Heroes -- "Villains" -- 11.10.2008

GizmoDVD · 11-10-08, 10:56 AM

After being gone last week...it returns!

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Raul3 · 11-10-08, 02:06 PM

This episode is suppose to be good... compared with the rest of season at least.

DJariya · 11-10-08, 04:58 PM

Wow! Rogue didn't start this thread? That's a surprise.

I can't say I'm looking forward to this episode. Terminator and Prison Break have priority. But, I will watch it before the week is over.

pridesticks06 · 11-10-08, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Raul3

This episode is suppose to be good... compared with the rest of season at least.

I can only hope.

Rypro 525 · 11-10-08, 08:37 PM

like how they havea new title sequence for this episode

dpz301 · 11-10-08, 08:43 PM

i like how they are tying this episode back to previous episodes thus far.

Rypro 525 · 11-10-08, 08:45 PM

i forget, when did Arthur "die" in the first season? What episode?

dpz301 · 11-10-08, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rypro 525

i forget, when did Arthur "die" in the first season? What episode?

i don't really remember them showing it, did they?

Sanjuro37 · 11-10-08, 08:50 PM

This might be the single worst episode of the entire series. The did-you-see-what-I-did-there-o-meter is so far in the red that the gauge broke. And it's completely rewriting the early episodes of season 1.

Jimmy James · 11-10-08, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanjuro37

This might be the single worst episode of the entire series. The did-you-see-what-I-did-there-o-meter is so far in the red that the gauge broke. And it's completely rewriting the early episodes of season 1.

I agree. Revisiting the past to STRENGTHEN the traits of your characters is a good thing if you can do it well.

Revisiting the past to CONTRADICT the traits (particularly the beloved ones) of your characters is a very bad idea. This Sylar shit is the worst bit of revisionism since Greedo shooting first.

dpz301 · 11-10-08, 09:00 PM

well that's certainly an interesting why to end an episode.

PopcornTreeCt · 11-10-08, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanjuro37

This might be the single worst episode of the entire series. The did-you-see-what-I-did-there-o-meter is so far in the red that the gauge broke. And it's completely rewriting the early episodes of season 1.

I totally agree. It's one thing to make the new season shitty. It's a whole 'nother thing to pull a George Lucas and make the first season shitty.

That was so bad. It's the only episode that after watching it, my head hurts trying to figure it out.

Goldberg74 · 11-10-08, 09:08 PM

I liked it. I thought it was a nice departure from the regualr crap we've been getting.

I liked the ways that they tied into previous episodes, even if they did rewrite a few things (i.e. I thought Arthur killed himself, but I'll take the "heart attack").

Meredith and Flint as bro/sis is kinda funny... it fits, but it's kinda funny.

Poor "African Issac".

Patman · 11-10-08, 09:44 PM

I am ambivalent, though it was nice to see Kristen Bell get many scenes in this one, though I just don't know if I buy Elle being stable enough to pull off the "seduction" scenes.

JuryDuty · 11-10-08, 09:57 PM

I agree with Patman--ambivalence. An entire show largely constructed around "minor" characters, only to show how they interacted behind-the-scenes in season one, when as a viewer, I really don't care.

I did like being able to see Kristen Bell act finally, and I enjoyed a few of the cute tie-ins to season one (like when HRG gets in the cab with Mohinder), but geez, I barely remember the details of the season.

I felt like this season was getting better...let's hope they get back to that next week...

Josh-da-man · 11-10-08, 10:02 PM

I think I'm still trying to wrap my head around all of the retcons and continuity gaffes.

I'm assuming that this didn't all take place during "real time." Arthur Petrelli had already died before the first episode, but we see Claire running into the burning train from early in season one.

And the reference to an "invisible man" would put Meredith's storyline here well before Noah shot Claude. Which doesn't really make a lot of sense unless Flint was held at the company for a very long time (while Claude was still active to early season one, to when Claire ran into the burning train).

I don't think I really buy their attempt to make Sylar sympathetic by showing a suicide attempt, and then trying to explain away his serial killings as the influence of The Company.

And, looking back, I'm not sure why it was so important to keep Claire hidden from The Company. Noah had said something about how they would experiment on her and perform vivisection on her, but since they had Adam locked away at the time she seems kind of redundant to their needs.

musick · 11-10-08, 10:42 PM

I liked last weeks episode better.... exactly

dolphinboy · 11-10-08, 11:19 PM

There were times this week where I felt genuinely entertained for the first time in a long while, but that's the best that I can say about it.

It still feels crowded, disjointed, and, as mentioned now they screwed around with season 1 as well...so I'll join the ambivalent club.

It's not a compliment when you're watching a show only because there's nothing else on, nothing else to do, and you're still feeling enough of an attachment to certain people and certain stories that you just can't quite give it up yet.

Mercury&Solace · 11-11-08, 12:09 AM

Wow, the show is already over, over here on the west coast and this thread only has 17 replies? Man, this show has really fallen off....

As for the episode, another yawner.

Giantrobo · 11-11-08, 12:10 AM

It was a good episode. I guess I'm not loyal to S1 and S2 like some of you so seeing the connecting of the seasons like this was fine with me.

mnementh · 11-11-08, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Goldberg74

Poor "African Issac".

I'm surprised he didn't see it coming.

Michael Corvin · 11-11-08, 06:28 AM

Decent episode. The only thing that really bothered me was Linderman. He was built up as the ultimate bad-ass in season one and here we find out (in the first five minutes no less), that he was a pussy behind the scenes and afraid of Nathan. Oooookay.

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Originally Posted by Goldberg74

I liked the ways that they tied into previous episodes, even if they did rewrite a few things (i.e. I thought Arthur killed himself, but I'll take the "heart attack").(

I'm pretty sure it has always been a heart attack.

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Originally Posted by mnementh

I'm surprised he didn't see it coming.

Who said he didn't?

Giantrobo · 11-11-08, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin

Decent episode. The only thing that really bothered me was Linderman. He was built up as the ultimate bad-ass in season one and here we find out (in the first five minutes no less), that he was a pussy behind the scenes and afraid of Nathan. Oooookay.

I think my time line is off after all the, "one year ago", lines on the screen but I just figured Linderman got brave after what he thought was Pa Patrelli's death.

I love how Ma Patrelli took out Pa. Even if it didn't quite work out the way she planned it was still slick.

Palaver · 11-11-08, 07:06 AM

Well, I somewhat enjoyed this one. If only because it reminded me how much I enjoyed the first season. Peter was a nurse?! Characters used to have day jobs?!?

Ahh the good ol' days.

majorjoe23 · 11-11-08, 07:12 AM

So wait, was Pa Patrelli's original power the mental push thing, or stealing people's powers?

And I could have sworn they said he killed himself too.

From the Heroswiki:

Petrelli is said to have died six months before Volume One: Genesis begins. His death is explained by his wife, Angela Petrelli, to have been a suicide brought about by delusions of grandeur and clinical depression. However, another story was given that Arthur died of a heart attack.

11-10-08, 10:56 AM	#1
GizmoDVD DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Southern CA Posts: 27,092	Heroes -- "Villains" -- 11.10.2008 After being gone last week...it returns! Spoiler: To prepare for the confrontation ahead, Hiro follows respected businessman, husband and father Arthur Petrelli (guest star Robert Forster) in the days before he "died" -- to discover what drove him to create rival company Pinehearst and strike at Angela. Later, a moment unfolds where Sylar, horrified and guilt-ridden, might have stopped his murderous pursuit of abilities -- that is, if H.R.G. and Elle (guest star Kristen Bell) had swayed from their monstrous assignment. Finally, under the wing of Company man Thompson (guest star Eric Roberts), agent-in-training Meredith (guest star Jessalyn Gelsig) watches her new life go up in smoke, following the arrival of her hot-headed brother. Greg Grunberg, James Kyson Lee, Ali Larter, Hayden Panettiere, Adrian Pasdar, Sendhil Ramamurthy, Dania Ramirez and Milo Ventimiglia also star. Jimmy Jean-Louis, Malcolm McDowell, Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine, Ron Perkins, Blake Shields, and Jeff Staron guest star. Last edited by GizmoDVD; 11-10-08 at 10:59 AM.

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Rypro 525 DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: a frikin hellhole Posts: 25,769	i forget, when did Arthur "die" in the first season? What episode? __________________ Follow me: http://twitter.com/TheChewDefense

11-10-08, 09:00 PM	#11
dpz301 DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: maryland Posts: 1,859	well that's certainly an interesting why to end an episode. __________________ - zack the collection \| 500th DVD - Your Host, Walt Disney - Walt Disney Treasures

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Raul3 DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Picture a cup in the middle of the sea Posts: 6,268	This episode is suppose to be good... compared with the rest of season at least.

11-10-08, 04:58 PM	#3
DJariya DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: La Palma, CA Posts: 21,868	Wow! Rogue didn't start this thread? That's a surprise. I can't say I'm looking forward to this episode. Terminator and Prison Break have priority. But, I will watch it before the week is over.

11-10-08, 08:50 PM	#9
Sanjuro37 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 345	This might be the single worst episode of the entire series. The did-you-see-what-I-did-there-o-meter is so far in the red that the gauge broke. And it's completely rewriting the early episodes of season 1.

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Goldberg74 DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 14,102	I liked it. I thought it was a nice departure from the regualr crap we've been getting. I liked the ways that they tied into previous episodes, even if they did rewrite a few things (i.e. I thought Arthur killed himself, but I'll take the "heart attack"). Meredith and Flint as bro/sis is kinda funny... it fits, but it's kinda funny. Poor "African Issac". __________________ “I was unfortunately misinformed by my own stupidity." Bill Goldberg, Celebrity Apprentice "My apologies to this thread for assuming you all had eyes, ears, and a decent memory." - NiCK Crush

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Patman DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Duluth, GA, USA Posts: 37,232	I am ambivalent, though it was nice to see Kristen Bell get many scenes in this one, though I just don't know if I buy Elle being stable enough to pull off the "seduction" scenes. __________________ PatCave; HT; DVDs; Dragon*Con 2009 According to DGibFen, I'm a "freaking genius." "Jee-sus, it's like Iwo Jima out there." - Roger Sterling

11-10-08, 09:57 PM	#15
JuryDuty DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Lost in Texas Posts: 5,027	I agree with Patman--ambivalence. An entire show largely constructed around "minor" characters, only to show how they interacted behind-the-scenes in season one, when as a viewer, I really don't care. I did like being able to see Kristen Bell act finally, and I enjoyed a few of the cute tie-ins to season one (like when HRG gets in the cab with Mohinder), but geez, I barely remember the details of the season. I felt like this season was getting better...let's hope they get back to that next week... __________________ --JuryDuty Tumbling with JuryDuty. Proud winner of DVDTalk Survivor Game: Round 4

11-10-08, 10:02 PM	#16
Josh-da-man DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Bible Belt Posts: 14,388	I think I'm still trying to wrap my head around all of the retcons and continuity gaffes. I'm assuming that this didn't all take place during "real time." Arthur Petrelli had already died before the first episode, but we see Claire running into the burning train from early in season one. And the reference to an "invisible man" would put Meredith's storyline here well before Noah shot Claude. Which doesn't really make a lot of sense unless Flint was held at the company for a very long time (while Claude was still active to early season one, to when Claire ran into the burning train). I don't think I really buy their attempt to make Sylar sympathetic by showing a suicide attempt, and then trying to explain away his serial killings as the influence of The Company. And, looking back, I'm not sure why it was so important to keep Claire hidden from The Company. Noah had said something about how they would experiment on her and perform vivisection on her, but since they had Adam locked away at the time she seems kind of redundant to their needs. __________________ "Jesus rose from the dead. He's the original zombie -- except you eat his body." -- Stephen Colbert

11-10-08, 10:42 PM	#17
musick DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 2,001	I liked last weeks episode better.... exactly

11-10-08, 11:19 PM	#18
dolphinboy DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: AZ Posts: 6,617	There were times this week where I felt genuinely entertained for the first time in a long while, but that's the best that I can say about it. It still feels crowded, disjointed, and, as mentioned now they screwed around with season 1 as well...so I'll join the ambivalent club. It's not a compliment when you're watching a show only because there's nothing else on, nothing else to do, and you're still feeling enough of an attachment to certain people and certain stories that you just can't quite give it up yet. __________________ My bds and dvds 5 line max signatures allowed "At first, I did not know it was your diary. I thought it was a very sad, handwritten book."

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Giantrobo DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: TORRANCE, CA Posts: 46,763	It was a good episode. I guess I'm not loyal to S1 and S2 like some of you so seeing the connecting of the seasons like this was fine with me. __________________ XBOX Gamertag: Giantrobo On my 4th 360 as of 3.26.10

11-11-08, 07:06 AM	#24
Palaver DVD Talk Ultimate Edition Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 4,262	Well, I somewhat enjoyed this one. If only because it reminded me how much I enjoyed the first season. Peter was a nurse?! Characters used to have day jobs?!? Ahh the good ol' days. __________________ Genius is childhood recalled at will.

11-11-08, 07:12 AM	#25
majorjoe23 DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Death Moans, Iowa Posts: 7,205	So wait, was Pa Patrelli's original power the mental push thing, or stealing people's powers? And I could have sworn they said he killed himself too. From the Heroswiki: Petrelli is said to have died six months before Volume One: Genesis begins. His death is explained by his wife, Angela Petrelli, to have been a suicide brought about by delusions of grandeur and clinical depression. However, another story was given that Arthur died of a heart attack.