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Did Family Guy go too far?
#77
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What is so inherently "liberal" about Seth MacFarlane and/or Family Guy, other than they take cheap shots at Republican/conservative targets? I've also seen them take shots at blacks, Jews, Catholics, hippies, environmentalists, feminists, Born-Agains, Muslims, homosexuals, nerds, etc. If anything, they've taken more potshots at celebrities and Hollywood than anyone else.
Or are conservatives so persecuted that their suffering earns them an elevated status of chronic woe-is-meism?
People on all sides are such pussies.
Or are conservatives so persecuted that their suffering earns them an elevated status of chronic woe-is-meism?
People on all sides are such pussies.
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Re: Did Family Guy go too far?
Of course it was targeted at Palin's family. Duh. That being said, so what, that's what they do. It's a cartoon from an liberal creator, taking cheap shots at a prominent conservative...where's the surprise? Now you could argue about the hypocrisy inherent in that had it instead been some conservative network TV show mining humor from a birth defect in an Obama child there would be widespread outrage at the hate-mongering racist producers of the show requiring a national dialog and immediate show cancellation.
ETA: Sarah Palin is hot.
ETA: Sarah Palin is hot.
#79
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What is so inherently "liberal" about Seth MacFarlane and/or Family Guy, other than they take cheap shots at Republican/conservative targets? I've also seen them take shots at blacks, Jews, Catholics, hippies, environmentalists, feminists, Born-Agains, Muslims, homosexuals, nerds, etc. If anything, they've taken more potshots at celebrities and Hollywood than anyone else.
Increasingly true.
#80
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Re: Did Family Guy go too far?
Including this one?
Originally Posted by Bill Needle
Of course it was targeted at Palin's family. Duh. That being said, so what, that's what they do. It's a cartoon from an liberal creator, taking cheap shots at a prominent conservative...where's the surprise?
Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Look, as a fan of the show I get Seth's humor, I get Seth's political beliefs, and I get that he likes taking shots as those who don't share his take on things. I get it. This joke was totally in character.
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However thin you slice it, it's still just another case of an "outraged" politician making much ado about nothing. I'm just surprised Palin has taken a page out of the liberal playbook on this one. But then again, she's ****y.
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I'm still not sure how this could be considered a "shot" at Palin, cheap or otherwise. It was a pop culture reference, nothing more nothing less.
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You see Bill Needle? Just play along. It's easier this way...
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#87
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Exactly, it was just a reference. It wasn't even really a joke. It was just a reference to the fact that Palin's kid has down's syndrome. I don't think it can be said that the show "went after" her kid.
#88
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Something like that, yeah, maybe I could see Palin losing her mud over... maybe... and that's still not worth getting huffy over.
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Newsweek jumps into the fray:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/233992?fr...Top+Stories%29
Two people on opposite paths, only having in common the damp-browed effort with which they approach provoking and being provoked; watching them bicker is like a nature documentary about the beautiful symbiosis that happens in nature, except that it's hard to tell whether Palin is the clownfish and MacFarlane the sea anemone, or vice versa. But while both Palin and MacFarlane seem to benefit from the controversy they're generating, there is a loser in this fight, and it's MacFarlane. Why? Because the joke wasn't funny.
The problem with the conversation surrounding the Family Guy episode is that it presupposes that people fall into one of two categories: those who think the joke was funny because they weren't offended by it, and those who think the joke wasn't funny because they were. I didn't find the joke funny, not because it was insensitive to people with Down syndrome or to Sarah Palin, but because it just wasn't funny. Like, as a joke. Plenty of criticisms have been lobbed at Family Guy, from the quality of the animation, to its reliance on interchangeable, inorganic cutaway gags (see South Park’s two-part take down, “Cartoon Wars”) but the Palin joke is a perfect example of the show's major shortcoming. The MacFarlane sensibility puts a premium on being offensive, and that's fine when the jokes are soundly constructed, but too often Family Guy jokes aren't clever or well written, they're just shocking. To some people (me included, at times) the shock value is enough to inspire some uncomfortable tittering, but jokes like that don't stand up to scrutiny. If you take two seconds to think about them, you realize it wasn't that funny to begin with, and it certainly doesn't work on a subsequent viewing, when you're expecting it.
It's overgenerous to call what Family Guy does satire because it's not terribly smart. It only passes for satire for people who don't have enough interest in the news to watch Jon Stewart or Steven Colbert. The Palin joke is the laziest kind of topical humor, the kind that trades on obvious, surface information: "So, Clinton had to have heart surgery again. Maybe he should lay off all those greasy hamburgers he enjoys so much!" Simply restating a fact in a different context, like the fact that Palin has a child with Down syndrome, isn't funny, even if you dislike Palin or disagree with her politics. There's a lot to like about Family Guy; the arcane pop-culture references kill me, as does anything that features a talking baby. But if MacFarlane is going to climb into Palin's sandbox, he's going to have to equip himself with much sharper material.
The problem with the conversation surrounding the Family Guy episode is that it presupposes that people fall into one of two categories: those who think the joke was funny because they weren't offended by it, and those who think the joke wasn't funny because they were. I didn't find the joke funny, not because it was insensitive to people with Down syndrome or to Sarah Palin, but because it just wasn't funny. Like, as a joke. Plenty of criticisms have been lobbed at Family Guy, from the quality of the animation, to its reliance on interchangeable, inorganic cutaway gags (see South Park’s two-part take down, “Cartoon Wars”) but the Palin joke is a perfect example of the show's major shortcoming. The MacFarlane sensibility puts a premium on being offensive, and that's fine when the jokes are soundly constructed, but too often Family Guy jokes aren't clever or well written, they're just shocking. To some people (me included, at times) the shock value is enough to inspire some uncomfortable tittering, but jokes like that don't stand up to scrutiny. If you take two seconds to think about them, you realize it wasn't that funny to begin with, and it certainly doesn't work on a subsequent viewing, when you're expecting it.
It's overgenerous to call what Family Guy does satire because it's not terribly smart. It only passes for satire for people who don't have enough interest in the news to watch Jon Stewart or Steven Colbert. The Palin joke is the laziest kind of topical humor, the kind that trades on obvious, surface information: "So, Clinton had to have heart surgery again. Maybe he should lay off all those greasy hamburgers he enjoys so much!" Simply restating a fact in a different context, like the fact that Palin has a child with Down syndrome, isn't funny, even if you dislike Palin or disagree with her politics. There's a lot to like about Family Guy; the arcane pop-culture references kill me, as does anything that features a talking baby. But if MacFarlane is going to climb into Palin's sandbox, he's going to have to equip himself with much sharper material.
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Seems like pretty fair-minded, dare I say it, "professional," criticism to me. I especially liked the remark about the Family Guy audience not having enough interest in the news to watch Jon Stewart or "Steven" Colbert, since his name is actually spelled, "Stephen." An exposure of the writer's own lack of genuine interest, or a clever testing of his readership?
#92
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Okay, let's try a different tack. Set aside for the moment (if you can) anything to do with Sarah Palin or her family. Is the "joke" itself inherently offensive to anyone? Perhaps to those particularly sensitive to Down's Syndrome, but likely not to any of Family Guy's general viewership (who are long since de-sensitized to such things).
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What the Newsweek article doesn't really state is that 90% of Family Guy is random pop culture references with no "funny" behind it. You laugh in recognition rather than hilarity (if you laugh at all). And that's the realm that this "joke" falls in.
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Any time you make fun of Palin you make fun of Palin kids. You insult one you insult the other. So If I said Palin looks like a woman. I would also be saying Trig looks like a woman insulting both at the same time. Now do you get it. And yes Trig is being a baby about this.
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Bristol Palin, arguably the most famous teen mother in America, will play herself on ABC Family's "The Secret Life of the American Teenager," the cable network announced today.
The daughter of former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, Britol will play herself as a friend to the show's protagonist, Amy Juergens. "Secret Life" focuses on how the Juergens family and Amy's friends deal with the teenager's own unexpected pregnancy.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/bristol-pa...ory?id=9917876
All bets are off now because even Sarah Palin thinks it's okay to attack those Hollywood Elites.
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If you name a child "Trig", you have to expect this sort of thing.
I wish that Palin and her entire family would go crawl under a big rock so that we never have to hear about them ever again.
I wish that Palin and her entire family would go crawl under a big rock so that we never have to hear about them ever again.
#100
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I have no problem with any and all shots at her secessionist mouth-breathing dipshit husband and hypocritical teenage whore daughter. The rest of the family I have no problem ignoring, so long as Sarah doesn't keep parading the retard for sympathy votes.