Heroes -- "Building 26" -- Vol. 4: Fugitives -- 2/16/09 - Page 4

Michael Corvin · 02-23-09, 08:36 AM

You are one of the few. It's not a discussion though when 98% of the posts are "this is a train wreck why do I still watch" type posts. I just think it's hysterical that the show is supposedly so awful, yet no one can stop watching.

Michael Corvin · 02-23-09, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by spainlinx0

It's not like we're posting "this sucks" and running. .

Most of page one is general discussion, but maybe you missed page 2:

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Originally Posted by dolphinboy

This show is unbearable. I honestly can't explain why I watch other than that I'm stupid.

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Originally Posted by hahn

Ha....I watched the first 5 minutes and actually shut it off. Just can't take the god awful writing anymore. This show makes me want to self-lobotomize.

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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt

This show is pretty much crap except for Sylar storyline.

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Originally Posted by pridesticks06

Pretty much the only reason I still watch is Sylar.

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Originally Posted by kaze0

Heroes makes me cry.

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Originally Posted by Dan1boy

This show is now such an embarssment. My girlfriend, a huge fan of S1 is so sick of the shenanigans she wants to cut it from our viewing schedule.

Me, it's like the old cliche of the train wreck...very hard to look away.

None of this adds anything to a "discussion" but maybe it's just me.

spainlinx0 · 02-23-09, 09:24 AM

I'll admit the show is getting an inordinate amount of hate. However I think it's the fact that our expectations have just been crushed. The first season was good. It wasn't fantastic, but it was good. I think we thought that OK, the first season is out now this show is going to be fantastic. The writers have a year under their belts so they can take what we like about the show and expand while cutting out the crap we haven't really been fond of. This show had amazing potential.

It's rare that a genre show can capture the attention of so many people and to just SHIT on it like they did is inexcusable.

Compare this to a show like Lost. Lost had an amazing first season followed by an "uneven" second season. The writers actually took fan criticism to heart, and what we have now is what I would consider a pretty fun show to watch. I'll admit the acting can get melodramatic and the characters still do some stupid things, but for the most part, you feel like the writers are taking you somewhere. They have a story they want to tell, and they really love the story.

Now look at Heroes. I never get the impression that the writers have a story they really want to tell. They have moments that they want to get on screen, and they will throw shit on there to get to those moments. There's no cohesiveness to the story. There is no tension. There's no mystery. Let me ask you, are you curious what Sylar's dad is going to be like? Do you even care? Does it even matter? Will it change Sylar in any meaningful way? The writers only know that people like Sylar, and they like Sylar, but I don't feel like there is much else there.

I feel like the writers are sitting in their room and saying "You know what would be really cool? Let's have Tracy break out of a room, and kill some guy by freezing him and shattering his body menacingly."

Why would she DO that? There are characters doing stupid things because they are stupid, and there are characters doing things that make absolutely no sense at all for their character. Sylar would do something like that. We have established Sylar doesn't really have any moral qualms about killing people.

She could not benefit from that action, and from what we have seen of her character, she is always planning, and does things that benefit her. Right there she had the perfect opportunity for freedom, a friendly witness who is already hesitant about the whole program. So what does she do? Kill some guy in front of her, without remorse? Come on. It is things like that that frustrate me beyond belief.

wmansir · 02-23-09, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by spainlinx0

I feel like the writers are sitting in their room and saying "You know what would be really cool? Let's have Tracy break out of a room, and kill some guy by freezing him and shattering his body menacingly."

Why would she DO that? There are characters doing stupid things because they are stupid, and there are characters doing things that make absolutely no sense at all for their character. Sylar would do something like that. We have established Sylar doesn't really have any moral qualms about killing people.

She could not benefit from that action, and from what we have seen of her character, she is always planning, and does things that benefit her. Right there she had the perfect opportunity for freedom, a friendly witness who is already hesitant about the whole program. So what does she do? Kill some guy in front of her, without remorse? Come on. It is things like that that frustrate me beyond belief.

I could buy that perhaps Tracy didn't figure out it was all a setup until after she was recaptured. But she is still the same character who earlier in the season was completely horrified and guilt ridden when she accidentally killed someone. Now she has no problems killing people just for spite.

pinata242 · 02-23-09, 11:00 AM

This show does suck but I keep hanging around for the return of Fuller. I'll get through all of Volume 4 and, even if it isn't noticeably better, I'll give Vol 5 a fair shake before I give up.

It didn't always suck and I see the potential. But I admit I am only suffering through this shit with the hope it'll get better.

spainlinx0 · 02-23-09, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wmansir

I could buy that perhaps Tracy didn't figure out it was all a setup until after she was recaptured. But she is still the same character who earlier in the season was completely horrified and guilt ridden when she accidentally killed someone. Now she has no problems killing people just for spite.

Which wouldn't be a problem if they had progressed her character down that path. But they did not. She is that same character from the beginning, and has had no development. Now that's fine, not every character has to change and develop, some people do retain their personalities, but it was just such a ridiculous contrived situation that I got physically angry at it.

fujishig · 02-23-09, 01:35 PM

Whew, just watched this ep, just in time for the next one!

It's bad when pretty much every single one of the major storylines have moments where I just have to roll my eyes.

Hiro goes to India to find out that he doesn't need powers to be a hero. Great. What a waste of time/effort. He gets jealous that Ando does the heroing at first, puts like a child, and they don't explore that more? Ando actually does something that makes sense, but gets right back into the backseat. And why did this need to be in India? So that they could show us the cute little digital effects to make a Los Angeles location look like India? Is Hiro just accessing his wealth even though he's wanted by the US government, who seems to be able to track people with cameras on the freeway? When the best thing about this storyline is that it only wasted part of one episode (which someone pointed out earlier), you know it's bad.

Tracy and the funding of the sentinel effort. Right. Lucky that she broke out at the exact right time, when Moira was storming into the office. Lucky that she's dumb enough to reverse her stance on illegal torture once she sees how horrific one person with a superpower is. It'd make more sense to bring Tracy in on this and have her act this part.

Claire and underwater boy. First is my annoyance that they waste a couple of minutes reminding people how geeky comic book stores and their patrons are. Not that it's not all true, but still, this is the audience of their show, right? She needs to get him away from her father, so she hides him... in her closet?

How are they detecting the people with powers anyway? Papa Suresh's notes? The Company?

HRG being humanized... ugh, why?

Good parts:
Sylar's storyline is actually pretty good, though I don't hold high hopes for a good payoff. I still like the character, and even microwave lad.

Cool, the Haitian's on the run too!

They actually did a good job in putting a bunch of main characters (mainly Mohinder, Peter, and Parkman) in the background to allow the other story lines some room to breathe. Even if I didn't like the main stories, I do appreciate that they're at least trying to give some focus from show to show.

HRG can't talk his way out of lying to his wife. I like that Claire assumed he did at first, too. I think the writers want me to side with Claire, but I'm still on HRG's side, as far as his rationale to protect his family.

JeffTheAlpaca · 02-24-09, 03:34 AM

I watch the shows on Mondays on my DVD instead of waiting until Wed or Thurs which I did for volume 3 "Fugitives."

02-23-09, 08:36 AM	#76
Michael Corvin DVD Talk Hero Join Date: May 1999 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 32,065	Re: Heroes -- "Building 26" -- Vol. 4: Fugitives -- 2/16/09 You are one of the few. It's not a discussion though when 98% of the posts are "this is a train wreck why do I still watch" type posts. I just think it's hysterical that the show is supposedly so awful, yet no one can stop watching. __________________ Xbox Live: Sith Draven / PSN: SithDraven / Wii: 3497 1324 7344 6386 Now Playing: Overlord \| Recently Finished: Ghostbusters \| On Deck: Lego Rock Band Video Game Report Card: 2007 \| 2008 \| 2009 If the RIAA had their way, listening to music at all would be illegal. -Suprmallet

02-23-09, 09:24 AM	#78
spainlinx0 DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: NJ Posts: 9,150	Re: Heroes -- "Building 26" -- Vol. 4: Fugitives -- 2/16/09 I'll admit the show is getting an inordinate amount of hate. However I think it's the fact that our expectations have just been crushed. The first season was good. It wasn't fantastic, but it was good. I think we thought that OK, the first season is out now this show is going to be fantastic. The writers have a year under their belts so they can take what we like about the show and expand while cutting out the crap we haven't really been fond of. This show had amazing potential. It's rare that a genre show can capture the attention of so many people and to just SHIT on it like they did is inexcusable. Compare this to a show like Lost. Lost had an amazing first season followed by an "uneven" second season. The writers actually took fan criticism to heart, and what we have now is what I would consider a pretty fun show to watch. I'll admit the acting can get melodramatic and the characters still do some stupid things, but for the most part, you feel like the writers are taking you somewhere. They have a story they want to tell, and they really love the story. Now look at Heroes. I never get the impression that the writers have a story they really want to tell. They have moments that they want to get on screen, and they will throw shit on there to get to those moments. There's no cohesiveness to the story. There is no tension. There's no mystery. Let me ask you, are you curious what Sylar's dad is going to be like? Do you even care? Does it even matter? Will it change Sylar in any meaningful way? The writers only know that people like Sylar, and they like Sylar, but I don't feel like there is much else there. I feel like the writers are sitting in their room and saying "You know what would be really cool? Let's have Tracy break out of a room, and kill some guy by freezing him and shattering his body menacingly." Why would she DO that? There are characters doing stupid things because they are stupid, and there are characters doing things that make absolutely no sense at all for their character. Sylar would do something like that. We have established Sylar doesn't really have any moral qualms about killing people. She could not benefit from that action, and from what we have seen of her character, she is always planning, and does things that benefit her. Right there she had the perfect opportunity for freedom, a friendly witness who is already hesitant about the whole program. So what does she do? Kill some guy in front of her, without remorse? Come on. It is things like that that frustrate me beyond belief. __________________ 360: Scorpy Gkar

02-23-09, 11:00 AM	#80
pinata242 DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Owasso, OK Posts: 16,751	Re: Heroes -- "Building 26" -- Vol. 4: Fugitives -- 2/16/09 This show does suck but I keep hanging around for the return of Fuller. I'll get through all of Volume 4 and, even if it isn't noticeably better, I'll give Vol 5 a fair shake before I give up. It didn't always suck and I see the potential. But I admit I am only suffering through this shit with the hope it'll get better. __________________ XBL: pinata360 Wii/DS: Click for codes! PSN: pinata242

02-23-09, 01:35 PM	#82
fujishig DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA Posts: 8,887	Re: Heroes -- "Building 26" -- Vol. 4: Fugitives -- 2/16/09 Whew, just watched this ep, just in time for the next one! It's bad when pretty much every single one of the major storylines have moments where I just have to roll my eyes. Hiro goes to India to find out that he doesn't need powers to be a hero. Great. What a waste of time/effort. He gets jealous that Ando does the heroing at first, puts like a child, and they don't explore that more? Ando actually does something that makes sense, but gets right back into the backseat. And why did this need to be in India? So that they could show us the cute little digital effects to make a Los Angeles location look like India? Is Hiro just accessing his wealth even though he's wanted by the US government, who seems to be able to track people with cameras on the freeway? When the best thing about this storyline is that it only wasted part of one episode (which someone pointed out earlier), you know it's bad. Tracy and the funding of the sentinel effort. Right. Lucky that she broke out at the exact right time, when Moira was storming into the office. Lucky that she's dumb enough to reverse her stance on illegal torture once she sees how horrific one person with a superpower is. It'd make more sense to bring Tracy in on this and have her act this part. Claire and underwater boy. First is my annoyance that they waste a couple of minutes reminding people how geeky comic book stores and their patrons are. Not that it's not all true, but still, this is the audience of their show, right? She needs to get him away from her father, so she hides him... in her closet? How are they detecting the people with powers anyway? Papa Suresh's notes? The Company? HRG being humanized... ugh, why? Good parts: Sylar's storyline is actually pretty good, though I don't hold high hopes for a good payoff. I still like the character, and even microwave lad. Cool, the Haitian's on the run too! They actually did a good job in putting a bunch of main characters (mainly Mohinder, Peter, and Parkman) in the background to allow the other story lines some room to breathe. Even if I didn't like the main stories, I do appreciate that they're at least trying to give some focus from show to show. HRG can't talk his way out of lying to his wife. I like that Claire assumed he did at first, too. I think the writers want me to side with Claire, but I'm still on HRG's side, as far as his rationale to protect his family.

02-24-09, 03:34 AM	#83
JeffTheAlpaca Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 668	Re: Heroes -- "Building 26" -- Vol. 4: Fugitives -- 2/16/09 I watch the shows on Mondays on my DVD instead of waiting until Wed or Thurs which I did for volume 3 "Fugitives."