Lost -- "This Place is Death" -- 2/11/09

[ttppll]

Originally Posted by Palaver

Transcript from Cabin Fever between Locke and Christian:

LOCKE: Are you Jacob?

MAN: No. But I can speak on his behalf.

LOCKE: Well, who are you?

MAN: I'm Christian.

Wow I totally missed that!

[Meglos]

Originally Posted by kevinlord190

wait so mrs hawking aka daniels mom has a british accent and HAS been on the island so maybe shes charlottes mom to?

If that's true, then Faraday's been crushing on his sis.

[pinata242]

Originally Posted by Palaver

Transcript from Cabin Fever between Locke and Christian:

LOCKE: Are you Jacob?

MAN: No. But I can speak on his behalf.

LOCKE: Well, who are you?

MAN: I'm Christian.

Obi-Wan Kenobi's Ghost: What I told you was true. From a certain point-of-view.

[Timber]

Originally Posted by Palaver

Transcript from Cabin Fever between Locke and Christian:

LOCKE: Are you Jacob?

MAN: No. But I can speak on his behalf.

LOCKE: Well, who are you?

MAN: I'm Christian.

Well that clears that up. Well doesn't really clear anything up but at least we know they aren't the same person. Maybe...

[mdc3000]

Well, is Christian a reliable source? We'll have to wait and see. I thought this episode was fucking solid and things are really ramping up... I wanted to see more of Desmond's reaction at the end or to maybe have Eloise say "Hello again Mr. Hume" or something, but that's a small nitpick... loved Smokies appearance, seeing the temple and the accelerated flashes are a huge fucking piss off to the losties (but really adds to the 'stuck in hell' feeling since the Oceanic 6 left).... Just an awesome hour of TV - this season is firing on all cylinders.

[chuckd21]

My only disappointment from this episode was how easily Jin and Sawyer's group reunited. I was hoping that they'd see Jin but not know he was from their time, and therefore be hesitant to interact with "past Jin". Thought that would have made an interesting wrinkle.

So is this time jumping stuff how they're going to explain older Walt appearing to Locke?

[mdc3000]

Oh yeah, as to why Charlotte didn't recognize Daniel earlier as the man who warned her when she was young - she probably couldn't vividly recall that memory until now, when her mind is tripping through time ("I'm not supposed to have chocolate before dinner" etc. She may have revisited that moment from her childhood, finally had the memory of the strange man come into focus)

[riley_dude]

Originally Posted by GenPion

This episode was weak. It was better than last weeks but it felt as though the writers were simply connecting dots. The plot was driving the characters forward. Usually, it is the other way around. I hope Damon and Carlton know what they are doing. Since they are credited as the writers for the next two episodes they had better deliver with them or a lot of my interest in this series is going to stop. And I am, for the most part, a HUGE fan of Science Fiction.

This season started out excellent but right now, with these last two episodes, all I feel is a degree of worry over this show that I love so much. And what we saw tonight had better not be the whole "backstory" to Rousseau. If so: DISAPPOINTMENT. That is all I feel.

Oh Brother. Can't please everyone. This episode was better than most moves you see in the theater. It is hopping along at a furied pace and it keeps getting more interesting and exciting.
I didn't think Jin would find everyone so quickly. Perhaps I am used to the old lost where nothing big happened for months.
The Time travel stuff adds another fun element to the show.
Sad to see Charlotte go. The actress did some great work.

[Palaver]

Oh, and I got a real kick out of the hissy fit Ben threw in the van. I got a real "fed up parent" vibe from it.

"If the two of you don't stop threatening to kill me, I'll turn this van around right now!"

[Geofferson]

Originally Posted by RichC2

IGoddamn ending

My DVR cut off near the end -- last scene I saw was when Sun said she'd go with Ben (right as Ben gave her the ring). Did anything happen after that I missed?

[Ephemeral_Life]

Originally Posted by Geofferson

My DVR cut off near the end -- last scene I saw was when Sun said she'd go with Ben (right as Ben gave her the ring). Did anything happen after that I missed?

Desmond showed up, and they all went to see Eloise Hawking, who said that the less-than-complete group of Losties would have to do for the time being, concluding the episode with saying "let's get started, shall we"?

[cracksky]

Originally Posted by kevinlord190

wait so mrs hawking aka daniels mom has a british accent and HAS been on the island so maybe shes charlottes mom to?

Ever since the beginning of the season I've always thought that Dr. Chang's baby was Charlotte and now that it's revealed she grew up on the island and can speak Korean (as well as Klingon) I think it's very clear they raised her.

It's nice to get confirmation that the 'monster' is actually the security system for the island and we seemed to have seen its lair for the first time. Still not sure how it determines a threat (other than scanning them but for what?).

I loved the severed arm. Reminded me of the Star Wars Universe.

I hope we see how the Black Rock ends up in the middle of the island. Maybe it's crashing during a storm as the island is re-appearing...

[Josh-da-man]

1. So I guess we know where Smokie was trying to drag Locke back in season one.

2. I've always thought that was a pre-existing relationship of some kind between Ben and Danielle, back when she captured him and turned him over to the Losties in season two. I've always had a feeling that they had met before.

3. As to who Charlotte might be... I doubt she's Ben's daughter. She doesn't seem much older than him, at least if we look at the timeline. If Ben was born in the 60s and came to the island in the 70s, he'd be about forty years old by now. Charlotte has to be in her late 20s, at least. So unless he got Annie pregnant when they were both in their early-mid teens, it's not likely. I think she could be the daughter of Horace Goodspeed and that blond woman... she'd seem to be about the right age to have been born in the mid-70s. (We know Horace died in the purge, though I don't remember what happened to his wife.)

[cracksky]

Originally Posted by siddd5

Cant believe Locke died from a wound to the knee.

We don't know yet how Locke will die or if he dies for sure. We know that he probably makes it through to Tunisia after turning the wheel then I assume gets medical attention. Then, he finds his way to the States no doubt. He got to Ben and was able to give him Jin's message for Sun and pass on his ring. He also told him what happened on the island after they left. The name on the van suggests that Locke did die but will come back at some point. Or, maybe he was given some drugs by Ben to appear dead long enough for the funeral. Afterward, the body needed to be stored perhaps in a meat locker in a butcher shop. Maybe Ben knows that the island will reincarnate Locke once they all get back with its restorative powers.

[pinata242]

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man

I think she could be the daughter of Horace Goodspeed and that blond woman... she'd seem to be about the right age to have been born in the mid-70s. (We know Horace died in the purge, though I don't remember what happened to his wife.)

NO! I repeat what I said last week:

Originally Posted by pinata242

There is no way that thing came out of Samantha Mathis. There's a limit to my suspension of disbelief, even for Lost!

[zuffy]

What the hell happen to the hardcore Kate anyway? She seem like an annoying mom now.

[Groucho]

Originally Posted by zuffy

What the hell happen to the hardcore Kate anyway? She seem like an annoying mom now.

We'll discover in a flashback that Hardcore Kate ended up married to Relationship Dubaku.

[Palaver]

Originally Posted by cracksky

He got to Ben and was able to give him Jin's message for Sun and pass on his ring. He also told him what happened on the island after they left. The name on the van suggests that Locke did die but will come back at some point. Or, maybe he was given some drugs by Ben to appear dead long enough for the funeral.

After finding out that Locke did contact Ben, this seems like a real possibility. Someone in a previous thread mentioned the spider poison that did in Nikki and Paulo.

Locke's death may have been a ruse to shake up the Oceanic 6 to get them back to the island. Ben's a crafty devil and I wouldn't put anything past him at this point.

[PopcornTreeCt]

I thought the biggest discovery of the episode was when Charlotte told Faraday that he told her not to come back to the island when she was young. Because now that means the current characters are in a timeloop. Now the writers can make it like something they do in the next episode or season caused the plane to crash. I always wanted to believe that we are seeing the characters in the present and that their actions weren't predetermined, but tonight we learned that the present is not the present.

[ElementZ]

I have to say that Ben has to be one of the greatest all time villians in any form of media. How many times has he had a gun to his head or his life threatened only to talk his way out of it? He is the one of the most manipulative villians I ever had the pleasure to witness.

[dhmac]

Originally Posted by cracksky

Maybe Ben knows that the island will reincarnate Locke once they all get back with its restorative powers.

The island regenerated Christian Shephard (what-a-name, when you think about it) as the stand-in for Jacob and he arrived on the island as a corpse. So I expect the same thing to happen to Locke when he returns as a corpse.

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[jwb0323]

Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt

I thought the biggest discovery of the episode was when Charlotte told Faraday that he told her not to come back to the island when she was young. Because now that means the current characters are in a timeloop. Now the writers can make it like something they do in the next episode or season caused the plane to crash. I always wanted to believe that we are seeing the characters in the present and that their actions weren't predetermined, but tonight we learned that the present is not the present.

I wonder if the timeloops did stop when Locke turned the wheel. They stopped and the losties are now stuck in the past and will continue living their life from that point forward.

[pinata242]

Originally Posted by jwb0323

I wonder if the timeloops did stop when Locke turned the wheel. They stopped and the losties are now stuck in the past and will continue living their life from that point forward.

I wonder along these lines too.

Assuming Locke brings everyone back, when will they show up on the island?

Will Faraday/Sawyer/Miles/Juliet keep jumping until Locke & the O6 do something else?

Will Locke & the O6 have to wait until the other jump into their time and then break the cycle?

Or will it just be a happy coincidence that everyone is lined up temporally upon their return?

[One_hung_low]

Jack and Locke have to meet again before Locke dies. At the end of season 4, Jack says Locke told him about what happened after they left the island and that Locke had even visited Kate.

[Timber]

Originally Posted by jwb0323

I wonder if the timeloops did stop when Locke turned the wheel. They stopped and the losties are now stuck in the past and will continue living their life from that point forward.

That's a good point because if the flashes have stopped we know that Faraday will be around for the construction of the Orchid and he'll meet up with child Charlotte at some point as well.