Heroes -- "The Eclipse Part 2" -- 12/1/08
12-03-08, 04:53 PM
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So far three people have asked what happened in the final 2-3 minutes of the episode and to the best of my knowledge nobody gave a serious answer. I just glanced through the thread, so I could be wrong. I am one of the people who had a DVR that cut off before the episode ended. Could one of you tell us what happened?
12-03-08, 05:59 PM
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You forgot Ando, who was standing right there.
12-03-08, 06:22 PM
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12-03-08, 06:54 PM
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To those who thought the Eclipse was a waste... Didn't Pa Patrelli and oddly enough Peter both sum it up? Pa made a comment about how we got to see what was really inside of people without their powers. And Peter said something to The Haitian about seeing if he still had it in him to be a hero even without his powers.
12-03-08, 07:25 PM
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Why didn't Electro Girl squirt her Electric load all over Sylar like she did when he cut cut her head open the 1st time? Did he even cut her head this time? I guess it's implied that he was at least going to right?
12-03-08, 08:01 PM
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Question: I can't believe Sylar killed Elle. Why would Heroes get rid of Kirsten Bell? -- Sarah
Ausiello: Kristen's return was never meant to be long term, so she was leaving one way or the other. But as I hinted in last week's AA, I wasn't expecting her exit to be so permanent. And it is permanent. Unlike 90 percent of the deaths on Heroes, this one will stick. Ironic, no?
Ausiello: Kristen's return was never meant to be long term, so she was leaving one way or the other. But as I hinted in last week's AA, I wasn't expecting her exit to be so permanent. And it is permanent. Unlike 90 percent of the deaths on Heroes, this one will stick. Ironic, no?
12-03-08, 08:48 PM
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This powerful dude about to lay smack down and then Hiro just pops in and says, "Yo, I remember you, bad man!" TPs him away and resolves the situation in a matter of seconds. Shows how powerful he could be if he wasn't so scared of everything or too much the pussy to actually use his powers. When he gets them back, he'll be pissed at himself for going into the past after he vowed not to.
Funniest part was not that Hiro did it, but the "What the fuck" look on Sylar's face. Quinto is a fairly decent actor, at times. Others...
12-03-08, 10:31 PM
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Eh, I'm glad they killed Elle. While I loved her in Veronica Mars and Forgetting Sarah Marshall this was not the role for her at all.
12-04-08, 02:24 AM
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12-04-08, 05:41 AM
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12-04-08, 07:14 AM
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So much for the uphill climb the show has been making the past 3-4 episodes. This one just put it back in the crapper. So the writers keep trying to bring back the magic by recycling shit from season one. Oooh... Claire in the morgue, cut to commercial, fade back in on Claire gasping for breath. It's fucking ridiculous. They can't even wait between episodes to bring people back anymore. That's the fourth character this season revived after a commercial break (inc. Sylar, Parkman, Daphne). Enough. Grow some balls Kring and pare down the cast. What purpose does Claire serve at this point anyway? Nathan? Suresh? Tracy?
Parkman & Daphne's scenes were painful to watch. The directing & acting were terrible. Ohh Maya's back! Um, yea! ?? HRG has a clear headshot on Sylar at the end of the last episode and this one opens with Sylar nailing Elle naked on the floor? I like KBell as much as the next guy, but watching her strip and get freaky with Spock is a low priority when you have the edge on Sylar... which it turns out, doesn't matter because apparently he can cheat death. Oh and apparently the Hatian can't stop Nathan from flying anymore. Wasn't he standing there when Nathan flew/tackled his brother? Also, he didn't cripple Daphne when they previously met this season? Giving her character CP was clearly an afterthought.
I also thought the global eclipse was odd, but with all the shit I mentioned above, I think a global eclipse is the most plausible thing on the show.
Surprisingly the only story that worked for me was Hiro.
The plotline that hasn't worked all season, magically came together in this episode. He did something useful and it was humorous.
The most perplexing thing is that, with the shortened season last year, the writers had more than a year to plot this shit out. It's almost like they finish the script the day they start filming, plot holes be damned. It's like they don't even care at this point.
If there is no threat to the main characters than there is no tension. Without tension there is zero drama. See above. Oh shit! I can't believe they killed Sylar... oh wait, he'll be back inside of 90 seconds after the JiffyPop commercial.
The big difference is that in season one we had regular people leading normal lives dealing with extraordinary powers and situations. It was understandable when a character would do something stupid. Here we are two years later and these same people are still doing the same moronic things. They've learned zilch since gaining their abilities. Not to mention they all stopped leading normal lives sometime last season.
You're delirious. Lost has never been 'bad.'
My best guess is that since Sylar has her power he would no longer be affected by it.
Come on... no one except Maya is as pointless as Tracy/Jessica/etc. Maybe Claire at this point.
Parkman & Daphne's scenes were painful to watch. The directing & acting were terrible. Ohh Maya's back! Um, yea! ?? HRG has a clear headshot on Sylar at the end of the last episode and this one opens with Sylar nailing Elle naked on the floor? I like KBell as much as the next guy, but watching her strip and get freaky with Spock is a low priority when you have the edge on Sylar... which it turns out, doesn't matter because apparently he can cheat death. Oh and apparently the Hatian can't stop Nathan from flying anymore. Wasn't he standing there when Nathan flew/tackled his brother? Also, he didn't cripple Daphne when they previously met this season? Giving her character CP was clearly an afterthought.
I also thought the global eclipse was odd, but with all the shit I mentioned above, I think a global eclipse is the most plausible thing on the show.
Surprisingly the only story that worked for me was Hiro.
The plotline that hasn't worked all season, magically came together in this episode. He did something useful and it was humorous.The most perplexing thing is that, with the shortened season last year, the writers had more than a year to plot this shit out. It's almost like they finish the script the day they start filming, plot holes be damned. It's like they don't even care at this point.
I find it good they did not feel like killing off half the cast, there is too much death with media now days anyway, what is with people wanting so much death now days? I do not get it, what is the point of randomly just killing off characters? I rather the main characters live.
Claire really does need to stop being shot.
Claire really does need to stop being shot.
I know exactly what I'm going to get from Heroes (and I just rewatched Season 1...which I think people are remembering a LITTLE too fondly) and this episode fit right in.
Claire getting hurt, Mohinder being stupid, Nathan doing something that makes no sense, Peter whining, Sylar playing 8 different characters in the course of an episode (good, bad, sort of good, kind of bad, etc.), Parkman getting a stupid subplot, Hiro acting like a child, and so on.
Every week, we get some variation of these things. And every week I still tune in, because I like the world and I like the characters. A lot of you obviously don't, so I'd recommend flipping the channel because it will NEVER meet your expectations.
Claire getting hurt, Mohinder being stupid, Nathan doing something that makes no sense, Peter whining, Sylar playing 8 different characters in the course of an episode (good, bad, sort of good, kind of bad, etc.), Parkman getting a stupid subplot, Hiro acting like a child, and so on.
Every week, we get some variation of these things. And every week I still tune in, because I like the world and I like the characters. A lot of you obviously don't, so I'd recommend flipping the channel because it will NEVER meet your expectations.
Come on... no one except Maya is as pointless as Tracy/Jessica/etc. Maybe Claire at this point.
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12-04-08, 07:41 AM
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Yeah but when he popped her lid last time it was an all out power explosion/EMF type thing that affected everything in the vicinity. That's how the prisoners escaped. So even if he's immune there still should have been a power surge as soon as he opened her up.
12-04-08, 08:43 AM
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12-04-08, 08:52 AM
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The big difference is that in season one we had regular people leading normal lives dealing with extraordinary powers and situations. It was understandable when a character would do something stupid. Here we are two years later and these same people are still doing the same moronic things. They've learned zilch since gaining their abilities. Not to mention they all stopped leading normal lives sometime last season.
12-04-08, 08:54 AM
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I believe that the Haitian has to actively cancel powers. I didn't think it was automatic like Claire's. I was under the impression that he kind of turned on a "force field" that negates powers, along with having the ability to wipe peoples' minds.
12-04-08, 08:57 AM
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What about all of Claire, Sylar, and Peter's former injuries, including major brain damage cause by impalement, returning from all the way back to Season 1? Based on what happened to Adam, maybe they all should have succumbed to former injuries and died once the Eclipse negated their powers.
But yeah I remember a discussion about this when Adam was killed by Pa Petrelli...
It was whether Healing powers should be a one time thing... i.e. Once cells are healed, there's no longer a need for the ability to be used so they go dormant until needed again.
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Having the Healing abilities in constant use... i.e. keeping the formerly damaged but now healed cells healed all the time with the ability never going dormant. In this case once the ability is interrupted, damage returns. It would seem Adam's ability worked like this. The thing is it appears he died from old age once the power was taken, not necessarily old injuries.
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12-04-08, 09:00 AM
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12-04-08, 09:13 AM
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What about all of Claire, Sylar, and Peter's former injuries, including major brain damage cause by impalement, returning from all the way back to Season 1? Based on what happened to Adam, maybe they all should have succumbed to former injuries and died once the Eclipse negated their powers.
But yeah I remember a discussion about this when Adam was killed by Pa Petrelli...
It was whether Healing powers should be a one time thing... i.e. Once cells are healed, there's no longer a need for the ability to be used so they go dormant until needed again.
Or
Having the Healing abilities in constant use... i.e. keeping the formerly damaged but now healed cells healed all the time with the ability never going dormant. In this case once the ability is interrupted, damage returns. It would seem Adam's ability worked like this. The thing is it appears he died from old age once the power was taken, not necessarily old injuries.
But yeah I remember a discussion about this when Adam was killed by Pa Petrelli...
It was whether Healing powers should be a one time thing... i.e. Once cells are healed, there's no longer a need for the ability to be used so they go dormant until needed again.
Or
Having the Healing abilities in constant use... i.e. keeping the formerly damaged but now healed cells healed all the time with the ability never going dormant. In this case once the ability is interrupted, damage returns. It would seem Adam's ability worked like this. The thing is it appears he died from old age once the power was taken, not necessarily old injuries.
I think they have really ruined consistency with Claire's powers. She can't heal herself if something is lodged in her brain, yet it's her blood that supposedly heals as evidenced by HRG's revival. So why would something lodged in her brain prevent her from healing? Also how can she be immortal? You chop off her head and put it in a box is she supposed to grow a new head?
Will her head grow a new body? You have to wait to reattach them? What if they degenerate to bones in the mean time?
OK maybe I'm overthinking the last part, but I really feel that the Adam death was a HUGE mistake in logic. I am expecting a revision in a future episode where we find out Pa Petrelli has "people dissolving" powers and that's actually how he killed Adam, not through old age.
12-04-08, 09:17 AM
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What about all of Claire, Sylar, and Peter's former injuries, including major brain damage cause by impalement, returning from all the way back to Season 1? Based on what happened to Adam, maybe they all should have succumbed to former injuries and died once the Eclipse negated their powers.
You could make the argument that Claire's healing (which is what Sylar and Peter use) might work differently than Adam's did. Since Pa Patreli uses Adam's, his should work the same as Adam's.