riley_dude

Lets face it, like the other posts above mirror, the general public would rather see no brainer stuff and not intelligent writing.

Gizmo

Dancing with D List Stars!
CSI: Wal-Mart
Law & Order - People who eat bacon

innocentfreak

Nah I think next there is going to be a crossover show.

Law & Order: CSI. The show will be done more along the lines of Boston Legal and it will show them trying to actually try the people all the CSI shows catch. This will of course result in another spinoff similar to the The Office called Lawyers which will be the office politics of the lawyers who have to defend the people who constantly confess on CSI.

MechanicalMan

I thought Pushing Daisies was kind of interesting at first, but it quickly became a repetitive bore. Dirty Sexy Money sucks, and I've never seen Eli Stone.

Superman07

Do we know if PD (or any of these shows) will have the ability to wrap things up or are the episodes already in the can? I'd like to know how the Pie Makers story ends.

Jimmy James

Answering Superman07's question:

Superman07

Thanks for the info, but I'd say you can unspoiler that. I almost didn't read it for fear of spoiler.

Gizmo

Both DSM and Eli will give us a "conclusion". No fear

Jimmy James

I'm paranoid about leaving even a mild spoiler untagged after the stuff that went on in the final few threads for The Shield. I agree it's mild, but I assure you somebody out there would be offended.

big whoppa

Here's a quote from latest issue of TVGuide: "Don't give up hope yet for these floundering shows. While no more episodes have been ordered, show insiders are quick to point out they haven't been canceled and could be saved by last-minute miracles."

And then it mentions:

Pushing Daisies has 6 episodes left. Episodes are scheduled for 12/10 and 12/17 and maybe 1/7

Finale Scoop:

DSM has 6 shows left and 2 are scheduled for 12/10 and 12/17 and the rest may air in early 2009.

Finale scoop:

And Eli Stone has 7 shows left. Originals air 12/9 and 12/16 with repeats 12/23 and 12/30, and the rest in early 2009.

Finale Scoop:

Seantn

I read that the PD sets have already been dismantled. I'm thinking that's a good sign that it's cancelled.

Giantrobo

I'm curious...do you watch House MD?

rfduncan

The "economics of the business" are actually changing whilst the perspective of the executives in terms of ratings has not. Kind of like how the US economy went down the toilet because people we're accepting the actual order of things instead of what they thought they knew.

These "good old days" refer to what? When you only had ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS IF you're rabbit ears could manage to tune them all in? When there wasn't anything like video games or the internet to distract us? Face it with all the distractions available to the modern day TV viewer paired with a more diversified selection of programming, the reality is that no show could possibly pull the percentages from back then.

Right because there was "nothing else on" and "nothing else to do". Plus if you missed it, there was no way to catch that episode (no VCR, no internet episode viewing, etc.). It was be there or you have to wait for summer repeats.

If the networks realize the potential return on a show when they consider its budget, they would probably not invest in producing something like Dirty Sexy Money (expensive ensemble cast) or Pushing Daisies (expensive FX). So in that respect, I'm glad they're that stupid as these shows never would have gotten made. On the other, had they been more shrewd about their decisions in the current TV/social landscape we'd not be bemoaning their cancellation.

Draven

See, I hate reality TV and don't watch a single game show, and my DVR is filled with stuff...so much that it's hard to keep up. In fact, I wasn't watching the Pushing Daisies that had backed up because I had so many other things to watch and I thought the show was in a bit of a rut anyway. Once I heard it was going to get cancelled, I figured why bother.

I'm sorry to see a creative and visually interesting show like PD go, but I've got plenty of other shows to fill the time.

spainlinx0

I think it's the reality tv programming that is really short sighted. Let me ask you, after a reality show airs, then what? Are you going to buy the DVD of Let's Make a Deal? Are you going to sell episodes of that online?

Are you going to get people interested in shows like that 10 years down the road? Of course not. Yet people buy Seinfeld DVDs. Other shows go into syndication and make money that way. Who is going to Netflix Survivor?

They have gone for the short gain, but left themselves with no long-term return. I never watched Babylon 5 when it aired yet I bought all 5 seasons plus the movie box set because people talked about what a wonderful show it was. The only episodes of Farscape I watched on TV was the finale, and yet I bought 4 seasons of DVDs plus the movie.

When digital distribution becomes cheap and they want to sell shows, what are they going to sell? A show with a 5 year completed story, or 13 episodes and a cliffhanger?

rfduncan

Truth is people might. However, you need to separate about whom you're talking here. The networks are one thing. The production company is often another. The network only makes money with the advertising they receive for airing the show. All subsequent revenue (e.g. DVD sales, syndication money) go to the company that MADE the show. For instance, the WB makes no money on Buffy DVDs - that goes to FOX who produced the show.

So while I understand your argument, you need to understand that while NBC cancels Scrubs, ABC produces it and just moved it over to its network instead.

kvrdave

Formulaic and repetitive, but the writing and acting make it great. Just like CSI. Nothing wrong with a formula. I expect a lawyer show to be about legal cases.

clckworang

I think I own 3 seasons of Survivor, one season of Big Brother and one season of Amazing Race. As much as some reality show naysayers like to say it's only about the outcome and who wins, that's really not true (although I admit it largely has to do with the actual show). To me, that's like saying I'm not going to watch a movie about World War II because I know which side ended up winning. Survivor, for one, is a fun show that actually has a bit of a story wrapped into it, with real human interaction (yes, I realize it's highly edited).

JohnSlider

I think this thread is about to take a dark and ugly turn.

kvrdave

good one!

Match

ABC confirms 'Pushing Daisies,' 'Eli Stone,' 'Dirty Sexy Money' summer burnoff
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethe...r-burnoff.html

kstublen

I think someone already posted that above, but thanks.

I'm just waiting on news that Eli Stone Season 2 might come to DVD...

chris_sc77

I just discovered Pushing Daisies this past week and have to say ts one of the most impressive series I have seen on Network TV ever. Just a very easy to watch consistantly enjoyable and impressive funny smart sweet show.
Sad to see it canceled but I can't blame ABC. I have to blame the American audiences who would rather watch procedural crime shows and reality shows in which people wth no talent watch others with no talent.

slop101

Now they just need to announce a Kings summer burn-off.

Rex Fenestrarum

^^^ They already did.

The unaired episodes of Pushing Daisies are airing in the UK now... would anyone like to comment on them?