The staging of the reveal was also slightly changed, for the much worse - in the book Karellan did not request a line of children to be present on his arrival, he simply asked a random pair of them from a crowd of spectators to come up to greet him. The show changed a seemingly spontaneous act of friendship (all the more ominous for its manipulative subtlety) into a banal and transparent performance.

The one bright spot of change is in the character of Milo (Jan in the book) Rodricks to an inner city kid with a razor sharp mind. In the book the character was one of the few given any depth, but even then it was mostly just the depth of motivation - motivation to reveal the Overlords' home planet, motivation to stow away to get there, motivation to document the final end of Earth. WHO Jan/Milo Rodricks was as a person was only marginally touched, mostly through action (Clarke's main weakness as an author was his characters notoriously lacked depth). The show, although again stumbling by having the Overlords directly intervene in Rodricks' fate, gives a welcome expansion to his persona and drive. I'm just not certain other changes (like shortening the timeline of the Overlords' reveal, just to get Rodricks into act one) make how Rodricks was changed worth it.

Overall I don't think the show is, so far, a travesty of the source material, but it definitely does more to diminish it than to do it justice. Mainly in the ill-conceived decision that what the story needed for a screen adaption was the addition of action and violence and shock. None of that was needed or welcome. The one area the story could have been significantly improved - adding dimension and humanity to the main characters - was the area the show mostly neglected.
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Nice detailed comparison to the source material for those of us who hadnt read the book.

I thought Karellan looked more goofey that anything.
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Well, that highly depends on your definition of faithful. If it means "roughly the same basic concepts", then yes. If it does not include major changes to characters, timelines, and events, then no.

Having said that, given this is a SyFy show, then I guess that the show is recognizable at all from the book source is indeed surprisingly faithful.

Just off the top of my head...

Spoiler:

The use of images of the dead to communicate was a major and IMO unwelcome change, adding a feel of tawdry theatrics to how the Overlords arrived and interacted with humans. Their interactions with Stormgren pushed this even further with the enticement of a dead lover, turning their dealings with humans into something bluntly manipulative. The book Overlords were never that blatant or crass.

Several other deviations from the book (the manner of Stormgren's alien abduction, the drug dealer's death, the infant's curing) made the Overlords far more sensationalist and flashily dramatic than they ever were in the book. In the book they were very minimalist, very understated - making displays of non-action a far more ominous message than force ever could. Clarke knew best on this point - less is sometimes more when trying to depict mystery and suspicion. SyFy instead decided to pander to their baser audience, with unnecessary flash cribbed from low brow invasion fair like Independence Day.

Stormgren was changed from a learned and experienced statesman to a flustered everyman. While this did add depth to a somewhat two dimensional book character, it also diminished the character's thoughtful skepticism of and debates with the Overlords and the actions he took accordingly. In the book his character was humanity's intellectual and emotional rival to the Overlords unmatchable power and wisdom, the show lost all that in its ineffective attempt to make the character relatable (the weak performance of the actor didn't help either).

Wainwright was changed from a fanatical but basically peaceful cynic into a power hungry villain. An Irish tinted cross of Dr. No and Jay Jonah Jameson, as much of a cardboard cutout caricature as that description sounds. The book character didn't have much depth either, and basically faded to obscurity as his movement failed to take hold (and more fanatical movements imploded), but he wasn't totally ridiculous and made a reasonable representative for an expected skeptics social movement.

Which leads to the abduction of Stormgren. In the book the execution was cold war spy drama in its intricacy, Wainwright had no involvement in it, and the abductors were only after intelligence on the Overlords. In fact in their intent to resist they had some ideological common ground with Stormgren, and their talks were his inspiration the latter attempt of espionage on Karellan. The TV series reduces the abduction to a simple kidnapping (where were the secret service guards you KNOW would be on site?), the abductors to murdering terrorists too stupid to realize killing Stormgren would only make him a martyr.

And the show's depiction of Stormgren's attempt to expose Karellan lost all of the subtle power of the book. In the book his inspiration to try was a result of his discussions and debates with his freedom movement abductors. The method he used to spy on the Overlords requiring far more planning, collaboration, and technical effort than just whipping out a digital camera. Even more importantly, Karellan's allowance of a glimpse was both an act of farewell compassion for his human friend's curiosity and an act of defiance to his own bindings of servitude.

The timeline of when the Overlords revealed themselves was significantly shortened - from 50 years to 15. This leaves the character of Stormgren alive in act two of the story, a potentially major story shift depending on how the show progresses. It also makes it harder to believe humanity would get past the shock effect of Karellan's appearance, and I've some fears of how SyFy might instead play that up (the alterations of the Overlords appearance to make them look even more satanic and human like already pushes the issue). The staging of the reveal was also slightly changed, for the much worse - in the book Karellan did not request a line of children to be present on his arrival, he simply asked a random pair of them from a crowd of spectators to come up to greet him. The show changed a seemingly spontaneous act of friendship (all the more ominous for its manipulative subtlety) into a banal and transparent performance.

The one bright spot of change is in the character of Milo (Jan in the book) Rodricks to an inner city kid with a razor sharp mind. In the book the character was one of the few given any depth, but even then it was mostly just the depth of motivation - motivation to reveal the Overlords' home planet, motivation to stow away to get there, motivation to document the final end of Earth. WHO Jan/Milo Rodricks was as a person was only marginally touched, mostly through action (Clarke's main weakness as an author was his characters notoriously lacked depth). The show, although again stumbling by having the Overlords directly intervene in Rodricks' fate, gives a welcome expansion to his persona and drive. I'm just not certain other changes (like shortening the timeline of the Overlords' reveal, just to get Rodricks into act one) make how Rodricks was changed worth it.

Overall I don't think the show is, so far, a travesty of the source material, but it definitely does more to diminish it than to do it justice. Mainly in the ill-conceived decision that what the story needed for a screen adaption was the addition of action and violence and shock. None of that was needed or welcome. The one area the story could have been significantly improved - adding dimension and humanity to the main characters - was the area the show mostly neglected.
Yep, I meant it more as you stated in the second paragraph. But good write-up on the changes. I'm rusty on a lot of the details, but it did seem like the timeline was heavily condensed from the book.
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I thought this first part was poor and I won't be checking out the last two parts. This is poorly done sci-fi fantasy aimed at Blue State America. Read the novel by Clarke and skip this mini-series.
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While the first act of this series made several major, mostly poor quality, deviations from the source book but was still recognizable, the second act shreds its source to almost only be coincidental. Each event included from the book was twisted in intent, precursor, execution, and outcome. All to force an overbearing tone of malice and doom where none existed in the book. The result has about as much in common with the book as I, Robot the movie had with I, Robot the book, with a similar effect of sensationalizing and trivializing the source.

Overall the second act of this series makes for yet another science fiction classic run through a meat grinder and then shat on. A profound work of literature dumbed down and warped for consumption by an audience of low brow evil alien invasion fans. Sadly I'll probably watch the third act, vainly hoping for some note of redemption but mostly morbidly intent to see the train wreck through to its end.

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In the book there was no Stormgren travel illness (or anyone else having ill effects of Overlord pod travel), no Stormgren sterility (certainly not by design), no subsequent Karellan visits to him, or camp out of pilgrims at his house, or Overlord toys left with him (or anyone else). In fact, there was just plain no Stormgren at all in the second act of the book. I had worries about what the show would do leaving this character alive in the second act, and the show pretty much worked it to as banal an effect as they could.

In the book there was no Christian faith child counselor character, or anyone else remotely resembling one, or any cross destruction or any desecration of religious icons, or any other attempt to give the story a major The Exorcist like spin.

There was no scene even remotely close to Karellan being shot, or dying, or even being threatened, or him delivering suicide inducing messages of faith destruction.

In the book the Overlords were not directly involved in any human modification, or impregnation, or intrusive monitoring. They merely waited for humanity to change of its own evolution, accelerating that change only by removing the impediments of famine, war, and disease.

Jennifer was not a trigger of change in humanity's children, just one of many evolutionary changed natural births. Nor were there scattered incidents of sinister psychic children causing discord and destruction like something out of The Omen (the actions of the mass collective of group mind children in the book came much latter, and of a much different tone).

Milo (Jan) was not a biologist, nor was he the primary person to conjecture the premonition angle on why humans recognized the Overlords' physical appearance, nor someone who figured out the Overlords alphabet (their language was never really brought up in the book). Further, the idea that the Overlords would have an alphabet based on a view of Earth's constellations is ludicrous.

The show (so far) has marginalized New Athens from an important and idyllic island of intellectuals intent on preserving human creativity to a barely mentioned anarchist collective with a crime problem.

In the book the Overlords were not driving human interest in psychic phenomena, nor in any way facilitating or encouraging it, just observing it with a mild historical curiosity. They certainly did not deliver any cosmic portal opening Ouija boards (the magnitude that this part was so wrong, in book accuracy and story quality, is staggering).

Which leads to the Ouija party itself, which was so twisted from the book as to almost be unrecognizable. Rupert Boyce was a socialite and collector of paranormal texts, not an Overlord collaborator or subverter. His social gathering was nothing more than a pop culture party, just a gathering of interesting and famous people. Karellan was not present, instead it was another Overlord (Rashaverak), there not by party invite but because he was doing extended research of the contents of Boyce's library. The Overlord's interactions with the party goers was congenial social mingling and strictly passive, with no condescending or patronizing speech on the futility of human science, or ominous looming over a group of silent and intimidated guests, or forced direction of anyone's behavior. There was no Milo (Jan) outburst questioning the Overlord's motives, or any other grand standing accusation scene directed at the Overlords during the party. The Ouija board session was mostly spontaneous after party game event, prompted by Rupert's occult fascination, with many entertained participants. It was not a sinister and covert act with a single captive participant in an Overlord induced trance. In fact the Overlord was merely an observer of the session, neither suggesting nor enticing it, a mildly surprised witness to an outcome he may have been an unwitting catalyst to. Said outcome being far more subtle in nature in the book than the show - there was no unborn infant awakening alien portals, no light show effects, no demonic Overlord incantations. The sole dramatic effect was Ruth fainting, after the Ouija board revealed a cryptic answer to Milo's (Jan's) question of where the Overlords' home world was.
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What a clusterfuck of the source material this has become. I can understand the desire to try to streamline the plot, and give the audience a protagonist to follow through all three parts, but adding all this malevolent tampering by the Overlords into the plot is just ridiculous.
I hope this doesn't turn people off of the book.
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Wow, Cubicle Morlock, I remember liking the book quite a bit, but now I'm not sure I even want to try to watch this. Great writeup.
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Originally Posted by Cubicle Morlock
A profound work of literature dumbed down and warped for consumption by an audience of low brow evil alien invasion fans.
Agreed. Couldn't make it past 30 minutes of part 1 before I bailed...
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Which is a shame, because for the most part I liked the cast a great deal. I guess some credit should be given to Syfy for attempting to adapt Clarke's ambitious story but they should probably stay away from nuanced science fiction for future reference.
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They sure age well for twenty years.
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They sure age well for twenty years.
That was the thing that bothered me, -other than the kid, no one seemed noticeably older. Particularly the farmer and his wife, who apparently were still working on having a child.
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That was the thing that bothered me, -other than the kid, no one seemed noticeably older. Particularly the farmer and his wife, who apparently were still working on having a child.
Based on their real ages they would be in their mid fifties twenty years later. I doubt they would still be trying to have children. They could have done ten years without aging them much, however looking exacly the same from early thirties to ones fifties? I'll take that!
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Originally Posted by DWilson
That was the thing that bothered me, -other than the kid, no one seemed noticeably older. Particularly the farmer and his wife, who apparently were still working on having a child.
They did use the phrase "live forever" in one of the voiceovers, so I assume some kind of life extension tech was in use.
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So the overlords just go from planet to planet destroying civilizations. Whats the end game? Where did the children go? Do they live on in some way? This miniseries was aggravating.
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Originally Posted by Thrush
So the overlords just go from planet to planet destroying civilizations. Whats the end game? Where did the children go? Do they live on in some way? This miniseries was aggravating.
Because it wasn't explained worth a damn. Wikipedia can do a better job than me:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chil...ast_Generation
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I'm not going to bother writing up how act three compares to the source book, because it would be futile to catalog the distinctions of the unrecognizable. As an attempt to be an engaging and intelligent story it was, at least, not the abysmal affair of the second act. But that faint praise is all it merits.

I'm reminded of the old series Dragnet, where the episodes ended with "only the names have been changed...". In Childhood's End, the names were just about the only things that weren't changed.

The dual tragedy finale so poignantly painted in the book - of everything that humanity was ceasing to be, of the Overlords doomed to never be anything more than they are - was woefully short changed. The glimmer of hope - the wonder of what the children became, the chance that Rodricks' final testimony would be the key to the Overlords' prison - was totally missing.

And I'll not yammer on with the cynical and decades old speculations tossed out when media translations of literature sully and pervert their source. Of how the writers’ only exposure to the source material must have been a speed read of the CliffsNotes. Or how the producers must have taken the original script and said "this is good, but you know what would be great...". It doesn't matter, because this is far from the first screen production daring to label it's mediocre work with a classic author's name, and it will be far from the last. In the end, it’s just another missed opportunity, an exercise in wasted time.

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Is there anyone out there in DVDTalk land who watched this and enjoyed it? It's on my DVR, but I'm OK with flushing it if it's not good (as opposed to just less good than the books). I've never read the books.
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I am with MikahC on this one, sounds like I can save myself 6 hours of tv watching, and will nuke it from my tivo. Oh well, it gives me some time to catch up on The Expanse.
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I love the story and always wanted a $100M feature film. It would be in my top-10 wishlist (right before world peace and right after a Betty White/Bea Arthur threesome). I forgot this was on this week. I'm not motivated to watch it. But I'm sure I'll get around to it sometime. Disappointed such a great story ended up on the small(est) screen.
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In more positive news, I was very impressed by the sneak preview of The Magicians' pilot episode last night that ran after this ended.
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Okay, I heard Milos line, youth of utopia was the explanation for looking young.
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Re: Childhood's End (SyFy) -- 3-Night MiniSeries Event -- Premieres 12/14/15

Originally Posted by Thrush
So the overlords just go from planet to planet destroying civilizations. Whats the end game? Where did the children go? Do they live on in some way? This miniseries was aggravating.
Completely agree. Waste of time.


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