Game of Thrones -- "The Old Gods and the New" -- 5/06/12
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Theon is such a wonderful douche. The actor playing him does a great job of conveying the internal conflict in those tough situations. You can tell he doesn't really want to be doing all of this, but he's already started down a road with his people that he can't go back on now. He's such a bitch.
Tyrion always finds a way to own every episode, but no Bronn?
Tyrion always finds a way to own every episode, but no Bronn?
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I agree, the actor playing Theon is doing a spot-on job. He's conveying all the proper emotions.
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Theon is such a wonderful douche. The actor playing him does a great job of conveying the internal conflict in those tough situations. You can tell he doesn't really want to be doing all of this, but he's already started down a road with his people that he can't go back on now. He's such a bitch.
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It cracks me up to see a direwolf named "Shaggy Dog".
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At least he got more screen time in S1 than Nikolaj Coster-Waldau has thus far in S2! Only 4 eps left and Jamie's been on screen for all of 3 minutes.
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This is probably entirely correct, especially with the inclusion of House Serrett at Silverhill. I'm glad my guess "wolves" is actually "west" because it seemed contradictory to have Robb marching both west and south
Did you decipher this yourself or was there another source/effort out there on the internet?
Did you decipher this yourself or was there another source/effort out there on the internet?
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Me too. I loved that last season...they're two of my favorites.
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I don't think it was tough for him. He was in his trailer smoking weed. Wearing a fitted cap.
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Lord Varys: I trust you know you're a dead man, Lord Eddard.
Eddard Stark: The queen can't kill me. Cat holds her brother.
Lord Varys: The wrong brother, sadly, and lost to her. Your wife has let the Imp slip through her fingers.
Eddard Stark: If that's true... then slit my throat and be done with it.
Lord Varys: Not today, my lord.
[he turns to leave]
Eddard Stark: Tell me something, Varys. Who do you truly serve?
Lord Varys: The realm, my lord. Someone must.
Varys understood the game much better than Ned did...
Eddard Stark: The queen can't kill me. Cat holds her brother.
Lord Varys: The wrong brother, sadly, and lost to her. Your wife has let the Imp slip through her fingers.
Eddard Stark: If that's true... then slit my throat and be done with it.
Lord Varys: Not today, my lord.
[he turns to leave]
Eddard Stark: Tell me something, Varys. Who do you truly serve?
Lord Varys: The realm, my lord. Someone must.
Varys understood the game much better than Ned did...
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Lord Varys: I trust you know you're a dead man, Lord Eddard.
Eddard Stark: The queen can't kill me. Cat holds her brother.
Lord Varys: The wrong brother, sadly, and lost to her. Your wife has let the Imp slip through her fingers.
Eddard Stark: If that's true... then slit my throat and be done with it.
Lord Varys: Not today, my lord.
[he turns to leave]
Eddard Stark: Tell me something, Varys. Who do you truly serve?
Lord Varys: The realm, my lord. Someone must.
Varys understood the game much better than Ned did...
Eddard Stark: The queen can't kill me. Cat holds her brother.
Lord Varys: The wrong brother, sadly, and lost to her. Your wife has let the Imp slip through her fingers.
Eddard Stark: If that's true... then slit my throat and be done with it.
Lord Varys: Not today, my lord.
[he turns to leave]
Eddard Stark: Tell me something, Varys. Who do you truly serve?
Lord Varys: The realm, my lord. Someone must.
Varys understood the game much better than Ned did...
RHETORICAL SPECULATION, NOT LOOKING FOR BOOK CONFIRMATION: We still do not know what kind of "agreement" Varys has with the guy from Penthos (Ilyrio, or something like that, his name escapes me...the one who brokered the marage between Khal Drogo and Danerys Targaryen). Watching that scene again, it certainly appeared to me that Varys' "end-game" is seeing Westeros invaded and a Targaryen sitting on the Iron Throne. They haven't followed up in any way, but I think it's something important to remember about Varys.
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I remember last year when everyone was complaining that they killed the "hero" of the show when they killed Ned Stark. Yes he was principled and moral, but the man was also a naive fool who bears direct and primary responsibility for the mortal danger he placed his entire family in. For God's sake, Ned you have two kids in the city itself. If you're going to threaten the Queen, at least get them thousands of miles away. What exactly was his plan beyond being principled? To ask Robert to ignore Tywin who was bankrolling the entire kingdom and who's child he had married? To tear the kingdom apart because of incest? Tyrion would have bided his time and played the game, not stomp around threatening people. Because of his actions, Ned's also at least partially responsible for inciting a civil war and, through inaction, allowing a monster to seize the throne. Granted, he was placed in an impossible situation by King Robert when he was asked to be Hand, but he managed to make the absolute worst of a bad situation through being a stiff-necked boy scout.
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As did Littlefinger, Tyrion, and Renly.
RHETORICAL SPECULATION, NOT LOOKING FOR BOOK CONFIRMATION: We still do not know what kind of "agreement" Varys has with the guy from Penthos (Ilyrio, or something like that, his name escapes me...the one who brokered the marage between Khal Drogo and Danerys Targaryen). Watching that scene again, it certainly appeared to me that Varys' "end-game" is seeing Westeros invaded and a Targaryen sitting on the Iron Throne. They haven't followed up in any way, but I think it's something important to remember about Varys.
RHETORICAL SPECULATION, NOT LOOKING FOR BOOK CONFIRMATION: We still do not know what kind of "agreement" Varys has with the guy from Penthos (Ilyrio, or something like that, his name escapes me...the one who brokered the marage between Khal Drogo and Danerys Targaryen). Watching that scene again, it certainly appeared to me that Varys' "end-game" is seeing Westeros invaded and a Targaryen sitting on the Iron Throne. They haven't followed up in any way, but I think it's something important to remember about Varys.
I don't know what Varys' motives are other than some vague partnership with Ilyrio. I find it all fascinating and it reminds me that I really miss seeing him on screen. I don't think we've seen him since Episode 3 this season?
I remember last year when everyone was complaining that they killed the "hero" of the show when they killed Ned Stark. Yes he was principled and moral, but the man was also a naive fool who bears direct and primary responsibility for the mortal danger he placed his entire family in. For God's sake, Ned you have two kids in the city itself. If you're going to threaten the Queen, at least get them thousands of miles away. What exactly was his plan beyond being principled? To ask Robert to ignore Tywin who was bankrolling the entire kingdom and who's child he had married? To tear the kingdom apart because of incest? Tyrion would have bided his time and played the game, not stomp around threatening people. Because of his actions, Ned's also at least partially responsible for inciting a civil war and, through inaction, allowing a monster to seize the throne. Granted, he was placed in an impossible situation by King Robert when he was asked to be Hand, but he managed to make the absolute worst of a bad situation through being a stiff-necked boy scout.
1) Tell Robert about Cersei's adultery and her incest-kids
2) Cersei and kids would have run away, maybe taking Jaime with them. If they were caught, then execution for all of them.
3) Tywin would have been shamed by his childrens' actions and be unable to do anything against Robert. House Lannister's influence drops significantly and perhaps Tywin would forget the debts owed to him by the Crown.
4) Robert continues to rule with Ned as Hand.
Cersei's plan re: Ned would have worked brilliantly too if her son hadn't screwed things up so spectacularly:
1) Have Ned admit his "treason" against Robert.
2) Send him to the Wall for life.
3) Robb would be forced to acknowledge his father's admission of guilt and bend the knee to the Crown, with all the other houses of the North to follow.
4) Renly and Stannis would be unable to do anything with Ned admitting to treason and any claims of Joffrey's illegitimacy being proved false as a result.
5) House Baratheon continues its rule with House Lannister being the true power behind the throne, with Cersei as Queen Regent and Tywin as Hand.
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As did Littlefinger, Tyrion, and Renly.
RHETORICAL SPECULATION, NOT LOOKING FOR BOOK CONFIRMATION: We still do not know what kind of "agreement" Varys has with the guy from Penthos (Ilyrio, or something like that, his name escapes me...the one who brokered the marage between Khal Drogo and Danerys Targaryen). Watching that scene again, it certainly appeared to me that Varys' "end-game" is seeing Westeros invaded and a Targaryen sitting on the Iron Throne. They haven't followed up in any way, but I think it's something important to remember about Varys.
RHETORICAL SPECULATION, NOT LOOKING FOR BOOK CONFIRMATION: We still do not know what kind of "agreement" Varys has with the guy from Penthos (Ilyrio, or something like that, his name escapes me...the one who brokered the marage between Khal Drogo and Danerys Targaryen). Watching that scene again, it certainly appeared to me that Varys' "end-game" is seeing Westeros invaded and a Targaryen sitting on the Iron Throne. They haven't followed up in any way, but I think it's something important to remember about Varys.
Unless you are an Imp, I won't trust you. And the only reason I trust him is because I buy his explanation that he is so short because he is being crushed by the weight of truth.
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I remember last year when everyone was complaining that they killed the "hero" of the show when they killed Ned Stark. Yes he was principled and moral, but the man was also a naive fool who bears direct and primary responsibility for the mortal danger he placed his entire family in. For God's sake, Ned you have two kids in the city itself. If you're going to threaten the Queen, at least get them thousands of miles away. What exactly was his plan beyond being principled? To ask Robert to ignore Tywin who was bankrolling the entire kingdom and who's child he had married? To tear the kingdom apart because of incest? Tyrion would have bided his time and played the game, not stomp around threatening people. Because of his actions, Ned's also at least partially responsible for inciting a civil war and, through inaction, allowing a monster to seize the throne. Granted, he was placed in an impossible situation by King Robert when he was asked to be Hand, but he managed to make the absolute worst of a bad situation through being a stiff-necked boy scout.
Robert is certainly more to blame for the events happening now than Ned is.
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I remember last year when everyone was complaining that they killed the "hero" of the show when they killed Ned Stark. Yes he was principled and moral, but the man was also a naive fool who bears direct and primary responsibility for the mortal danger he placed his entire family in. For God's sake, Ned you have two kids in the city itself. If you're going to threaten the Queen, at least get them thousands of miles away. What exactly was his plan beyond being principled? To ask Robert to ignore Tywin who was bankrolling the entire kingdom and who's child he had married? To tear the kingdom apart because of incest? Tyrion would have bided his time and played the game, not stomp around threatening people. Because of his actions, Ned's also at least partially responsible for inciting a civil war and, through inaction, allowing a monster to seize the throne. Granted, he was placed in an impossible situation by King Robert when he was asked to be Hand, but he managed to make the absolute worst of a bad situation through being a stiff-necked boy scout.
Cersei's plan re: Ned would have worked brilliantly too if her son hadn't screwed things up so spectacularly:
1) Have Ned admit his "treason" against Robert.
2) Send him to the Wall for life.
3) Robb would be forced to acknowledge his father's admission of guilt and bend the knee to the Crown, with all the other houses of the North to follow.
4) Renly and Stannis would be unable to do anything with Ned admitting to treason and any claims of Joffrey's illegitimacy being proved false as a result.
5) House Baratheon continues its rule with House Lannister being the true power behind the throne, with Cersei as Queen Regent and Tywin as Hand.
1) Have Ned admit his "treason" against Robert.
2) Send him to the Wall for life.
3) Robb would be forced to acknowledge his father's admission of guilt and bend the knee to the Crown, with all the other houses of the North to follow.
4) Renly and Stannis would be unable to do anything with Ned admitting to treason and any claims of Joffrey's illegitimacy being proved false as a result.
5) House Baratheon continues its rule with House Lannister being the true power behind the throne, with Cersei as Queen Regent and Tywin as Hand.
I think people in these threads are too hard on Ned. Yes he's principled and moral, and yes he's a little naive, but he was trying to do the right thing. Threatening the Queen was stupid, but everything probably would've been okay if Robert hadn't died during his hunting trip.
Robert is certainly more to blame for the events happening now than Ned is.