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Old 01-24-08, 12:08 PM
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The fire just destroys the guys computer is all, it didn’t put an end to the robot apocalypse. The fact is Sarah and John are still humans and it’s not quite as easy for them to kill indiscriminately. They are not Terminators, which is why they always show the difference between the 2. Sarah couldn’t kill Enrique either, but Cameron had not problem. They also know that killing someone doesn’t really mean ending the apocalypse anyways, because it hasn’t helped yet.
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If the show ran on F/X like The Shield instead of broadcast FOX the writers probably would have had Sarah kill the cell-phone sales guy. But they are obviously compormising for their audience which (despite the viewer discretion warning) wants to feel warm and fuzzy about the good guys and killing someone who hasn't done something bad yet is way too grey to keep the warm and fuzzies around.
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If you're buying into the warm and fuzzy reasoning behind the fire, then why even have the fire? It does nothing, nothing at all. IMO it's decisions like those that take it out of the original tone of the movies and ruin the show.
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Its not any different then what happened in T2...
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Originally Posted by Chew
I just rewatched the first movie this weekend and plan on rewatching the second one soon: did we ever get a good reason as to why the future is suddenly an "assembly line" of time travelers coming back to the present?

Reese stated the time machine was destroyed by the resistance just after he went through. Apparently, Skynet built more?
The reason is that they are now in an alternate "How To Make More Sequels In Order To Make More Money" Timeline.

(That explanation works for me!)
Old 01-25-08, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by chanster
I really wanted one of those 40 watt Plasma rifles! It was nice to see a few of them in the dream sequence with the terminators!
PHASE plasma rifle

And hey, only what you see here pal.
Old 01-25-08, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jah-Wren Ryel
If the show ran on F/X like The Shield instead of broadcast FOX the writers probably would have had Sarah kill the cell-phone sales guy. But they are obviously compormising for their audience which (despite the viewer discretion warning) wants to feel warm and fuzzy about the good guys and killing someone who hasn't done something bad yet is way too grey to keep the warm and fuzzies around.
What a silly comment. They had a teenage girl jump of a fucking building, killing herself, and show her dead with blood oozing from her head.

"Warm and fuzzy" enough for you?
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
What a silly comment. They had a teenage girl jump of a fucking building, killing herself, and show her dead with blood oozing from her head.

"Warm and fuzzy" enough for you?
Gruesome for TV, yes. Stupid and unexplained subplot, also yes.
Old 01-25-08, 11:56 AM
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Dreadful episode from start to finish. My main complaints have already been raised:

* Cameron in high school acting completely different than she did in the pilot. Not to mention that she looks ten years older than any of the other students.
* The sub-plot with the splatter girl made no sense whatsoever. I'm guessing there was a scene or two deleted here.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
* Cameron in high school acting completely different than she did in the pilot. Not to mention that she looks ten years older than any of the other students.
Ten years older? You mean ten years HOTTER!!!!
Old 01-25-08, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Groucho
Dreadful episode from start to finish. My main complaints have already been raised:

* Cameron in high school acting completely different than she did in the pilot. Not to mention that she looks ten years older than any of the other students.
* The sub-plot with the splatter girl made no sense whatsoever. I'm guessing there was a scene or two deleted here.
These were the two main complaints I had about it. Why would they have her character act completely different in school, from a smart active girl to, well, acting like a robot?

I loved the pilot but didn't like this episode.
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Listen folks, its been said before..but Cameron's "acting differently" was during the pilot! Ok, it happens all the time - the pilot's made, input by the studio executives is done, and then the show is launched.

Obviously the show was told to make Cameron more robotic for a purpose..the purpose will probably be explained..I'm guessing they didn't want to start the show with Cameron acting too "human" so they can show the gradual development (i.e. somewhat along the lines of data) and save some of the interesting twists on the Terminator mythology gradually then all up front.
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Originally Posted by chanster
Listen folks, its been said before..but Cameron's "acting differently" was during the pilot! Ok, it happens all the time - the pilot's made, input by the studio executives is done, and then the show is launched.

Obviously the show was told to make Cameron more robotic for a purpose..the purpose will probably be explained..I'm guessing they didn't want to start the show with Cameron acting too "human" so they can show the gradual development (i.e. somewhat along the lines of data) and save some of the interesting twists on the Terminator mythology gradually then all up front.


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Originally Posted by chanster
Listen folks, its been said before..but Cameron's "acting differently" was during the pilot! Ok, it happens all the time - the pilot's made, input by the studio executives is done, and then the show is launched.
Yeah, let's please get over this.

My favorite recent example of this was in the pilot of the spy series "Burn Notice", where Gabrielle Anwar had a ridiculously overblown Irish accept. In the second episode, her accent is gone. "What happened to your accent?" asks her co-star. She replies something like "if I'm going to live in Miami, I'll have to start talking like the locals."

What?!?! Well, at least the addressed it. "Sarah Conner" just seems to have hoped that nobody would notice/care.
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
What a silly comment. They had a teenage girl jump of a fucking building, killing herself, and show her dead with blood oozing from her head.

"Warm and fuzzy" enough for you?
What a silly comment. The audience did not expect to fucking identify with the fucking girl jumping off the fucking building.

The audience does expect to identify with the protagonists. Identifying with a grey protagonist is not warm and fuzzy enough for broadcast primetime.
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If burning down the guy's house with his computer had worked, wouldn't Cameron have disappeared? They should know it didn't help at all. Then again, after they blew up Cyberdyne in T2, they should've wondered why Arnold was still standing there. I suppose that's just rehashing old time travel arguments.
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Originally Posted by Rockmjd23
If burning down the guy's house with his computer had worked, wouldn't Cameron have disappeared? They should know it didn't help at all. Then again, after they blew up Cyberdyne in T2, they should've wondered why Arnold was still standing there. I suppose that's just rehashing old time travel arguments.
Yeah, so does John Connor's existence. Kyle Reese wouldn’t have been sent back from the future.

I choose to ignore the realistic and enjoy the show.
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I'm trying but there's not a whole lot to enjoy so far.
Old 01-26-08, 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Rockmjd23
If burning down the guy's house with his computer had worked, wouldn't Cameron have disappeared?
Since time travel doesn't actually exist, there are no rules of casuality to be violated. Or, in other words, one interpretation is as good as another.
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Originally Posted by Jah-Wren Ryel
Since time travel doesn't actually exist
omg you're right!
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Originally Posted by Rockmjd23
If burning down the guy's house with his computer had worked, wouldn't Cameron have disappeared? They should know it didn't help at all. Then again, after they blew up Cyberdyne in T2, they should've wondered why Arnold was still standing there. I suppose that's just rehashing old time travel arguments.
It appears the Terminator saga doesn't follow the Back to the Future rules of time travel. No disappearing...just being stuck in the present.

Which actually makes more sense that phasing out.....to me anyway.
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Am I the only one who liked the fact that they only showed us glimpses of why that girl killed herself? It made perfect sense to me because it mirrored the same confused ignorance that John and Cam felt being new to the school. The terminator stuff is central to the show and the main characters, so we get the exposition there. The school is peripheral and the characters only dip in and out of it, just like our awareness of the whole school and what goes on there.
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Originally Posted by meshershark
Am I the only one who liked the fact that they only showed us glimpses of why that girl killed herself? It made perfect sense to me because it mirrored the same confused ignorance that John and Cam felt being new to the school. The terminator stuff is central to the show and the main characters, so we get the exposition there. The school is peripheral and the characters only dip in and out of it, just like our awareness of the whole school and what goes on there.
That part of the show had a real Incredible Hulk (70's) feeling to me.
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Originally Posted by meshershark
Am I the only one who liked the fact that they only showed us glimpses of why that girl killed herself? It made perfect sense to me because it mirrored the same confused ignorance that John and Cam felt being new to the school. The terminator stuff is central to the show and the main characters, so we get the exposition there. The school is peripheral and the characters only dip in and out of it, just like our awareness of the whole school and what goes on there.
I also thought that was well done.
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Originally Posted by Groucho
* The sub-plot with the splatter girl made no sense whatsoever. I'm guessing there was a scene or two deleted here.
I'm guessing (hoping) that whole sub-plot isn't finished. I'll even venture to say the other blond girl that he has run into from time to time at school will also be involved with the teacher, and John will do what he can to save her.


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