Draven

If Starbuck turns out to be a sixth Cylon, that would be the dumbest thing they ever did on the show. They have made such a HUGE DEAL about the fact that were five Cylons remaining, that to add another completely negates all of it.

She's something else - I guarantee it.

pinata242

There was something in a previous episode that I commented on that made me believe the Tigh had at least confided his vision to the Adamas (as Lee seemed to know).

But the remark to Starbuck about "what she is" sure made it seem like a) Ellen isn't widely known and/or b) Starbuck's discovery was known to someone besides her and Leoben.

Deke Rivers

ditto..I was mentioning this just the other night to a friend..personally I think this show should have just ended with the scene right after they landed on Earth

bunkaroo

Well given the whole 12 tribes thing and the revelation of a "13th tribe", I wouldn't be surprised if they go for the symbolism of a "13th cylon".

wendersfan

I disagree. The subplot served the purpose of showing how the fleet is/has been split over the human-cylon alliance, and just how upset a large number of people were over it.

JuryDuty

Plus, it wrapped up both of their stories completely, which is needed since this is the final season.

Shazam

You misunderstand. They show a firing squad, presumably killing Zarek and Gaeta. Now then, if in the future we see something like, say, Zarek and/or Gaeta alive, then what the hell was the point of having said firing squad scene? And since we actually didn't see Zarek and Gaeta get shot, chopped into a million pieces, buried and a time lapse of their pieces decomposing, then according to the Complete Compendium of Movie and Television Cliches, it's entirely possible that they reappear.

Shazam

Meh. So they showed it. Now what?

starseed1981

I loved the Gaeta - Zarak subplot. And I loved how it ended as well.

wendersfan

Now we have a better understanding of the situation in the fleet.

DVD Josh

The last two episodes have been simply brilliant. I actually respect the fact they didn't drag out the mutiny, too few episodes left to have it stretch into 3-4.

pinata242

Speaking of which, how long did the mutiny even last? Like 4-5 hours?

Shazam

I guess we'll see the occasional person rebelling against some sort of order that involves them working with the Cylons?

lysander

Lee Adama definately knows. In a previous episode when talking to reporters he slipped and said something like "She died a while ago"

I think the remark to Starbuck is due to the fact that she was presumed dead for 2 months and then reappeared out of nowhere. Regardless of what Starbuck and Leoben saw, I think everyone is pretty suspicious of what or who she is.

SiberianLlama

Loved this episode and loved this entire mini-arc.

I think it's amazing that BSG can show us how much strain the fleet has been under. How even good people with good intentions, like Gaeta, can find themselves on the wrong path (paved with good intentions).

It just blows me away imagining another show doing something as bold as this. Could you imagine Star Trek TNG ever having a coup aboard the Enterprise?

As much as I hated Gaeta in these last two episodes, I still think he's one of the most sympathetic and sad characters on the show and I'll miss him.

Anyone else find it interesting that both the Cylons and the Humans started fighting amonst themselves as the stress kept mounting? I think this is just one more way for the writers to show us that whether Toaster or Human, we're more alike than not.

aintnosin

She's not one of the Final 5, but that doesn't mean she's 100% human. Remember, there were supposedly billions of Cylons on Earth 2000 years earlier who weren't among the 12 models we know.

Draven

Again, I still think they've made such a big deal about the Five that having a Sixth just seems...dumb.

I'm leaning toward the idea that it wasn't Kara in the crashed Viper. Blonde hair and dog tags could be faked. But we'll see what they come up with.

beavismom

I think Starbuck is a clone of some sort made from the parts they took way back when she was captive on Caprica. As much as I hated the turn of events with Gaeta, I think it was a great storyline and I think it shows how people would react when faced with what the survivors are supposed to be facing. The lines in battle are not always so easy to see.

cornflakeguy

My GF and I watch this together and she has finally won me over to her side of thinking regarding Starbuck...and it is thus:

Starbuck is damn near a useless/underused character.

The "miracle return" aside, all Starbuck has done the last 2 years is tick people off. She has no real thoughts or usage in the show. She can dish out the abuse and jokes but when someone dishes it back she throws a bowl of cereal at them and glares.

What kind of writing is that? I want her airlocked if I'm on the ship, and that's not even taking into account her 'human' status.

Going commando with Lee to take back the ship was a good move, and she DID say that she felt alive for the first time in weeks. Hopefully whoever puts words in her mouth is alive now, too.

runner001

which is it? You can't be both useless and be underused, can you? I think she's been useless.

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runner001

That's a good point that there were billions of cylons on earth before it was devastated. But we don't know for sure if they were all different models or if they were the same models, just various copies (like what we have now with the 12).

As far as the body being faked, it still doesn't resolve how she was able to survive an explosion of her viper in high altitude of a planet.

Draven

You've never been around someone who can dish it out but not take it? I've known many people like that in my life. Nothing unusual about that aspect of her character.

JuryDuty

Lately, yes, she's been pretty useless, as has Lee Adama. As has Baltar. All three of these characters were integral to the first couple seasons. But once they switched things up, there's just not much need for any of them, which is a real shame given that they have historically been very compelling characters for this series.

riley_dude

Not everyone cast member can have a Big story every episode and it wont matter in another 6 weeks or so because the show will be over.

JuryDuty

No, you're right--but I think they're referring to the character's importance over an entire season, which is what I was referring to. Those characters were much more integral to the series in the first couple seasons. This last couple, they've been a bit on the back-burner, and even episodes that do feature them don't seem all that important to the overall storyline of the series, whereas they used to, big-time.