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The Shield -- "Moving Day" -- 10/28/08

Old 10-29-08, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by stingermck
Im thinking the son will kill his mother, and that will send Dutch over the edge, and he will finally kill someone. Not just kittens
That's what I was thinking too. Or he has to kill the boy just before he kills his mother. Or Billings does.
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I CAN'T WRAP MY MIND AROUND IT! I'M GOING TO BE A BASKET CASE BEFORE THIS ENDS!
Old 10-29-08, 08:05 AM
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I hope the Danny storyline isn't over.
Old 10-29-08, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisih8u
I hope the Danny storyline isn't over.
It's odd (to me, at least) that her disappearance hasn't at least been mentioned in the last two episodes. But, I think only two days have passed since she left, and she could have already been off those days, so no one has noticed yet.

Like chrisih8u, I hope they resolve it in some fashion.
Old 10-29-08, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by abanytime
It's odd (to me, at least) that her disappearance hasn't at least been mentioned in the last two episodes. But, I think only two days have passed since she left, and she could have already been off those days, so no one has noticed yet.

Like chrisih8u, I hope they resolve it in some fashion.
Speaking of which time has been going pretty quickly since Lem's death. Wasnt last season just over the course of a few weeks?
Old 10-29-08, 08:51 AM
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I was hoping Billings would give it back to Dutch, all his "it's not right" talk while he's sweet-talking the kid's mom just to get a little more insight.

I dislike Claudette more and more each week, the way she's using her being captain to play our her revenge fantasies ("I'm dismantling the Strike Team!").

Ronnie's lies and half-truths were masterful.
Old 10-29-08, 08:53 AM
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Not sure what Vic was thinking at the hospital.

Was he just gonna blast them all to hell in the middle of a busy hospital parking lot?

Vic is smarter than that.

But at this point, I guess he's not thinking very clearly.
Old 10-29-08, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Ackerly
Not sure what Vic was thinking at the hospital.

Was he just gonna blast them all to hell in the middle of a busy hospital parking lot?

Vic is smarter than that.

But at this point, I guess he's not thinking very clearly.
i was wondering that too. Maybe he was going to kidnap them and take them somewhere else?
Old 10-29-08, 09:09 AM
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I'm guessing that the series will end with ... a fade to black.
Old 10-29-08, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MrE
I'm guessing that the series will end with ... a fade to black.
Don't stop believing!
Old 10-29-08, 09:37 AM
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Shawn Ryan promised in an interview in Entertainment Weekly that he WOULDN'T pull a Sopranos style ending.

Thos.
Old 10-29-08, 09:56 AM
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Here are some quotes from the interview. Doesn't really spoil anything but people wanting to go into the finale totally cold should avoid.


Spoiler:
Shawn Ryan screens 'The Shield' finale
The screening lights come up.

The room is silent.

Somebody says "wow."

FX just screened the final two episodes of "The Shield" for a small group of L.A. reporters. The network is not sending out screeners to critics. The final episodes are riveting and shocking. The cast's early boasting at TCA, followed by my early gushing about the first half of the season, followed by critic and fan raves about the same, have all led to a finale that's worth the build up.

Without revealing any significant spoilers, below are some points of praise and postscreening quotes from creator Shawn Ryan. If you prefer to watch the finale totally cold, stop reading.

-- Michael Chiklis' performance in the final two episodes is fantastic. Ryan is being accurate when he says this: “There are good actors that after a few years that you realize are one-trick ponies. I have sat in editing room and I've watching Michael so much over the years and for him to come up with four, five, six sides of Vic in the last two episodes that I’ve never seen before is really amazing.”

-- There is a dramatic confession scene that is probably the best in the series.

-- Ryan’s philosophy about finales in general: “Series finales have that responsibility to leave you feeling good about entire series. You want to feel like the viewer closes the book satisfied. And if you strike out on the finale it skews how you feel about the entire series. ... A lot try to chew too much ... ‘Seinfeld’ ... and ‘Sopranos.’ I thought the ‘Angel’ finale ended well, and ‘Six Feet Under’ ended well.”

-- The final image of "The Shield" is one you will never see coming, yet is wholly earned by episodes leading up to the finale. Ryan says he’s planned this moment for about three or four years. He also described marathon meetings with writers to help generate ideas for the fates of the characters. “I was always suspicious about any ideas that came to us in the first hour or two," he says. "My feeling is if it came to us quickly that it would come to others as well. So we'd knock our heads together for five hours more."

-- Does the ending feel like a conclusion? Yes. Does it tie everything up? No, but even story threads that don’t have a bow on top contain strong hints about what happens next. “I really love how we were able to end it,” Ryan says. “It think we were true to the show to very end. Obviously the big stories end in big ways. At the very least we gave fans and ending they can argue about. But it feels very conclusive to me and that was very important.”

-- How will fans react? "I don't know," Ryan says. "A lot of times I'm right about what fans will think -- because I'm a fan of the show -- other times I'm dead wrong." (For the record, I don't know either. Some fans probably will not like it. But it's the price Ryan pays for being both decisive and not entirely predictable.)

-- The last episode we watched was roughly 75 minutes. It will air as a 90-minute finale.

-- Ryan does something different during the finale's closing credits. Don’t worry, no extended blank screen.

I’ll post more from the interview after the finale airs.
Old 10-29-08, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by slop101
Cops pulling up without Vic seeing them first was a bit of bullshit, but otherwise a great tense episode.
I was so focused on what was happening that a squad car could have driven in my living room and a cop could have shat on my head and I wouldn't have noticed; I'll give Vic a pass.
Old 10-29-08, 11:43 AM
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The Shield has always been about Vic getting away with his shenanigans, but not without collateral damage. If the finale is to remain true to the show, it has to end with Vic getting "away", but fucking up everything around him.
Old 10-29-08, 12:20 PM
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Is it next Tuesday yet?
Old 10-29-08, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Ackerly
Not sure what Vic was thinking at the hospital.

Was he just gonna blast them all to hell in the middle of a busy hospital parking lot?

Vic is smarter than that.

But at this point, I guess he's not thinking very clearly.
This is two weeks in a row where I noticed Vic acting unlike his usual self from previous seasons.

1.) Vic would have made sure that the guy who tried to kill Ronnie walked for the time being, met up with him later, and then put a gun in his mouth to find out what happened. Vic wouldn't have put him on the spot in front of Claudette, when he knows Shane could have possibly been behind it. This led to the shit storm that is currently the main focus of the show.

2.) If he did kill Shane and Mara last night, everyone was probably going to suspect him anyway. The fact that it was caught on video shows Vic is losing his edge.
Old 10-29-08, 02:30 PM
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I just checked my calendar, devilshalo. It wont be Tuesday 'til six more days.
Old 10-29-08, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DthRdrX
This is two weeks in a row where I noticed Vic acting unlike his usual self from previous seasons.
Nothing in Vic's life is like what it was before so I'll give ham a pass for not being himself
Old 10-29-08, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DthRdrX
This is two weeks in a row where I noticed Vic acting unlike his usual self from previous seasons.

1.) Vic would have made sure that the guy who tried to kill Ronnie walked for the time being, met up with him later, and then put a gun in his mouth to find out what happened. Vic wouldn't have put him on the spot in front of Claudette, when he knows Shane could have possibly been behind it. This led to the shit storm that is currently the main focus of the show.

2.) If he did kill Shane and Mara last night, everyone was probably going to suspect him anyway. The fact that it was caught on video shows Vic is losing his edge.
1. No one in the barn from Claudette down to Tina, would let a suspect that tried to kill a cop walk. Vic had no reason to automatically suspect Shane without finding out what the perp was up to. Shane drew away as much suspicion by using someone that had a motive to kill Ronnie. The only way Vic would have known for sure was that Ronnie would have said something to him before he went to Dutch and Claudette with his plan.

2. I doubt Vic would have killed them on the spot. Instead, possibly forcing Shane and Mara to drive somewhere to take care of business.

Vic isn't acting as he should because he doesn't have as much control now that he doesn't have a badge to protect him. This season, time has been working against him causing a lot of things to spiral out of control.
Old 10-29-08, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DthRdrX
This is two weeks in a row where I noticed Vic acting unlike his usual self from previous seasons.
In previous seasons, he also would have porked Blondie by now. Vic's losing it!
Old 10-29-08, 06:10 PM
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So was it even explained how Vic was not arrested by the cops? All of a sudden, next segment they were way past that part.
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Man thes last 2 episodes have been real good. I wonder if they started the season lame to unleash this orgasum towards the end.
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Can you get a permit to carry a concealed weapon in California? What if you're former law enforcement? Is it possible he used his status as not exactly a cop but the paperwork not quite completed (it was sent to his home) to get out of it?

Hard to say...
Old 10-29-08, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by devilshalo
1. No one in the barn from Claudette down to Tina, would let a suspect that tried to kill a cop walk. Vic had no reason to automatically suspect Shane without finding out what the perp was up to. Shane drew away as much suspicion by using someone that had a motive to kill Ronnie. The only way Vic would have known for sure was that Ronnie would have said something to him before he went to Dutch and Claudette with his plan.

2. I doubt Vic would have killed them on the spot. Instead, possibly forcing Shane and Mara to drive somewhere to take care of business.

Vic isn't acting as he should because he doesn't have as much control now that he doesn't have a badge to protect him. This season, time has been working against him causing a lot of things to spiral out of control.

1.) Not true at all. They, the police, had no choice but to let him walk. They had NOTHING to hold him on, and that is what Vic and Shane were pointing out to Claudette and Dutch. No gun, no witnesses. A lawyer probably would have been there soon as well. It was Vic's clever idea that started the whole mess.

Secondly, Vic and Ronnie both knew, and previously discussed, Shane being in on the hit right at the start of the episode. Vic knew there was a possibility of Shane being guilty as sin. Look at the looks they give Shane throughout the entire ordeal. They certainly knew that Shane would flip on them in a second if he had to. They should have shut their mouth and flipped that guy on the street.

Remember what Vic said to Hyatt last season?

"First we find out the truth, then we decide what to do."

Should have followed his own advice, which is what he normally would do. If Shane didn;t run out of the barn, they'd all probably be locked up now.

2.) The hospital scene is far removed from just being out of control. It's borderline insane to pull a gun on Shane and his family in a hospital parking lot. I don't buy that he was going to escort them somewhere else either. He was standing still aiming the gun from quite a distance in the parking lot! He should have just followed them like he did with Emolia when Kavanaugh stashed her away.

BTW, other things I noticed during the episodes.

Julian - Was back to writing notes during the Claudette/Ronnie scene. Interesting what he also learned while on the strike team. He traced Shane through that car thief girl that keeps appearing. Someone on another board mentioned that Julian also had bottles of pills of some sort during the scene where he was cleaning out his locker.

Tina - Possible that she was bringing Ronnie information behind Julian's back? She hates Julian, and has had an eye on Ronnie since season five.

Vic - They just said he was detained by the police. Shane and company must have bolted out of there asap. It doesn't surprise me that Vic was running around free later that night.

Dirt of the Strike Team - I thought of another crime that Shane could use against Vic if he is caught. He could show the location where Guardo was tortured, killed and later buried. He could probably even show the place where Lem burned the money train cash and the dead body they needed to get rid of during season three.
Old 10-29-08, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Baby James
In previous seasons, he also would have porked Blondie by now. Vic's losing it!

When he started yelling at her I figured it was going to lead to some action.
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Originally Posted by DthRdrX
Dirt of the Strike Team - I thought of another crime that Shane could use against Vic if he is caught. He could show the location where Guardo was tortured, killed and later buried. He could probably even show the place where Lem burned the money train cash and the dead body they needed to get rid of during season three.
The problem isn't the stuff Shane could say happened. It's that his credibility is trashed so they need some evidence to corroborate it. If Vic's DNA were found on Guardo, sure. If not, I think Vic easily just claims it was something Shane did and is trying to pin on him.

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