TURN: Washington's Spies (AMC) -- Series Thread
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TURN: Washington's Spies (AMC) -- Series Thread
Surprised have not seen anything on this yet, Looks like something up my alley. Jamie Bell Stars and I have liked him quite a bit in his movies.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/01/11/tu...an-revolution/
http://www.amctv.com/turn/videos/turn-revolutionary
Trailer is pretty fricking solid.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/01/11/tu...an-revolution/
This is odd: There haven’t been that many movies and TV shows about the American Revolution.
AMC’s Turn showrunner Craig Silverstein (Nikita) points this out during our interview and my first thought is that he must be wrong. Then he challenged me to name more than a half dozen or so titles. There just aren’t many when compared to the libraries of films and shows chronicling every aspect of the Civil War, World War II and the Vietnam War. The war that founded our country gets surprisingly little attention in pop culture — at least, until recently, when Red Coats started showing up in titles like Assassins Creed III and Fox’s Sleepy Hollow (now we all know what Hessian troopers are).
With Turn, Silverstein aims to not only dramatize a lesser-understood war but also commit an act of storytelling revolution by flipping a core assumption about the fight for independence on its head.
“What we’re told in school is that it was a very David vs. Goliath tale, that we fought the British for our freedom,” Silverstein says. “In reality it was a war fought between neighbors, it was fought house to house … there were many people living here who believed they were British subjects and this uprising was a criminal movement that needed to be put down and if the American cause were actually achieved it would lead to chaos. There had been nothing before that to suggest it would work. There were people divided within homes. It wasn’t like we were repelling an alien invasion force, it was more like a divorce.”
In the show, Jamie Bell plays a cabbage farmer who becomes a spy for Gen. George Washington (clearly a career upgrade). The story is based on the book Washington’s Spies: The Story of America’s First Spy Ring. Aliases, dead drops, black budgets and other spy tropes were discovered during this period by trial and error, Silverstein points out.
“I was surprised to find it was the story about the foundation of modern trade craft and spying,” Silverstein says of the book. “The idea of spying wasn’t really formed until that point. Spies were scouts who crawled over a hill and literally spied down. The idea of somebody staying behind enemy lines and pretending to be somebody they weren’t was a revolutionary idea in and of itself … it was a dishonorable thing and not cool. They were proud of what they achieved but not proud of the way they archived it so the story was buried until like the 1930s until they found these letters.”
During the show’s press tour panel in Pasadena on Saturday, Silverstein added that — unlike many high-concept dramas that launch with big ideas and nowhere to go — there’s plenty of real-life history to mine for several potential seasons. “There’s 10 episodes including our pilot [in the first season] and there are eight years of the war,” he said. “What you’re seeing in the first season is the formation of the Culper Ring. After that there’s all their adventures and missions and incredible tension with Benedict Arnold, who is still today the highest ranked mole in history.”
AMC’s Turn showrunner Craig Silverstein (Nikita) points this out during our interview and my first thought is that he must be wrong. Then he challenged me to name more than a half dozen or so titles. There just aren’t many when compared to the libraries of films and shows chronicling every aspect of the Civil War, World War II and the Vietnam War. The war that founded our country gets surprisingly little attention in pop culture — at least, until recently, when Red Coats started showing up in titles like Assassins Creed III and Fox’s Sleepy Hollow (now we all know what Hessian troopers are).
With Turn, Silverstein aims to not only dramatize a lesser-understood war but also commit an act of storytelling revolution by flipping a core assumption about the fight for independence on its head.
“What we’re told in school is that it was a very David vs. Goliath tale, that we fought the British for our freedom,” Silverstein says. “In reality it was a war fought between neighbors, it was fought house to house … there were many people living here who believed they were British subjects and this uprising was a criminal movement that needed to be put down and if the American cause were actually achieved it would lead to chaos. There had been nothing before that to suggest it would work. There were people divided within homes. It wasn’t like we were repelling an alien invasion force, it was more like a divorce.”
In the show, Jamie Bell plays a cabbage farmer who becomes a spy for Gen. George Washington (clearly a career upgrade). The story is based on the book Washington’s Spies: The Story of America’s First Spy Ring. Aliases, dead drops, black budgets and other spy tropes were discovered during this period by trial and error, Silverstein points out.
“I was surprised to find it was the story about the foundation of modern trade craft and spying,” Silverstein says of the book. “The idea of spying wasn’t really formed until that point. Spies were scouts who crawled over a hill and literally spied down. The idea of somebody staying behind enemy lines and pretending to be somebody they weren’t was a revolutionary idea in and of itself … it was a dishonorable thing and not cool. They were proud of what they achieved but not proud of the way they archived it so the story was buried until like the 1930s until they found these letters.”
During the show’s press tour panel in Pasadena on Saturday, Silverstein added that — unlike many high-concept dramas that launch with big ideas and nowhere to go — there’s plenty of real-life history to mine for several potential seasons. “There’s 10 episodes including our pilot [in the first season] and there are eight years of the war,” he said. “What you’re seeing in the first season is the formation of the Culper Ring. After that there’s all their adventures and missions and incredible tension with Benedict Arnold, who is still today the highest ranked mole in history.”
http://www.amctv.com/turn/videos/turn-revolutionary
Trailer is pretty fricking solid.
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Re: Turn (AMC) - April 6th, 2014
This is odd: There haven’t been that many movies and TV shows about the American Revolution.
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Re: Turn (AMC) - April 6th, 2014
Probably because the cost of costumes and location shoots are expensive. As much as I love AMC, I will probably pass on this. I am not a huge fan of shows or movies based on this time period.
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Re: Turn (AMC) - April 6th, 2014
I hear the first season is going to be pretty damn good. The second season will consist of nothing but them sitting around a farm and talking though.
Looking forward to this!
Looking forward to this!
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Re: Turn (AMC) - April 6th, 2014
Seriously though, this is the first I have heard of this show. I am interested just because of the time period. Like said previously, there are very few movies/TV shows set around this period. The recent video game Assassin's Creed 3 was set during the American Revolution too, but unfortunately that game was pretty dull.
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Re: Turn (AMC) - April 6th, 2014
The promo shot AMC Keeps showing with the red N makes me think it's about the Revolutionary War and Vampires.
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Re: Turn (AMC) - April 6th, 2014
It's not hard to figure out the lack of movies and entertainment made about the Revolutionary War. It's an all-white population of characters featured in a male-dominated society and has almost no international appeal to the European market. Which is complete anathema to the economics and culture of Hollywood.
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Re: Turn (AMC) - April 6th, 2014
It's not hard to figure out the lack of movies and entertainment made about the Revolutionary War. It's an all-white population of characters featured in a male-dominated society and has almost no international appeal to the European market. Which is complete anathema to the economics and culture of Hollywood.
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Turn -- New AMC drama (90 minutes) -- "Pilot" -- 4/06/14
Based on Alexander Rose’s book Washington’s Spies, AMC’s TURN tells the untold story of America’s first spy ring. A historical thriller set during the Revolutionary War, TURN centers on Abe Woodhull (Jamie Bell), a farmer living in British-occupied Long Island who bands together with his childhood friends to form the Culper Ring -- an unlikely team of secret agents who not only went on to help George Washington turn the tide of the war but also gave birth to modern spycraft.
Written by: Craig Silverstein
Directed by: Rupert Wyatt, Nick Copus
10 episode 1st season
This is from Craig Silverstein, the creator of Nikita. He is the writer, producer and showrunner of this series.
Trailer:
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This is airing during the same timeslot as Game of Thrones. I'm pretty sure that nobody here will watch this right away on Sunday. Plus it's 90 minutes too.
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re: TURN: Washington's Spies (AMC) -- Series Thread
To me the previews for this don't make it look that interesting. This period in history isn't my favorite though either so that may be a lot of why I'm not interested. I think AMC shows have been really hit and miss though. It seems like they got lucky twice with Mad Men and then Breaking Bad but have churned out a lot of crap since then. I know a lot of people love The Walking Dead but I haven't really been that into it since the first season.
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re: TURN: Washington's Spies (AMC) -- Series Thread
I'll give this a shot. I assume that it's followed by "Talking Turn" hosted by Chris Hardwick.
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I don't care for GoT so even with a free preview of HBO, I opted for this instead. Really enjoyed the pilot and like the cast. I'm in for the season.
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re: TURN: Washington's Spies (AMC) -- Series Thread
Thought it started off a little slow, but it picked up a lot as it went along and really held my interest. Enjoyed it and left me wanting more, so I'm in for the season as well.
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re: TURN: Washington's Spies (AMC) -- Series Thread
It was ok I guess. I can see myself getting bored with these characters pretty quickly though.
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re: TURN: Washington's Spies (AMC) -- Series Thread
A little slow to start out, but overall a very well made show.
Loved the costumes and set designs. They did a good job re-creating 1776 in the U.S.
Kind of ironic that Jamie Bell, a Brit, is playing an American in a show about the Revolutionary War. Some of you might recall, he also played the little boy on Billy Elliott.
The last sequence was pretty cool when all the Red Coats got plowed down. Interesting to see how this goes after Abe became an unwilling spy to basically stay alive. Craig Silverstein tweeted yesterday that all these characters are based on real people.
I don't think this show will have mass appeal. It's very niche genre for history buffs and those who like period dramas.
Loved the costumes and set designs. They did a good job re-creating 1776 in the U.S.
Kind of ironic that Jamie Bell, a Brit, is playing an American in a show about the Revolutionary War. Some of you might recall, he also played the little boy on Billy Elliott.
The last sequence was pretty cool when all the Red Coats got plowed down. Interesting to see how this goes after Abe became an unwilling spy to basically stay alive. Craig Silverstein tweeted yesterday that all these characters are based on real people.
I don't think this show will have mass appeal. It's very niche genre for history buffs and those who like period dramas.
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re: TURN: Washington's Spies (AMC) -- Series Thread
http://www.deadline.com/2014/04/amcs...wers-watching/
Roughly 2.1M viewers watched the 1st airing. 3M with the re-air included. Not bad considering the really hefty competition Sunday night. I'm guessing those numbers might increase a little since most probably DVR'd this show and watched Game of Thrones or the Country Music awards live.
This genre is a really tough sell, so it's a promising start.
Roughly 2.1M viewers watched the 1st airing. 3M with the re-air included. Not bad considering the really hefty competition Sunday night. I'm guessing those numbers might increase a little since most probably DVR'd this show and watched Game of Thrones or the Country Music awards live.
This genre is a really tough sell, so it's a promising start.
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He was also Tin Tin.