Real World/Road Rules "The Ruins" Season Discussion

[dolphinboy]

Originally Posted by fumanstan

I'm surprised everyone blamed Veronica for the mess with Tonya. Yeah, she could have been the "mature" one and just be quiet and not taunt her, but hell the guys have been screwing with Tonya the entire time.

Kind of a cool challenge, but seems like it should have gone more rounds and ended pretty quick.

You're mostly right, but not all the guys. Kenny, Danny, and Evan instigate a lot just to be cruel, watched the Veronica v. Tonya battle get to the point where they knew something was going to probably happen, and then only tell Veronica how she could have been the bigger person.

Wes pointed this out and, of course, had no luck getting through to the asses.

Very little to like about any of the people most of the time. Yes, there are some nice looking women, but that's about it.

Yet I can't wait to see what happens next week. I still don't understand why I watch it, much less enjoy the hell out of it.

I have a "unique" taste in women, so if I was 25 again and doing this show, I'd be all over the tattoo girl. And going back 15 years or more to my high school, college, just after college self, the only person on this challenge who I could see provoking me into something would be Kenny. I just hate everything about the guy.

[Finisher]

This show is just crack. Bunch of drunken idiots so there will always be drama. Never a shortage of eye candy. High level of competition amongst the guys. Scheming, backstabbing. No time wasted introducing new people. Pretty much the perfect reality show/competition.

Gotta echo some of the Veronica comments. Something about that chick just does it for me, always has.

[raven56706]

Veronica does a whole lot for me...


Veronica... she's so hot

[Joeboo835]

Originally Posted by dolphinboy

I have a "unique" taste in women, so if I was 25 again and doing this show, I'd be all over the tattoo girl. And going back 15 years or more to my high school, college, just after college self, the only person on this challenge who I could see provoking me into something would be Kenny. I just hate everything about the guy.

From the neck up, I think she's the best looking one on the show.

Was anyone else confused by Tonya's chest during the fight? Since thats pretty much all I looked at (well, hers and Veronicas), it was strange that during the challenge, her chest looked HUGE. But during the fight, in a tank top, it barely seemed like she had anything. Very confusing.

Btw, who the hell in their right mind would marry Katie? If your nuts and hot, its fine. If you're cool and semi-attractive, its fine. She's both nuts and ugly.

[Bill Needle]

Originally Posted by Joeboo835

Btw, who the hell in their right mind would marry Katie? If your nuts and hot, its fine. If you're cool and semi-attractive, its fine. She's both nuts and ugly.

Remember them yelling at her during the challenge while she was carrying the torch: "Pretend it's your last cigarette!" So on top of everything else unappealing about her imagine a coupe of packs a day going down that dirty ash tray of a mouth.

And it is surprising that Wes comes off as the most reasonable and nicest guy. Plus he's banging Kelly Anne. I think he genuinely hates Kenny as well. Ususally during the after shows they have had time to calm down a bit and sort of attribute a lot of the drama to booze and boredom, but during an after show Wes ripped Kenny maybe worse than during filming.

[Bluelitespecial]

I have a little more respect for Wes in that he seems to be the only person who is standing up to Kenny, Evan, and Johnny on this show. He is right for calling them hypocrites the way they treated Tonya, and then tried to sound likes the good guys after she had to leave. I hope she goes to rehab or gets some kind of help dealing with her issues.

[Ropes Pierre]

Watching Tonya slap the pockmarked puss of Veronica was like watching Bum Fights.

I felt very dirty afterwords, but am not above ordering a DVD of it at 4am.

[Finisher]

Originally Posted by Joeboo835

Btw, who the hell in their right mind would marry Katie?

Looks like nobody, her engagement is off. She actually used to be kinda cute .. but she's definitely not aging well.

[Patman]

Is she aging hard?

[JZ1276]

Originally Posted by Joeboo835

From the neck up, I think she's the best looking one on the show.

I also think Sarah's the best looking chick on the show (not just the neck up). Then again, I also thought Shauvon was hot.
I actually got excited when Sarah beat Katie in the inferno.

BTW, do they air the aftershow or is it just on the net?

[Giantrobo]

Originally Posted by Bluelitespecial

I have a little more respect for Wes in that he seems to be the only person who is standing up to Kenny, Evan, and Johnny on this show. He is right for calling them hypocrites the way they treated Tonya, and then tried to sound likes the good guys after she had to leave. I hope she goes to rehab or gets some kind of help dealing with her issues.

Oh puh-leez. Fuck Wes. He's no Angel. Evan said it, when he said that even though they mess with Tonya, she's still family. It's like a Big brother teasing a little sister. He did the right thing by taking control of her when she snapped. Both girls were in the wrong. Veronica should have backed off and not said whatever she said, and certainly Tonya shouldn't have picked the fight.

Hell, even Holier-than-thou Wes admitted in his commentary that Veronica should have backed down and been more mature,so that's not too far from what Evan was saying to Veronica.

Playing with unstable/Lush folks like Tonya is an age old tradition on these Challenges. She's very much aware of her behavior and the type of attention that it brings to her. How many times over the years have I seen and heard them saying in the commentaries that pushing certain unstable competitors like Tonya, Katie, and others is part of the fun of coming to these challenges? Answer...A lot.

Again, pushing her is part of these shows when she's on. Hell she's even talked about it many times in the interviews. If anyone Truly cared about Tonya's "Well being" and "Sobriety"...they'd keep off the show or ban her from drinking when she's on and we all know that ain't gonna happen.

Look, don't get me wrong. I like Tonya. I've been a fan since RR:Seattle and I hope she can get the help she needs to get off the booze. I've seen her do well in challenges and I think she will probably "bring it" again once she's worked through some stuff.

[Giantrobo]

Originally Posted by raven56706

Veronica does a whole lot for me...


Veronica... she's so hot

Yep. She's a little older and little meatier and she looks damn good.

[mwbmis]

I won't defend Kenny, Evan, and Johnny, but I have to agree that Wes is full of shit. The only reasonable adult males in that room were Derrick and Cohutta.

Also, blaming Kenny, Evan, and Johnny for riling up Tonya is like blaming them for global warming. Sure, they might be contributing factors, but that train left crazy station long before they were even blips on MTV's radar (the Veronica/Tonya flashback fight was before Fresh Meat and Key West).

Honestly, Veronica never did anything for me, but I've had a thing for Susie since RR Australia. That's probably partially why I defend some of her less than gracious moments. Plus, Veronica posed for Playboy with Beth. Beth????

Btw, no love for Casey's awesome performance? I do love Casey.

[mwbmis]

Originally Posted by Giantrobo

Look, don't get me wrong. I like Tonya. I've been a fan since RR:Seattle and I hope she can get the help she needs to get off the booze. I've seen her do well in challenges and I think she will probably "bring it" again once she's worked through some stuff.

She's 29 years old. I think it's time for her to grow up. Of course, MTV will probably keep having her back. She's just crazier every time now.

Also, she was on Chicago not Seattle.

[dolphinboy]

Originally Posted by mwbmis

I won't defend Kenny, Evan, and Johnny, but I have to agree that Wes is full of shit. The only reasonable adult males in that room were Derrick and Cohutta.

Also, blaming Kenny, Evan, and Johnny for riling up Tonya is like blaming them for global warming. Sure, they might be contributing factors, but that train left crazy station long before they were even blips on MTV's radar (the Veronica/Tonya flashback fight was before Fresh Meat and Key West).

Honestly, Veronica never did anything for me, but I've had a thing for Susie since RR Australia. That's probably partially why I defend some of her less than gracious moments. Plus, Veronica posed for Playboy with Beth. Beth????

Btw, no love for Casey's awesome performance? I do love Casey.

I don't think anyone blamed those guys for riling Tonya up before she started swinging.

The issue, from what I saw, was that everyone kind of sat there enjoying the fight and AFTER it happened, Evan and his group blamed Veronica for not walking away when no one seemed too interested in Veronica being the "adult" until it suited them.

Wes was right about that. Everyone on this show is full of shit, but other than being really weird and sounding like a robot, Wes has been better than most of the others this time around. I realize that's not saying much and I have no idea any longer whether these people are real or just characters on tv, so even taking a side about this makes me uncomfortable because I don't feel good defending anyone on this show.

I mean, these people seem to make their living from these challenges, so I guess if you felt you had bills to pay at home, you might do the really shitty things these people do too.

If anyone really deserves blame, it's the people who run this show and let Tonya participate when she's in need more of mental help than to be subjected to the chaos of these shows. It's not like she went downhill, she showed up on day 1 clearly not ready, imo, to be doing something like this.

[Giantrobo]

Originally Posted by mwbmis

She's 29 years old. I think it's time for her to grow up. Of course, MTV will probably keep having her back. She's just crazier every time now.

Sure it's time for her to grow up. It's time for ALL those RW/RR folks to grow up. But who the fuck watches these shows for Mature behavior?

Also, she was on Chicago not Seattle.

I think you're right. I think I got her home state confused with her season. Whatever, I'm still a fan of Tonya and I hope she can get her shit straight.

[Giantrobo]

Originally Posted by dolphinboy

I don't think anyone blamed those guys for riling Tonya up before she started swinging.

The issue, from what I saw, was that everyone kind of sat there enjoying the fight and AFTER it happened, Evan and his group blamed Veronica for not walking away when no one seemed too interested in Veronica being the "adult" until it suited them.

Wes was right about that.

Yes, -EVERYONE- sat by...including WES. Even Cohutta and Derrick sat by. It's easy for WES to pass judgment on 3 guys he's been at odds with since day one after the fact.

FffffffUCK WES.

[mwbmis]

Originally Posted by dolphinboy

I don't think anyone blamed those guys for riling Tonya up before she started swinging.

The issue, from what I saw, was that everyone kind of sat there enjoying the fight and AFTER it happened, Evan and his group blamed Veronica for not walking away when no one seemed too interested in Veronica being the "adult" until it suited them.

Wes was right about that. Everyone on this show is full of shit, but other than being really weird and sounding like a robot, Wes has been better than most of the others this time around. I realize that's not saying much and I have no idea any longer whether these people are real or just characters on tv, so even taking a side about this makes me uncomfortable because I don't feel good defending anyone on this show.

I mean, these people seem to make their living from these challenges, so I guess if you felt you had bills to pay at home, you might do the really shitty things these people do too.

If anyone really deserves blame, it's the people who run this show and let Tonya participate when she's in need more of mental help than to be subjected to the chaos of these shows. It's not like she went downhill, she showed up on day 1 clearly not ready, imo, to be doing something like this.

Veronica should have walked away, but they were wrong to blame her for the incident. She did definitely have some culpability though.

I just can't take Wes' side on anything b/c he's such a dick. Keep in mind the only reason he's "playing well with others" right now is b/c Johanna threatened to sell his house and not give him any of the money. Given that they have not tossed him in the "bottom 3" in the last two weeks I think they have seemed to reach some sort of understanding. But Wes came on this show with the basic intention to be a dick. He showed up acting like a dick and then had the temerity to act all offended when they treated him that way. Not everyone on that team is Evan, Kenny, and Johnny, and he burned all those other bridges too.

That having been said, while I've never really liked Kenny or Johnny, I've always sort of liked Evan (though admittedly not as much as I used to). He plays the game for sure, but he does come in with a strategy and then he executes it. Look at someone like Derrick, who quite visibly has matured these last five years. How many of these challenges did he lose before he started teaming up with people who had a plan? I believe he's won at least his last two challenges.

[Giantrobo]

But, if you know Tonya is a crazy, and Veronica does, then you almost have to be the mature one and walk away from the face of Drunken Madness. Maybe it was messed up for them to gang up on Veronica after the fight; and I felt bad when she started crying. But they weren't necessarily wrong about what they were saying to her.

Also, I think something was edited out because they all said both girls said a specific thing that really hit the other one's nerve. I wonder what they both said...

[mwbmis]

Originally Posted by Giantrobo

But, if you know Tonya is a crazy, and Veronica does, then you almost have to be the mature one and walk away from the face of Drunken Madness. Maybe it was messed up for them to gang up on Veronica after the fight; and I felt bad when she started crying. But they weren't necessarily wrong about what they were saying to her.

Also, I think something was edited out because they all said both girls said a specific thing that really hit the other one's nerve. I wonder what they both said...

That's a good point. It's not like we have the live feeds so we can only judge things based on how MTV chooses to edit them.

[OscarBluth]

Originally Posted by Giantrobo

Also, I think something was edited out because they all said both girls said a specific thing that really hit the other one's nerve. I wonder what they both said...

Veronica called Tonya crazy. Likely true.

Tonya called Veronica a slut. You define slut, decide if it's true.

Crazy is an imbalance. Sluts, while their behavior might be rooted in an imbalance, are looked at as choosing to bone lots of dudes. So if two girls call each other crazy and slut and if both labels are true, the slut can choose to walk away because the crazy has no peen to mount.

[mwbmis]

Glad that Wes is gone. Even better that a class act like Cohutta took him out.

It's almost refreshing the way that Cohutta has basically all along treated his relationship with Kelly Anne (however it sits) as none of our business. It was only slightly addressed in Sydney (because he wouldn't talk about it) and his role in this whole big mess on the challenge was really minimal.

Ibis...eh...whatever.

[Bill Needle]

Yeah Wes is gone, but even Lavin mocked the "champions" by pointing out that now someone else would actually have to go in.

[fumanstan]

I thought it was pretty funny that Ibis ended up going in after the tied vote about Veronica. Glad to see the challengers actually win both Ruins matches.

[boredsilly]

I'm sorry to see Ibis go. She's so hot with that thick black hair now. Yum.

It's hard to be happy for anyone on these shows, since most of them come off like assholes, but I do like Cohutta. Glad to see him win, but it sucks that Wes is gone. I don't like Wes, but he's good for this kind of show--which I gotta be honest and say I sometimes feel back after watching. It's so trashy...yet so captivating.