blairwitchfan

"borrowed" from another board:

"Its an illusion of the story structure that the events happened in the order they were shown. Here's the order that works:
They took Dillon put him in deep cold till he was needed. Then a few weeks later when the wife and kids go looking for him the sheriff takes them. They get put in the freezer. At some later point, the sheriff is put in the freezer. Two millenia pass, and the sheriff is thawed and put in charge of the town. So is Carla Gugino (though why a trained FBI agent is thawed just to run a toy shop is odd) and everyone else as needed. Years pass. Then Dillon is thawed out, followed by his family. In that order it fits just fine."

Noonan

I just caught up with this one over the weekend. Despite the major plot holes (which may or may not ever get filled) I'm enjoying it. I have no knowledge of the books so I don't know what's coming or what to expect next.

Most of my questions have already been raised...how were the sheriff and guy with glasses in both timelines, who cared for the bodies for 2k years, why did they wait so long, why the hell are they actively killing some of the very few humans left on earth (especially women who could have children to further the species) rather than just telling the truth, why do they think keeping adults in the dark is a good idea...

Strafe

I'm not sure I understand why everyone is so confused about the timeline. It seems pretty straightforward to me, although they play it out of order on TV. Blairwitchfan summarized it pretty clearly a post or two ago.

JuryDuty

Just caught up on this and totally agree. I hope this becomes a standard for American series. I'd MUCH rather have a relatively strong 10 episodes than 22-23 where half of them didn't matter to the overall storyline at all.

There are holes and assumptions made in this series, but it's fun to just go with it like we had to do with 24. Just enjoy it for what it is and it's a great ride.

Despite several faltering movies, I've always enjoyed M. Night Shyamalan's direction and pacing. Glad to see it on the small screen.

dex14

So this could possibly get a 2nd season:
http://deadline.com/2015/06/wayward-...al-1201452683/

RichC2

Despite his name being plastered all over it, M Night only directed the first episode. They let Zal Batmanglij do a few episodes too which is cool, I never saw The East but I enjoyed Sound of My Voice (he was using it as training since he has a Netflix show coming out next year with Brit Marling)

dex14

The East was great. I'm really looking forward to the Netflix show.

SterlingBen

This.

I have been following along at http://www.reddit.com/r/waywardpines because the discussion here is kind of dead but man the amount of people who can't follow the timeline is frustrating.

PhantomStranger

The East is a very interesting film because it doesn't really follow the standard thriller formula. One of the more memorable films I've seen this decade.

http://www.doblu.com/2013/10/02/the-...lu-ray-review/

Getting back to Wayward Pines, I really hope there are more reveals coming about Pilcher's plans. I don't think his revelation holds up if you think about the massive engineering feat it would require to achieve.

invisiblegt

Well, we know there's some sort of time travely, future tech thing happening. In this last episode, we see one of the operators clearly speaking to someone from the "past," who is calling in regards to her husband, if I recall.

So, you know... There's that.

Tom Banjo

There is no time travel.
She was speaking to a likely new member of Wayward Pines, pretending to be an operator.

I don't recall a group A/group B plot in the books, but I like it. It goes a long way towards giving a plausible reason why these people would be kept in the dark.

rocket1312

Agreed. I had a big problem with the idea that the town needed to be kept in the dark, but this at least attempts to address the issue. I'm not sure I'm fully on-board with the explanation, but it's no longer something that will prevent me from enjoying the show. I'm still not 100% sure why they need to even bother with the adults if they're never going to go along with the new reality.

I was a little concerned that once the "mystery" was revealed all of the the intrigue would be gone from the show, but I've found myself enjoying the last couple of episodes much more than the previous ones. The faux-Twin Peaks quirkiness of the early episodes never worked for me and I'm glad to leave them behind.

Jadzia

I still don't understand why, if they only have a limited supply of humans remaining, would they intentionally execute people for just for asking questions. I could see putting them back in stasis if they cause too much trouble, but it seems like a waste to go to all that trouble to save the human race only to kill people for dumb reasons.

Troy Stiffler

I think they're logic is that they need to "ease" the kids into it. Waking up the kids-only and then schooling them about what's happening might result in the same loss of life that Group A had.

The Group A/B exposition also tells us that they don't have a definite plan. They're just going with whatever happens.

I don't know how it ends. I kind of hope they execute all the adults who aren't 'in the know'.

Thrush

It doesn't make sense at all. They have a finite supply of Humans in freezers and no way to get new ones. The expense of freezing a person for 2 millenia should be astronomical. Killing should be an absolute last resort. They seem to use it as the first option.

PhantomStranger

It doesn't make sense, which is why I am hoping there is more to be revealed about the nutty leader's plans.

Jadzia

When they killed off Juliette Lewis' character (before we knew what was going on with the town), I wondered if perhaps she (and the other reckoned people) were not actually dead. Of course, then they had Matt Dillon find her body.

Still, I was thinking that the writers should have made the whole public execution thing a hoax to scare people in line, but really they are just bringing people over to the other side to help out with the town maintenance. That would have made a lot more sense than what they are doing.

Plus, if people are so curious they want to know what is happening, those are probably the people that would be more valuable to help run things than to live in ignorance in the town.

Neil M.

This show might have one of the most contrived plots of all time.

It's really hard for me to swallow the results of group A but I'm willing to accept it. There is a problem I have with the logic behind Pilcher's plan. He has a couple hundred volunteers and he has a bunch of frozen people who were kidnapped. After the results of group A, you would think that Pilcher would alter his plan and realize that most kidnapped people aren't going to accept their fate. At that point, you'd think that he would focus on his volunteers to breed the next generation instead of trying something that's even worse than what he did before.

The whole kidnapping thing makes absolutely no sense to me, seeing that every kidnapped person that we've seen on this show has no valuable skills.

Also, did Pilcher say that the entire town and fence was built in 2 years? That seems pretty amazing to me.

Troy Stiffler

I'm on board with the logic.

There was Group A. Pilcher thought that they'd be understanding and was direct and honest about everything that happened. They weren't and killed each other and themselves.

Now he's taking another stab and changed the plan for Group B. The point is that he doesn't yet have a solution. He's doing what he can, hoping that the results are different.

I think there's something to say here about modern plotting. I'm just going to say "superhero movies" or "sci-fi" - but it happens elsewhere. There's been a trend where the characters always know the next move, and don't have to figure things out so much anymore. I'll point out Iron Man. It doesn't matter what the bad guy has, we find out that Tony Stark has been designing 'this' to beat the bad guy.

In the Marvel Cinematic Universe-Wayward Pines crossover, we'd find out that Stark has been developing a 'dream machine' this whole time, where he can communicate with people inside their heads and ease them into the new world. And if they don't want to, he'll have a super cool gadget that blanks their memories so he can try again.

It's like you guys are disappointed that a scientist has to figure out a process to make this work. I find it refreshing. The show still feels a little silly. But really, working with the logic, it's a much realer and less convenient approach to sci-fi devices than we're accustomed to right now.

PhantomStranger

I still like the show and the group A/B dichotomy was a valid way to explain some things. The 2000 year timespan does throw me for a loop. It sounds like a number that was pulled out of thin air and wasn't particularly well thought out by the author.

Baron Of Hell

How the F did the kids get outside the truck?

dave94

Apparently they were blown out the side of the box frame and yet they survived.

When it was going down I was ready to give the show all kinds of credit for going there (blowing up the kids) but of course they wussed out.

joliom

This is my biggest hangup as well.

Not to mention all the machines, cars, and electronic devices that apparently survived two millennia without decaying. The only explanation I can come up with is that they must have a suspended animation process for all the inanimate stuff too. But that would require one hell of a big storage facility to house. And it still leads back to the original question: who were the caretakers for all of this during the intervening 2,000 years?

writer106

I enjoyed the first two books, but when I really though about 2,000 years later part I realized it wasn't well thought out.

I agree, on the cars, machines, and other things not decaying. From the books, I vaguely remember the inanimate stuff was in storage, but still would have decayed. From the books, I don't recall any caretakers. I think Pilcher, Pope, and Pam were somehow awakened first and then slowly began selecting how to bring out.

Prior to reading the books, I had heard good things about Blake Crouch's work. I gave the trilogy a chance. I might read some of this other books at some point. He admits that he was inspired by Twin Peaks. He was also probably inspired by The Village, but won't admit it.

barelypure

So this group, Group B, doesn't know about Group A. Doesn't know they're 2000 years from their last memory. Doesn't know about the Abbies. However everyone has a mailbox. Why would they have a mailbox. Who are they writing too? Are their letters answered? Do they receive bills? When they file their tax return is Pilcher's volunteers opening them and sending them their refund checks? We haven't seen a bank is there one? Are they printing their own money? At some point the absence of mail should have tipped them off.