Dollhouse -- "True Believer" -- 3/13/09

DJariya · 03-13-09, 03:47 AM

Synopsis:

Spoiler:

kstublen · 03-13-09, 09:01 PM

My faith has been restored. This episode was great. I think the Pilot was the worst; they've been getting steadily better since then. Next week's episode looks good, although...

Spoiler:

mcfly · 03-13-09, 09:02 PM

I couldn't get in to the pilot. Maybe this show wasn't for me.

kstublen · 03-13-09, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mcfly

I couldn't get in to the pilot. Maybe this show wasn't for me.

The Pilot was subpar at best. If you only watched that episode and didn't bother continuing for at least one more episode, then your post doesn't surprise me.

mcfly · 03-13-09, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kstublen

The Pilot was subpar at best. If you only watched that episode and didn't bother continuing for at least one more episode, then your post doesn't surprise me.

I didn't like the pilot, so I didn't see much reason to. I've heard so many mixed things. Maybe I'll give it another shot.

awil1026 · 03-13-09, 09:11 PM

Didn't like this episode much at all. Next week's episode might be it for me.

CKMorpheus · 03-13-09, 09:18 PM

Getting better and better for me. Next week is the first of the Joss controlled episodes, right?

Patman · 03-13-09, 10:29 PM

Can't believe they spent so much time on Victor's man reaction.

awil1026 · 03-14-09, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CKMorpheus

Getting better and better for me. Next week is the first of the Joss controlled episodes, right?

Right.

MrX · 03-14-09, 12:43 AM

This is the second week in a row this show has put me to sleep, I think I'm done.

dgmayor · 03-14-09, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKMorpheus

Getting better and better for me. Next week is the first of the Joss controlled episodes, right?

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Originally Posted by awil1026

Right.

Futoncritic listed this episode's production code as as #107. I thought 5 or 6 was the start of the Joss controlled eps?

Barry Woodward · 03-14-09, 11:37 AM

"Dollhouse" gained nearly a million viewers from last week, making it the highest rated episode since the pilot:

Episode 1 - 4.72 million
Episode 2 - 4.2 million
Episode 3 - 4.1 million
Episode 4 - 3.5 million (the Watchmen effect)
Episode 5 - 4.42 million

*Keep in mind, the DVR numbers released so far (for episodes one and two) have increased the ratings about 30%.

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/t...51/m/828103591

If you missed "True Believer", watch it on Hulu:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/62187/dollhouse-true-believer

Promo for the Joss Whedon penned episode, "Man On The Street":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s97CunU0ET8

Tim Minear interview:

http://www.dollverse.com/2009/03/pos...im-minear.html

Joss Whedon on why you should keep watching:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Whedon-D...r-1004045.aspx

TV Guide thinks renewal is still possible:

http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/the-b...shows-265.html

Best Buy using "Dollhouse" to sell HDTVs:

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-d...9031201256.jpg

rfduncan · 03-14-09, 11:44 AM

This week was pretty good. I'm certainly anxious for the seasonal arc to start moving more quickly - and next week's episode looks to be headed in that direction. I'm not worried about an encounter between Echo and the FBI agent so soon since Wheedon has done such encounters in Buffy before without ruining the season's flow. If anything, I expect this encounter will further push Echo to further "see perfectly."

DJariya · 03-14-09, 02:01 PM

Good to see the numbers go back to over 4M viewers. It still sucks though. I wonder if this show would have had higher numbers if it was paired with 24 as originally planned.

UngersPride · 03-14-09, 05:44 PM

This episode was good, but it felt too generic: too much like other investigator shows.

It felt too constrained, too..... conventional..... like it was in a strait-jacket. When are the episodes Whedon had control over going to air?

DJariya · 03-14-09, 06:05 PM

I'm confused with some statements here mentioning Whedon-controlled episodes. Isn't he the head writer and Showrunner as well as creator? Why would he not have control over the episodes that have aired. All I know is he was asked by the network to re-work the pilot, which most of you expressed that you hated.

Axeramm · 03-14-09, 07:17 PM

Eliza stated that the episodes really started to work well with episode 6 on and that the networks finally stopped interfering and let Joss do his thing the way he wanted. Tivo showed this as episode 107 for me as well so perhaps this is one of the ones she was referring. Thought it was interesting that the one Dollhouse guy tried to kill Echo. Cant wait for the showdown with him and her handler.

hahn · 03-14-09, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axeramm

Eliza stated that the episodes really started to work well with episode 6 on and that the networks finally stopped interfering and let Joss do his thing the way he wanted. Tivo showed this as episode 107 for me as well so perhaps this is one of the ones she was referring. Thought it was interesting that the one Dollhouse guy tried to kill Echo. Cant wait for the showdown with him and her handler.

Hmm...I'm not sure that he was trying to kill her. If he was, he could have easily done so. I'm thinking more along the lines that

Spoiler:

(not really a spoiler but in case no one wants to hear guesses).

Axeramm · 03-14-09, 08:16 PM

I thought he tried to knock her out so that she would either burn in the fire or suffocate.

wmansir · 03-14-09, 09:18 PM

I took it that he was trying to kill her, but it didn't make a lot of sense for him to shoot the guy who was about to kill her only to knock her out to die in the fire.

runner001 · 03-14-09, 10:31 PM

that's true. so what the hell was he doing there?

Original Desmond · 03-15-09, 01:09 AM

I didn't like this episode

Patman · 03-15-09, 01:14 AM

I pretty much hate any of these "David Koresh"-ish (charismatic religious leaders) episodes.

Mysteryfan · 03-15-09, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axeramm

I thought he tried to knock her out so that she would either burn in the fire or suffocate.

I agree. Didn't he say 'Trouble ends here' when he knocked her out. I think he was trying to get rid of her because he thinks she will become another Alpha, but the director won't let him. By having her suffocate in the fire, everyone would think it was an accident.

Torchur317 · 03-15-09, 01:04 PM

I always liked the cult stuff so I enjoyed this episode....

03-13-09, 09:01 PM	#2
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03-13-09, 03:47 AM	#1
DJariya DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: La Palma, CA Posts: 27,400	Dollhouse -- "True Believer" -- 3/13/09 Synopsis: Spoiler: Echo infiltrates a dangerous cult in order to save a woman who's being held against her will, but the mission may be complicated by the imprint given her: that of a visually impaired woman.

03-14-09, 12:43 AM	#10
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03-14-09, 11:37 AM	#12
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rfduncan DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 9,792	Re: Dollhouse -- "True Believer" -- 3/13/09 This week was pretty good. I'm certainly anxious for the seasonal arc to start moving more quickly - and next week's episode looks to be headed in that direction. I'm not worried about an encounter between Echo and the FBI agent so soon since Wheedon has done such encounters in Buffy before without ruining the season's flow. If anything, I expect this encounter will further push Echo to further "see perfectly." __________________ Hi, Super Nintendo Chalmers! - Ralph Wiggum A Grilled Charlie has peanut butter last! Peanut butter outside, chocolate inside! Butter inside, cheese outside! - Charlie Kelly

03-14-09, 02:01 PM	#14
DJariya DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: La Palma, CA Posts: 27,400	Re: Dollhouse -- "True Believer" -- 3/13/09 Good to see the numbers go back to over 4M viewers. It still sucks though. I wonder if this show would have had higher numbers if it was paired with 24 as originally planned.

03-14-09, 05:44 PM	#15
UngersPride Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 73	Re: Dollhouse -- "True Believer" -- 3/13/09 This episode was good, but it felt too generic: too much like other investigator shows. It felt too constrained, too..... conventional..... like it was in a strait-jacket. When are the episodes Whedon had control over going to air?

03-14-09, 06:05 PM	#16
DJariya DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: La Palma, CA Posts: 27,400	Re: Dollhouse -- "True Believer" -- 3/13/09 I'm confused with some statements here mentioning Whedon-controlled episodes. Isn't he the head writer and Showrunner as well as creator? Why would he not have control over the episodes that have aired. All I know is he was asked by the network to re-work the pilot, which most of you expressed that you hated.

03-14-09, 07:17 PM	#17
Axeramm DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,655	Re: Dollhouse -- "True Believer" -- 3/13/09 Eliza stated that the episodes really started to work well with episode 6 on and that the networks finally stopped interfering and let Joss do his thing the way he wanted. Tivo showed this as episode 107 for me as well so perhaps this is one of the ones she was referring. Thought it was interesting that the one Dollhouse guy tried to kill Echo. Cant wait for the showdown with him and her handler.

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Axeramm DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,655	Re: Dollhouse -- "True Believer" -- 3/13/09 I thought he tried to knock her out so that she would either burn in the fire or suffocate.

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wmansir DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Land of the Lobstrosities Posts: 8,560	Re: Dollhouse -- "True Believer" -- 3/13/09 I took it that he was trying to kill her, but it didn't make a lot of sense for him to shoot the guy who was about to kill her only to knock her out to die in the fire. __________________ wes

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runner001 DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NY Posts: 2,394	Re: Dollhouse -- "True Believer" -- 3/13/09 that's true. so what the hell was he doing there? __________________ Wii Friend code: 5228 8198 0063 7157 SSBB code: 0903-2413-9219 MK code: 5198-3237-4176

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Torchur317 DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 2,760	Re: Dollhouse -- "True Believer" -- 3/13/09 I always liked the cult stuff so I enjoyed this episode....